American Health Care Act

[Rockrz]

Now that the Republicans have shown that they intend to screw us

The dems already did that... when it comes to government, everybody wants everything to be free for everyone... and until that happens, people like you will always claim people are getting screwed

The left opposes free enterprise, so what they rally want is full blown socialism leading to full blown communism

The left wants government to be god... and seeing the one world government coming on thru globalism they will get then eventually and it'll led to them to support the anti-christ which will lead them all to hell.

So the le4sson here boys and girls is don't follow the liberal left to hell, cause that's where they're leading all those who follow them!

Show me where God supports anything other than a single payer system for all.

Show me where God supports going to the doctor and trusting in the wisdom / ability of mankind rather than coming to Him for health and healing...

The reason you cannot find this in scripture is because God never gave any call to action to His people to go anywhere other than to Him for health / healing.

A blind man walks up to Jesus and asks to be healed.

Jesus says "I'm sorry but you're not covered".

I forget what scripture verse that is.

Jesus never sent folks to the doctor... He provided healing supernaturally thru His Word.

He's still doing that today... but satan easily talks most Christians out of it... so they fight over gubment paying for healthcare just like those who are without God. Sad...

My brother-in-law at age 40 was self employed, with a significant nest egg, and his business prospering, was diagnosed with cancer. He had BCBS health insurance through his business. In just a few months, he went through his insurance, and a large portion of his nest egg. Finally, remission. His insurance could no longer be renewed, but he managed to pay for monthly follow-up for the next four years. Just as his life was getting back on track, the BP oil spill occurred. Tourism to the south dropped to next to nothing. His customer base, and his business collapsed. On top of that, cancer returned. What little he had been able to set aside, went to treatment for cancer. He lived another two years, and died owing at least $100K in medical bills after my sister liquidated his business. He was 48 years old.

Too bad he didn't know what we in the Bible... he could have avoided all that and still be living and running a prosperous business being a blessing to others.

He just got whipped by the devil at the game of life!

When it comes to healthcare security today, you must be rich, or on a government sponsored plan, if you need it.

So, apparently you think Jesus cannot be trusted with healthcare?

That's too bad for you...

Question is not will someone fight to take from you, it's why is your heart so hard that you're not willing to give?

That begs the question as to why are you looking to man as your source of supply???

No, we are to be like Jesus.

If you were like Jesus, you would know God's Word and no only not get sick but know how to teach others how to not get sick.

 

[Test_F_i_2_Luv]

Mar 12:28 And one of the scribes came up and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, asked him, "Which commandment is the most important of all?"
Mar 12:29 Jesus answered, "The most important is, 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.
Mar 12:30 And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.'
Mar 12:31 The second is this: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these."
Mar 12:32 And the scribe said to him, "You are right, Teacher. You have truly said that he is one, and there is no other besides him.
Mar 12:33 And to love him with all the heart and with all the understanding and with all the strength, and to love one's neighbor as oneself, is much more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices."
Mar 12:34 And when Jesus saw that he answered wisely, he said to him, "You are not far from the kingdom of God." And after that no one dared to ask him any more questions.

Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
Joh 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

How responsible are you for other's lives?

Single payer is telling individuals to give to the government so it can redistribute money. Single payer is government control. Redistribution by the government...which we know is the most efficient organization on earth(to the tune of a $20 trillion deficit).

To follow Mark or John, as you've quoted, I'd be doing a better job by giving to a church collection that is specifically for a person in need.

Healthcare is focused on us. Protecting ourselves. We don't, by paying health insurance, say "I'm in great health and will be fine...I'm paying to help others in need". Our healthcare system is about self-preservation, not about loving others.

The church collecting funds for a person who is ill, on the other hand, is about giving of ourselves(and our fortune) for the needs of another.

 

[Test_F_i_2_Luv]

A blind man walks up to Jesus and asks to be healed.

Jesus says "I'm sorry but you're not covered".

I forget what scripture verse that is.

I forgot the Scripture that says to give it to a big, bloated wasteful government so it can be redistributed.

Where do we read about government subsidies...which were very plentiful...87% in 2015!

 

[Tommy379]

Jesus never said 'take'. He said 'give'. Question is not will someone fight to take from you, it's why is your heart so hard that you're not willing to give?



No, we are to be like Jesus. And if we truly are like Him our government will be like Him too.

I don't disagree with anything the bible says, but this thread is not about being charitable.
The original post suggested new legislation. All legislation is enforced, ultimately, by use of violent force.
Nice try. Take your communist policies, and shove them up your dumper, sideways.

 

[John_agape]

I'm sorry, didn't realize the United States was a theocracy.

Maybe the United States would be a better country if it were a theocracy. As it is the United States is a lobbyoracy where the government is busy trying to pass a bill where the top 1% income earners get a massive tax cut subsidized by the other 99%.

Looking at the United States from the outside, from the view of a modern western society, I am amazed that so many United States citizens do not understand the concept of a national health insurance.

The health act they are trying to pass will benefit ONLY the 1% richest and the private commercial for profit health insurance industry.

Those Republican congress and senate representatives have sold their souls for commercial interests. They should represent their constituents.

The concept of a not-for-profit single healthcare insurance system originated in Christian ethics, based on the Bible.

Jesus taught us to care for each other, not to be selfish.

 

[John_agape]

I don't disagree with anything the bible says, but this thread is not about being charitable.
The original post suggested new legislation. All legislation is enforced, ultimately, by use of violent force.
Nice try. Take your communist policies, and shove them up your dumper, sideways.

A single health care provider is not a communist plot. It is practical and prevents the majority of the citizens of the country from being exploited by a for-obscene-profit health insurance industry and a for-obscene-profit pharmaceutical industry. Sometimes a government can do good, like keeping medicine prices down and lower health insurance costs.

The down side is that it does mean higher taxes, but those extra taxes are still less than the amount you pay to a commercial for-obcene-profit industry.

 

[John_agape]

I forgot the Scripture that says to give it to a big, bloated wasteful government so it can be redistributed.

Where do we read about government subsidies...which were very plentiful...87% in 2015!

A big wasteful government is bad. But so is a system that supports industries that exploit the people of the country.

The goal should be to vote in representatives that have the interests of their constituents at heart.

Over bloated government is bad. But so is an overly lean government that lets big industry run riot and crushing ordinary people financially.

People in need should be helped. That idea is Biblical.

In my experience, the majority of people want to work and do what is right. We need governments that put systems in place that encourage job creation, jobs with decent living wages, These jobs are not created in a dog-eat-dog I-don't-care-about-my-neighbor political system.

There will always be parasites and spongers in any system. We have to accept that, not lump decent people who are down into the same basket as the parasites.

The price we pay for goods in a supermarket includes an add on to cover losses due to shoplifting. We accept that without complaint. Social welfare is similar.

 

[John_agape]

Looking at the United States from the outside, I do not see a democracy. I see a lobbyocracy where the Republican and Democratic parties are two sides of the same lobbyist coin, supported by and serving their big financial supporters.

When will the Unites States voters vote for a government by the people and for the people?

 

[Miri]

Reading this thread, I'm so glad we have the NHS, it's not perfect but
it's there when needed whatever your age or status.

Its not free though, that's a myth. All working people pay national
insurance contributions (another form of taxation). Each generation of
working people basically pay for themselves, the young, the elderly who don't work.
But then when we get old, it's the next generation which pays for us so what
comes around, goes around etc.

There are those who can't work due to mental or physical disabilities, but none
mind that. There are those who won't work, but rarely do people not work for their entire
life's. Most pay something in, many don't take a lot out of the system until age creeps
up on them.


People can pay for private healthcare if they want, thus avoiding waiting lists, public
hospitals etc. But they still are required to pay NI contributions and there is no
requirement for them to stay private.

Some do a mix and match approach, mostly using the NHS and only going private if they
need surgery for example. Or certain things like cosmetic surgery, laser eye treatment to
correct vision etc.

The NHS is a bit creaky at times but everyone is glad it's there.

Maybe something similar would work in the US, but I imagine that after all this time.
Those big insurance companies and big private medical facilities won't want to
lose the big business they rake in each year.

 

[Billyd]

Single payer is telling individuals to give to the government so it can redistribute money. Single payer is government control. Redistribution by the government...which we know is the most efficient organization on earth(to the tune of a $20 trillion deficit).

To follow Mark or John, as you've quoted, I'd be doing a better job by giving to a church collection that is specifically for a person in need.

Healthcare is focused on us. Protecting ourselves. We don't, by paying health insurance, say "I'm in great health and will be fine...I'm paying to help others in need". Our healthcare system is about self-preservation, not about loving others.

The church collecting funds for a person who is ill, on the other hand, is about giving of ourselves(and our fortune) for the needs of another.

Single payer is telling others that in their time of need, healthcare will be there. Regardless of reason for the need.

How many people have your church helped with healthcare this year? How many more people need care, but don't get it because they can't afford it? Our love for our neighbors should motivate every Christian to support healthcare for every one.

Healthcare is never focused on us in the US. It is focused on who pays the bill. Usually the government or the insurance companies. The Christian church sure hasn't stepped up to the plate. It appears to me that the average person who calls himself a Christian has more love for money than he has for his neighbor.

Healthcare is not about self preservation. It's about improving the quality of life for all citizens.

 

[RickyZ]

I don't disagree with anything the bible says, but this thread is not about being charitable.
The original post suggested new legislation. All legislation is enforced, ultimately, by use of violent force.
Nice try. Take your communist policies, and shove them up your dumper, sideways.

And another one hits the ignore list, simply because I'm tired of listening to rude ignorant people.

I say ignorant because you obviously read things for what you want to hear, and not for what's actually being said.

Very Christ-like of you!

 

[RickyZ]

Looking at the United States from the outside, I do not see a democracy. I see a lobbyocracy where the Republican and Democratic parties are two sides of the same lobbyist coin, supported by and serving their big financial supporters.

When will the Unites States voters vote for a government by the people and for the people?

THIS guy gets a rep!

 

[RickyZ]

Single payer is telling others that in their time of need, healthcare will be there. Regardless of reason for the need.

How many people have your church helped with healthcare this year? How many more people need care, but don't get it because they can't afford it? Our love for our neighbors should motivate every Christian to support healthcare for every one.

Healthcare is never focused on us in the US. It is focused on who pays the bill. Usually the government or the insurance companies. The Christian church sure hasn't stepped up to the plate. It appears to me that the average person who calls himself a Christian has more love for money than he has for his neighbor.

Healthcare is not about self preservation. It's about improving the quality of life for all citizens.

And a rep for this one!

 

[RickyZ]

I'm intrigued by those who claim we Christians do not need healthcare at all, because we have the promise of good health thru Christ. While I don't believe Christ ever promised 'universal healthcare' (ie no one of His will ever get sick), it's an interesting thought to consider. I wouldn't rule out the possibility, but the question that pops up in my mind is this: If you're walking across the street and some car mows you down and breaks your leg, do you then ask the responding ambulance crew to take you to church instead of the emergency room?

 

[RickyZ]

Just popped over to facebook, and there it was yet again ... another post with a 'go fund me' link put up by someone trying to pay off medical debt. Is this REALLLY how we want to handle our healthcare needs?

 

[Test_F_i_2_Luv]

Single payer is telling others that in their time of need, healthcare will be there. Regardless of reason for the need.

Right, and so is social security.

How many people have your church helped with healthcare this year? How many more people need care, but don't get it because they can't afford it? Our love for our neighbors should motivate every Christian to support healthcare for every one.

I support the concept of healthcare for everyone, but not run by the government and not by forcing everyone to participate.

Let's not get "love" mixed up with being forced to participate.

Healthcare is never focused on us in the US. It is focused on who pays the bill. Usually the government or the insurance companies. The Christian church sure hasn't stepped up to the plate. It appears to me that the average person who calls himself a Christian has more love for money than he has for his neighbor.

It's not my claim that the church is perfect or doing all it should when it comes to the physical health of people.

Healthcare is not about self preservation. It's about improving the quality of life for all citizens.

I pay health insurance(which is healthcare) for self-preservation. In the event I become ill, it helps to cover costs to keep me alive and self-preserve.

People aren't dishing out hundreds of dollars a month thinking about how it will help other people stay healthy. We pay to keep ourselves healthy and to self-preserve.

Some insurance policies feature "free" yearly check-ups and/or discounts on exercise programs. What do these do? They encourage people to get(or stay) healthy...self-preserving.

 

[Desdichado]

It won't work.

 

[Jennie-Mae]

It won't work.

This country was founded on freedom. If freedom is not important anymore I guess we need a health care act. Having that said, there should be established better systems to protect people that can't pay for themselves.

 

[RickyZ]

This country was founded on freedom. If freedom is not important anymore I guess we need a health care act. Having that said, there should be established better systems to protect people that can't pay for themselves.

Insurance is by it's very nature a socialist endeavor. So if we truly value or freedom over socialism like so many insist, we need to outlaw insurance companies.

Yeah. Like those freedom loving Republicans are going to outlaw a socialist cash cow that lines their pockets.

 

[Rockrz]

When will the Unites States voters vote for a government by the people and for the people?

Sorry, those days are gone... God's Word says there will be dangerous times in the last days...

2 Timothy 3:1-9
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

If you're walking across the street and some car mows you down and breaks your leg

If this happens to you and to pray and ask the Lord what happened... He's gonna tell you that yo momma taught you to look both ways before crossing the street!

You obviously have not studied all the promises God gives in His Word concerning His protection... which is why you think it terms of "what if" rather than thanking the Lord that He watches over His Word to perform it and He is a good God that does what He has promised.

No, it's mankind that gets themselves in to trouble by not knowing and doing God's Word.

I don't use medical science cause I found a better deal! Why should I get sick and try to get well when Jesus has already taken my sickness and disease upon Himself (Matthew 8:17) so I would not have to have it??? Most Christians think God lied when He said "By His (talkin 'bout Jesus) stripes, you WERE healed" (1 Peter 2:24)

Ask yourself this question... which is better, to try and solve a problem after it happens or to prevent the problem from happening in the first place?

That is the question!

Jesus never got sick when He was here, so why should His people?

Oh yeah, that's right... most of His people don't do what He did that's why!

Is this REALLLY how we want to handle our healthcare needs?

It beats being a ward of the state... what'cho folk gonna do when the government starts refusing to pay your healthcare because they don't like you being a Christians? Or they don't like your pollyticks?

That day is just around the corner. Enjoy!

If freedom is not important anymore I guess we need a health care act

No, people would much rather trade their freedom for a nanny state to provide cradle to grave services so they can be slaves to the Washington DC plantation!

That way they don't have to work and they can watch TV, play video games, or do drugs all day.

Like those freedom loving Republicans are going to outlaw a socialist cash cow that lines their pockets.

That's cause they are just wanting to be like democrats... I think it's so funny that Bernie Boy Sanders and his old lady are being investigated / charged with fraud right after Bernie Boy attacked Christians!