Mosque takes over Pentecostal Church as Pastor Prays to Allah
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Never said they did, one bad decision by the leaders of one church,
doesn't affect an entire domination. Plus charismatic is not the same as
Pentecostal anyway.
Its like saying just because some Germans give a round of applause when their
plane lands, must mean all Germans are terrified of flying and the pilots
have drinking problems.
Sweeping generalisations lead to wrong conclusions.
doesn't affect an entire domination. Plus charismatic is not the same as
Pentecostal anyway.
Its like saying just because some Germans give a round of applause when their
plane lands, must mean all Germans are terrified of flying and the pilots
have drinking problems.
Sweeping generalisations lead to wrong conclusions.
With generalism you are right. But all of pentecostals claim to have the same spirit. It it makes me wonder that this spirit says it is allright that Christians, Jews and Moslems worship the same God. I dont know who stands behind Charisma News, but I found no critic with this article. What I found were more then 2000 likes.
As well that Pentecostals and Charismatics have no problem to work with and in the RCC and accepting their doctrine.
What Pope Francis Needs To Know About Islam
by David Wood of Acts 17 Apologetics
I went to a Jesuit university for graduate school. I only had a couple of professors who were Jesuits, but I was always impressed by how much they knew about every topic that would come up in class. It seems that if you take it as your God given mission in life to be a scholar, you have a pretty compelling reason to study, and all the Jesuits I met had dedicated their lives to learning.
Now there is a Jesuit Pope. Given my past interactions with Jesuits, I had assumed that if Pope Francis were to speak about some topic, his words would be the result of careful study. Wrong!
I thought that since Pope Francis had spent his life studying religion, his comments about Islam would at least be more accurate than the patronizing nonsense we get from President Obama, prime minister Cameron, CNN, ABC, the New York Times, and so on. Wrong!
Let us look at the Pope's remarks about Islam and violence. He said, "I don't like to speak of Islamic violence, because everyday when I browse the newspapers, I see violence, here in Italy, this one who has murdered his girlfriend, another who has murdered the mother in law... And these are baptized Catholics. There are violent Catholics! If I speak of Islamic violence, I must speak of Catholic violence. And no, not all Muslims are violent; not all Catholics are violent. It is like a fruit salad: there is everything.
There are violent persons of this religion; this is true. I believe that in
pretty much every religion there is always a small group of Fundamentalists.
Fundamentalists! We have them. When fundamentalism comes to kill it can kill with the language. The Apostle James says this, not me, and even with a knife no? I do not believe it is right to identify Islam with violence. This is not right or true.
So, all religions have their radicals. You don't condemn Catholicism when a baptized Catholic kills his girlfriend or mother-in-law. Why would you condemn Islam when a jihadi kills unbelievers in the name of Allah? "
Pretty much the same response we have gotten from every politician and reporter since 9/11.
This one's a little scarier because, while we've come to expect utter
nonsense from politicians and reporters, many people trust the pope.
So, is the pope right? Not remotely. But fortunately for you Catholics out there, papal infallibility only applies to certain kinds of statements the pope makes, and this isn't one of them. As a Catholic, you do not have to agree with the Pope when he says something that is completely ridiculous.
Why is the pope wrong? Well, is a baptized Catholic commanded in Scripture to kill his girlfriend or his mother-in-law? No. So is a man killing his girlfriend or mother-in-law the result of his Catholic faith? No. Killing his wife or mother-in-law is a clear violation of his Catholic faith.
In other words, a man has his Catholic faith, but he may also be a violent person. Those two features are unrelated. When he gets angry and kills, he is acting in spite of his Catholic faith, not because of it.
Now when Muslims wage Jihad, are they violating their Islamic faith? Well they could be. There are limits on what Muslims are allowed to do in various circumstances. But is fighting unbelievers in the name of Allah something a jihadi just happens to do, and is completely unconnected to his Islamic faith?
Or is it something that flows from Islam itself? What does the Qur'an say? Fight those who do not believe in Allah, sura 2 v 29. Fight hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrite be unyielding to them.,, ... Oh you who believe fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness. Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and those who are with him are severe against disbelievers, and merciful among themselves. (David gives various verses compelling the Muslim to fight and kill.)
What does Muhammad say? Muhammad declares, I have been commanded to fight people until they bear witness that none has the right to be worshiped but Allah, and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. What tactic brought Muhammad victory? He proclaims, I have been made victorious with terror cast in the heart of the enemy.
[video=youtube;3BW5n8P9i8g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BW5n8P9i8g&t=148s[/video]
Now the standard objections. But David, there are peaceful teachings in a Islam as well. But the peaceful commands are abrogated or cancelled by later verses of violence to violently subjugate unbelievers. Click video screen learn more.
But David, you're taking those passages out of context. No I'm not. Here's another video where I go to the historic and literary context to show that it means exactly what it says (click video screens to be taken to other video).
But David, there are plenty of peaceful Muslims in the world. True, but Islam is not defined but peaceful Muslims or by violent Muslims. Islam is defined by by the Quran and Muhammad (click video screen if you would like to understand why there are so many peaceful Muslims, even though Islam calls for the violent subjugation of non-Muslims.)
But David, if a Muslim scholar were here, he could refute what you were saying. No, he couldn't. He'd try, but he would fail. Here is a video (touch video screen) where I discuss Jihad with the best Muslim debater in the world. Watch it and tell me I'm getting any of this wrong.
Putting all of this together, is a baptized Catholic killing his girlfriend or mother-in-law in clear violation of his Catholic faith the same thing as a Muslim waging Jihad because he has been commanded by Allah and Muhammad to do so? Short answer: No! Long dancer: Nooooooooooooooooo!!!
Now there's certainly much more to learn about Islam, but given the level of ignorance among world leaders, I would be thrilled if he'd simply learn why his response to Islamic terror is thoroughly nonsensical, not to mention dangerous, since people are being slaughtered while our leaders protect the ideology that calls for the slaughter.
by David Wood of Acts 17 Apologetics
I went to a Jesuit university for graduate school. I only had a couple of professors who were Jesuits, but I was always impressed by how much they knew about every topic that would come up in class. It seems that if you take it as your God given mission in life to be a scholar, you have a pretty compelling reason to study, and all the Jesuits I met had dedicated their lives to learning.
Now there is a Jesuit Pope. Given my past interactions with Jesuits, I had assumed that if Pope Francis were to speak about some topic, his words would be the result of careful study. Wrong!
I thought that since Pope Francis had spent his life studying religion, his comments about Islam would at least be more accurate than the patronizing nonsense we get from President Obama, prime minister Cameron, CNN, ABC, the New York Times, and so on. Wrong!
Let us look at the Pope's remarks about Islam and violence. He said, "I don't like to speak of Islamic violence, because everyday when I browse the newspapers, I see violence, here in Italy, this one who has murdered his girlfriend, another who has murdered the mother in law... And these are baptized Catholics. There are violent Catholics! If I speak of Islamic violence, I must speak of Catholic violence. And no, not all Muslims are violent; not all Catholics are violent. It is like a fruit salad: there is everything.
There are violent persons of this religion; this is true. I believe that in
pretty much every religion there is always a small group of Fundamentalists.
Fundamentalists! We have them. When fundamentalism comes to kill it can kill with the language. The Apostle James says this, not me, and even with a knife no? I do not believe it is right to identify Islam with violence. This is not right or true.
So, all religions have their radicals. You don't condemn Catholicism when a baptized Catholic kills his girlfriend or mother-in-law. Why would you condemn Islam when a jihadi kills unbelievers in the name of Allah? "
Pretty much the same response we have gotten from every politician and reporter since 9/11.
This one's a little scarier because, while we've come to expect utter
nonsense from politicians and reporters, many people trust the pope.
So, is the pope right? Not remotely. But fortunately for you Catholics out there, papal infallibility only applies to certain kinds of statements the pope makes, and this isn't one of them. As a Catholic, you do not have to agree with the Pope when he says something that is completely ridiculous.
Why is the pope wrong? Well, is a baptized Catholic commanded in Scripture to kill his girlfriend or his mother-in-law? No. So is a man killing his girlfriend or mother-in-law the result of his Catholic faith? No. Killing his wife or mother-in-law is a clear violation of his Catholic faith.
In other words, a man has his Catholic faith, but he may also be a violent person. Those two features are unrelated. When he gets angry and kills, he is acting in spite of his Catholic faith, not because of it.
Now when Muslims wage Jihad, are they violating their Islamic faith? Well they could be. There are limits on what Muslims are allowed to do in various circumstances. But is fighting unbelievers in the name of Allah something a jihadi just happens to do, and is completely unconnected to his Islamic faith?
Or is it something that flows from Islam itself? What does the Qur'an say? Fight those who do not believe in Allah, sura 2 v 29. Fight hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrite be unyielding to them.,, ... Oh you who believe fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness. Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and those who are with him are severe against disbelievers, and merciful among themselves. (David gives various verses compelling the Muslim to fight and kill.)
What does Muhammad say? Muhammad declares, I have been commanded to fight people until they bear witness that none has the right to be worshiped but Allah, and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. What tactic brought Muhammad victory? He proclaims, I have been made victorious with terror cast in the heart of the enemy.
[video=youtube;3BW5n8P9i8g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BW5n8P9i8g&t=148s[/video]
Now the standard objections. But David, there are peaceful teachings in a Islam as well. But the peaceful commands are abrogated or cancelled by later verses of violence to violently subjugate unbelievers. Click video screen learn more.
But David, you're taking those passages out of context. No I'm not. Here's another video where I go to the historic and literary context to show that it means exactly what it says (click video screens to be taken to other video).
But David, there are plenty of peaceful Muslims in the world. True, but Islam is not defined but peaceful Muslims or by violent Muslims. Islam is defined by by the Quran and Muhammad (click video screen if you would like to understand why there are so many peaceful Muslims, even though Islam calls for the violent subjugation of non-Muslims.)
But David, if a Muslim scholar were here, he could refute what you were saying. No, he couldn't. He'd try, but he would fail. Here is a video (touch video screen) where I discuss Jihad with the best Muslim debater in the world. Watch it and tell me I'm getting any of this wrong.
Putting all of this together, is a baptized Catholic killing his girlfriend or mother-in-law in clear violation of his Catholic faith the same thing as a Muslim waging Jihad because he has been commanded by Allah and Muhammad to do so? Short answer: No! Long dancer: Nooooooooooooooooo!!!
Now there's certainly much more to learn about Islam, but given the level of ignorance among world leaders, I would be thrilled if he'd simply learn why his response to Islamic terror is thoroughly nonsensical, not to mention dangerous, since people are being slaughtered while our leaders protect the ideology that calls for the slaughter.
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Nope,sorry,wrong again. Pentecostals do not agree with the RCC,at all,nor do we accept their doctrine. We do not believe that Muslims and Christians have the same God. The Jews worship the same God as the Christians,but they are blinded as Romans 11 states for a time. When the anti-Christ betrays them they will have their eyes opened and come to believe in Jesus and a remnant will be saved.
Did Jesus Pray Like A Muslim?
By David Wood of Acts 17 Apologetics
Sometimes I respond to a Muslim in the comments section of youTube, and then I see other Muslims using the same silly argument, so I have to respond over and over again. And then I realize that I should just put the response into a video, so that anyone who encounters the argument can simply share the response.
Here's an example. Goldman writes: in the Book of Matthew 26:39, prophet Jesus (peace be upon Him), fell on his face and prayed just like the Muslims do in Mecca and Medina 5 times every day. I've never seen any Christian falling on his face and praying.
This argument is popular in Muslim memes on Facebook and Twitter. As we look at three of them, notice that they never quote the entire verse. Why don't they quote the entire verse? Because if they quoted the rest of the verse, it would destroy their argument.
So, here's a picture of a Muslim praying, and we read at the bottom: And he Jesus went a little farther and fell on his face and prayed. The rest of the verse omitted Matthew 26:3. Once again: And he (Jesus) went little further and fell on his face and prayed. The rest of the verse omitted. Matthew 26:39. Then we have, even Jesus (peace be upon Him), bowing to the ground praying to his God. Muslims constantly complain about images of Muhammad are so quick to pass around a picture of Jesus. One more; Jesus prayed like this. Matthew 26:39. Why don't you?
This one doesn't quote any of the verse. So this is meant to show that Jesus prayed like a Muslim, and that he must have been a Muslim, and that therefore the followers of Jesus should therefore convert to Islam.
[video=youtube;p5FolPt40aE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5FolPt40aE[/video]
Now for my response. Hi Goldman, You have never seen a Christian praying on his face because Jesus commanded His followers, When you pray, you are not to be like the Hypocrites, for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door, and pray to your father who is in secret, and your father who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. Matthew 6:5-6
Notice that this is the same book you just cited to show the Jesus prayed Muslims. Muslims pray in the open so that you may be seen by men. Jesus condemns your prayers. Jesus also said, in the same book you cited, and when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words Matthew 6:7.
What do Muslims do when they pray? They recite memorized prayers in a language most of them don't understand. Even more hilarious, the exact verse you cited condemns you.
And here's why Muslims never quote the entire verse when they use this argument. Matthew 26:39 reads, and He went a little beyond them and fell on His face and prayed saying, my father if it is possible let this cup pass from me, yet not as I will but as you will.
Jesus calls God my father! According to the Qur'an (9:30) Jesus is not the son of God. Indeed, the Qur'an declares that Allah is a father to no one. See 5:18, 19:88-93 and 21:26. So, if we believe the verse you cited, Islam is false.
Beyond this Jesus prayed in different positions. John 17:1 states, Jesus spoke these things, and lifting up his eyes to Heaven he said, Father, the hour has come, glorify your son that the Son may glorify you. Jesus prayed while looking up to heaven. I have never seen a Muslim pray like this. Notice also notice once again, the Jesus calls God Father, and declares himself to be the Son. So, your proof of Islam is something that thoroughly contradicts Islam.
Thank you for proving, based on the teachings of Jesus, that Muhammad was a false prophet.
By David Wood of Acts 17 Apologetics
Sometimes I respond to a Muslim in the comments section of youTube, and then I see other Muslims using the same silly argument, so I have to respond over and over again. And then I realize that I should just put the response into a video, so that anyone who encounters the argument can simply share the response.
Here's an example. Goldman writes: in the Book of Matthew 26:39, prophet Jesus (peace be upon Him), fell on his face and prayed just like the Muslims do in Mecca and Medina 5 times every day. I've never seen any Christian falling on his face and praying.
This argument is popular in Muslim memes on Facebook and Twitter. As we look at three of them, notice that they never quote the entire verse. Why don't they quote the entire verse? Because if they quoted the rest of the verse, it would destroy their argument.
So, here's a picture of a Muslim praying, and we read at the bottom: And he Jesus went a little farther and fell on his face and prayed. The rest of the verse omitted Matthew 26:3. Once again: And he (Jesus) went little further and fell on his face and prayed. The rest of the verse omitted. Matthew 26:39. Then we have, even Jesus (peace be upon Him), bowing to the ground praying to his God. Muslims constantly complain about images of Muhammad are so quick to pass around a picture of Jesus. One more; Jesus prayed like this. Matthew 26:39. Why don't you?
This one doesn't quote any of the verse. So this is meant to show that Jesus prayed like a Muslim, and that he must have been a Muslim, and that therefore the followers of Jesus should therefore convert to Islam.
[video=youtube;p5FolPt40aE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5FolPt40aE[/video]
Now for my response. Hi Goldman, You have never seen a Christian praying on his face because Jesus commanded His followers, When you pray, you are not to be like the Hypocrites, for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door, and pray to your father who is in secret, and your father who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. Matthew 6:5-6
Notice that this is the same book you just cited to show the Jesus prayed Muslims. Muslims pray in the open so that you may be seen by men. Jesus condemns your prayers. Jesus also said, in the same book you cited, and when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words Matthew 6:7.
What do Muslims do when they pray? They recite memorized prayers in a language most of them don't understand. Even more hilarious, the exact verse you cited condemns you.
And here's why Muslims never quote the entire verse when they use this argument. Matthew 26:39 reads, and He went a little beyond them and fell on His face and prayed saying, my father if it is possible let this cup pass from me, yet not as I will but as you will.
Jesus calls God my father! According to the Qur'an (9:30) Jesus is not the son of God. Indeed, the Qur'an declares that Allah is a father to no one. See 5:18, 19:88-93 and 21:26. So, if we believe the verse you cited, Islam is false.
Beyond this Jesus prayed in different positions. John 17:1 states, Jesus spoke these things, and lifting up his eyes to Heaven he said, Father, the hour has come, glorify your son that the Son may glorify you. Jesus prayed while looking up to heaven. I have never seen a Muslim pray like this. Notice also notice once again, the Jesus calls God Father, and declares himself to be the Son. So, your proof of Islam is something that thoroughly contradicts Islam.
Thank you for proving, based on the teachings of Jesus, that Muhammad was a false prophet.
Now, when Muslims look up Matthew 26:39 and read that Jesus calls God "My Father" and then cut that part off because the Qur'an says that Allah is the father to no one, and they post part of the verse and claim that it supports Islam, isn't that highly deceptive? Why is this kind of deliberate deception so common among Muslims who are trying to convert Christians?
Since so many Muslims are using this silly argument, I have posted the text of my response in the description box, so when you see the argument, feel free to either share this video, or cut and paste the response.
(My apologies! I neglected to include the final part of the previous video)
Since so many Muslims are using this silly argument, I have posted the text of my response in the description box, so when you see the argument, feel free to either share this video, or cut and paste the response.
(My apologies! I neglected to include the final part of the previous video
)