What motivates Islamist jihadist's violence at the beginning of Ramadan?

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HeraldtheNews

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What really motivates Islamic violence?

[This was written in my blog after the France attacks in 2015]

There's peaceful Muslims of course, but, for the most part, Islam is a confused religion without a purpose or message or direction, obsessed with meaningless religious legalism, oppressing women, and with destroying anyone who opposes them, even their own people or themselves, like the devil is obsessed with delusional destruction. Even ancient Judaism's religious laws pointed to fulfillment of the law in the Jewish Messiah, and the law of grace, love and mercy. If Islam and the Q'uran is followed to it's logical conclusion, and God knows they take it seriously, the logical result is idolatry, spiritual blindness, legalistic bondage, and violence. The attackers in France were not terrorists, they were acting as true Muslims and Islamic jihad is actively supported by tens of millions of Muslims and tens of millions more through their silence, because it's at the core of their religion.

Legalism dies hard. Even after the Apostle Paul was converted from religious legalism through a dramatic encounter with Christ after His ressurrection, and worked tirelessly as one of the greatest heroes of Christianity to teach that Jesus came to save us from this, 2000 years later, even many of us as Christians are still obsessed with legalism including even Pentecostals, Baptists and Catholics, and even state justice is obsessed with legalistic atonement of sins. That's why knowing Jesus has to begin with the free-gift of Christmas...
Being born into Heaven (wedding);
And a faithful life (marriage);
This is true freedom--
Freedom from religion...
 

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Peaceful Muslims, are Muslims who do not fully adhere to the Quran and Hadith. They either put western values or their own sense of morality above what is actually taught in the Islamic texts. Then there are those who profess to be Muslim but are somewhat ignorant to all it teaches. The moment that they decide to fully adhere and submit themselves to Islam, is the moment they become radicalized. This potentially makes ALL Muslims ticking time bombs.

For instance, if you (being a Christian) were to ask a Muslim if they have (or can have) a Christian as a friend, they almost uniformly will tell you “yes”. However, in Quran 5:51 it clearly states… “O you who believe! Do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.”

This is just a typical example of one of the blatant disregards that most professing Muslims have towards what is actually taught in Islam. You can imagine then, when they actually decide to not only adhere to that verse, but the entirety of the Islamic faith, including numerous violent commands. Here are just a few…

Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection…Quran 9:29

Fighting is made mandatory for you, but you dislike it. You may not like something which, in fact, is for your good and something that you may love, in fact, may be evil. God knows, but you do not know…Quran 2:216

O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who are the Al-Muttaqun (the pious)…Quran 9:123

Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward…Quran 4:74

Verily, Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties; for the price that theirs shall be the Paradise. They fight in Allah's Cause, so they kill (others) and are killed. It is a promise in truth which is binding on Him in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel) and the Quran. And who is truer to his covenant than Allah? Then rejoice in the bargain which you have concluded. That is the supreme success…Quran 9:111

I believe that the problem is not “radical” Islam, rather it’s Islam itself.
 
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What really motivates Islamic violence?
The koran which was written by satan thru mohamid

Let me know if you have any other questions now that this one has been covered.
 

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Whats ironic is they kill Christians and we know our death brings us to our loving savior, so by them they are only bringing us to Heaven faster.

Chew on that you extremist!
 

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Peaceful Muslims, are Muslims who do not fully adhere to the Quran and Hadith. They either put western values or their own sense of morality above what is actually taught in the Islamic texts. Then there are those who profess to be Muslim but are somewhat ignorant to all it teaches. The moment that they decide to fully adhere and submit themselves to Islam, is the moment they become radicalized. This potentially makes ALL Muslims ticking time bombs.

For instance, if you (being a Christian) were to ask a Muslim if they have (or can have) a Christian as a friend, they almost uniformly will tell you “yes”. However, in Quran 5:51 it clearly states… “O you who believe! Do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.”

This is just a typical example of one of the blatant disregards that most professing Muslims have towards what is actually taught in Islam. You can imagine then, when they actually decide to not only adhere to that verse, but the entirety of the Islamic faith, including numerous violent commands. Here are just a few…

Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection…Quran 9:29

Fighting is made mandatory for you, but you dislike it. You may not like something which, in fact, is for your good and something that you may love, in fact, may be evil. God knows, but you do not know…Quran 2:216

O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who are the Al-Muttaqun (the pious)…Quran 9:123

Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward…Quran 4:74

Verily, Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties; for the price that theirs shall be the Paradise. They fight in Allah's Cause, so they kill (others) and are killed. It is a promise in truth which is binding on Him in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel) and the Quran. And who is truer to his covenant than Allah? Then rejoice in the bargain which you have concluded. That is the supreme success…Quran 9:111

I believe that the problem is not “radical” Islam, rather it’s Islam itself.

And for anyone who says they need the context of the verse before they can believe these claims, the chapters are right there^ : p I can guarantee the entire chapter will go on like that for most of them : p


Whats ironic is they kill Christians and we know our death brings us to our loving savior, so by them they are only bringing us to Heaven faster.

Chew on that you extremist!
Thats true, though the people committing these acts will find condemnation if they dont come to Him and repent.

And yeah, most people will claim that its just the harsh environment of the middle east that causes these people to commit these acts, Ive even heard that people are claiming its all due to global warming. But all of these things are a part of Islam, and its not even hard to find it yourself. You just have to be willing to read the quran and hadiths.
In fact, from my experience, literally every time Ive been given a peaceful verse in the quran, I looked it up, and quickly found violent verses about dominating the unbeliever. I havent failed with that once so far.

Its absolutely correct to say "not all Muslims", and its also absolutely correct to say that we shouldnt form a mob and attack them, too. But its also absolutely true to say that Islam is a violent and evil religion. Jesus taught us peace, to let those who would kill you do so, to not be harsh against anyone. And Muhammad taught the literal opposite of all these things.

Its beneficial for us to share these facts with the world.
 

trofimus

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I have read that the attacks against the Coptic Christians are not just from the common hatred of islam to everything non-islamic, but also because the Coptic Christians are the real, original Egyptians remaining today.

Muslims are from Arabic invasion of Egypt.
 

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I have read that the attacks against the Coptic Christians are not just from the common hatred of islam to everything non-islamic, but also because the Coptic Christians are the real, original Egyptians remaining today.

Muslims are from Arabic invasion of Egypt.
be careful- dropping real actual history like this is dangerous!!
 

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Anger which makes for hate which leads to murder. In short sin and not conscience to hold it in check.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

trofimus

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be careful- dropping real actual history like this is dangerous!!
Do not worry, I live in a relatively free country yet :) So I can say whatever I want... but yeah, it is changing slowly.
 

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Anger which makes for hate which leads to murder. In short sin and not conscience to hold it in check.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
I thought it was all part of the picnic.
do you really think you know Islam that well?
How did you learn it?
 

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That's news to me. I knew Coptic Christianity predates the emergence of Islam as most of the Dar al Islam was land taken from Christians.

But I did not realize there was a strong link between the Coptics and Egyptians.

I have read that the attacks against the Coptic Christians are not just from the common hatred of islam to everything non-islamic, but also because the Coptic Christians are the real, original Egyptians remaining today.

Muslims are from Arabic invasion of Egypt.
 

trofimus

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That's news to me. I knew Coptic Christianity predates the emergence of Islam as most of the Dar al Islam was land taken from Christians.

But I did not realize there was a strong link between the Coptics and Egyptians.
I read it some years ago, I am not sure if it is so or how significant it is. If somebody has more info, it would be great.
 

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Peaceful Muslims, are Muslims who do not fully adhere to the Quran and Hadith. They either put western values or their own sense of morality above what is actually taught in the Islamic texts. Then there are those who profess to be Muslim but are somewhat ignorant to all it teaches. The moment that they decide to fully adhere and submit themselves to Islam, is the moment they become radicalized. This potentially makes ALL Muslims ticking time bombs.

For instance, if you (being a Christian) were to ask a Muslim if they have (or can have) a Christian as a friend, they almost uniformly will tell you “yes”. However, in Quran 5:51 it clearly states… “O you who believe! Do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.”

This is just a typical example of one of the blatant disregards that most professing Muslims have towards what is actually taught in Islam. You can imagine then, when they actually decide to not only adhere to that verse, but the entirety of the Islamic faith, including numerous violent commands. Here are just a few…

Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection…Quran 9:29

Fighting is made mandatory for you, but you dislike it. You may not like something which, in fact, is for your good and something that you may love, in fact, may be evil. God knows, but you do not know…Quran 2:216

O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who are the Al-Muttaqun (the pious)…Quran 9:123

Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward…Quran 4:74

Verily, Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties; for the price that theirs shall be the Paradise. They fight in Allah's Cause, so they kill (others) and are killed. It is a promise in truth which is binding on Him in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel) and the Quran. And who is truer to his covenant than Allah? Then rejoice in the bargain which you have concluded. That is the supreme success…Quran 9:111

I believe that the problem is not “radical” Islam, rather it’s Islam itself.
Thanks for posting this-- it's good to back up statements with visible support.
 

HeraldtheNews

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I read it some years ago, I am not sure if it is so or how significant it is. If somebody has more info, it would be great.
I believe that the men executed by the anti Christ cult in cold blood on the beach a while back were Coptic Christians.
 

HeraldtheNews

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Whats ironic is they kill Christians and we know our death brings us to our loving savior, so by them they are only bringing us to Heaven faster.

Chew on that you extremist!
“And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and
I saw
the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received
his
mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.”

King James Version (KJV)

***Note: This was copied from this site:
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-20-4/
 
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An ISIS fighter died in battle and quickly arrived at the Pearly Gates where he was met by St. Peter. He immediately demanded his 72 Virgins, which was promised to all fighters who die fighting “infidels”.

Suddenly out of a cloud strode George Washington who walked up to him and gave him a huge roundhouse punch that broke his nose and sent him sprawling. Before he could get up off his knees, little James Madison appeared and using his walking stick clobbered him on his head. As he lay rolling in pain, out of another cloud rode Robert E. Lee on Traveler who drew his sword and gave him a vicious slash across his face after which Traveler stepped on his leg crushing it.

Screaming in pain, the ISIS fighter hollered..."BUT WHERE ARE MY 72 VIRGINS?!?!" to which St. Peter calmly replied "your boy Mohamid spelled it wrong… it was 72 VIRGINIANS."
 

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There's peaceful Muslims of course, but, for the most part, Islam is a confused religion without a purpose or message or direction, obsessed with meaningless religious legalism, oppressing women, and with destroying anyone who opposes them, even their own people or themselves, like the devil is obsessed with delusional destruction.
The purpose of Islam is very clearly articulated in the Qur'an, and in the related books such as the Hadiths and Sunnah, which further elucidate the mandated brutality of their evil, Satanic death cult. Muslims do not hide the fact that world domination through forced submission is their goal.
 

HeraldtheNews

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The purpose of Islam is very clearly articulated in the Qur'an, and in the related books such as the Hadiths and Sunnah, which further elucidate the mandated brutality of their evil, Satanic death cult. Muslims do not hide the fact that world domination through forced submission is their goal. [/INDENT]
cults all have a few things in common-- they like to imprison people, either iron bars, or mental.
but, that's for another thread-- thanks for defending the truth--
and nice photo--

I was making a sign: "Islamic Jihadist and his guide to: "Sex With Your Camel," but, I think that's going too far...
I'd probly be dead within an hour...
 
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