American Health Care Act

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RickyZ

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Now that the Republicans have shown that they intend to screw us, how about we consider something from the middle:

The American Health Care True Marketplace Act


The American Healthcare True Marketplace is designed around concerns voiced by all sides on this debate. Among the considerations are to provide coverage for all, lower prices thru free marketplace competition, and require fewer and better targeted taxes and regulations. The points of the plan, and their reasonings are:


1. Provide a single payer ‘basic life support’ system, designed to stabilize someone so they are then able look for more advanced care privately in the free marketplace.

The intent of this provision is to ensure that everyone has access to basic life sustaining services regardless of position or ability to pay.

2. Employers may no longer offer health insurance plans to their employees. All insurance must be obtained on the free marketplace.

The intention of this provision is: Employer paid plans remove large numbers of people from the marketplace pool. To ensure a true free marketplace plan that benefits all, everyone must have equal access to the same marketplace products.

a. Employers may offer financial incentives to their employees towards the purchase of health insurance on the free marketplace.

Intent: To provide a means for employers to offer healthcare benefits in order to attract and keep valuable employees.


i. Such incentives are tax deductible by the employer. Self Explanatory.

ii. Such incentives shall be considered income by the employee and taxed at 1%. These taxes are to be placed into the hereby established Free Marketplace Fund.

Intent: A true free marketplace requires everyone to have access to the same products at the same price. This tiny ‘Cadillac tax’ will help others in the marketplace who are disadvantaged by not being employed. More discussion follows.

iii. Employers may negotiate discounts with insurance companies for their employees. Employers may not demand their employees buy specific insurance products, but may offer such discounts if negotiated percentages of their employees agree to buy the same product.

Intent: To provide further benefit opportunities from employers to employees without needlessly restricting or regulating the free marketplace.

3. ALL health insurance is to be available and sold nationwide on the free marketplace. Healthcare and health insurance are hereby considered National plans not State plans.

The intent is: 1 Further increase the size of the free marketplace to take advantage of the economies of scale, and 2. To ensure equal access by all to the same products.

4. All insurance is required to meet ‘non-profit’ standards.

Intent: Every penny put into a shareholder’s pocket is a penny someone paid for healthcare and didn’t get. Shareholder payouts are a silent tax put upon health care consumers. This act seeks to reduce or eliminate most taxes, including hidden taxes.

5. An insurance plan offering reasonable office copays and 70/30 coinsurance shall be considered a ‘standardized plan’. A standardized plan’s premiums and deductibles may not exceed 15% of a person’s taxable income. Any standardized plan costs above 15% of income shall be considered at their ‘out of pocket maximum’ and subsidized by the Free Marketplace Fund.

Intent: To provide lower costs on a standardized plan that is available to all.

a. Insurance companies may make non-standardized plans available on the free marketplace.

Intent: Allows those who are able and wish so to purchase upgraded plans on the free marketplace

6. All doctors and facilities are required to accept standardized plans. This does not preclude doctors and facilities from establishing and accepting independent cash prices.

Intent: To again provide health care for all while keeping a free marketplace baseline.

7. All medical providers and facilities are to provide written cost estimates for all procedures and treatments offered. These prices are to remain valid for 30 days to facilitate patient ‘comparison shopping’ among providers. Actual costs billed may not exceed 10% of the estimate. Unforeseen (and thus unestimated) costs may only exceed 10% of the actual cost to deliver that particular service or item.

Intent: To provide financial transparency and facilitate the ability to comparison shop procedures and materials, and to bring about the cost reductions that accompany free market competition.

8. All governmental agencies shall negotiate medical and pharmaceutical prices for their patients. These prices shall be considered ‘benchmarks’ for private insurance coverages.

Intent: To put to use the negotiating power of our governmental caregivers (expressly Medicare and Veteran’s Administration) to provide free market competition among medical and pharmaceutical providers for those services and the lowered costs that brings.

9. At the outset of this program, there will be no exclusions for pre-existing conditions. People will have 5 years to obtain insurance under this act. At the end of that five year period, insurance companies may exclude pre-existing conditions for those who did not obtain insurance during that introductory time period.

Intent: The intent of insurance to spread the cost of a pooled risk. Thus all insurance, even in a free market, is by its very nature a socialist activity and requires maximum participation to even out costs and risks among various groups. This encourages individuals to join that risk pool early without actually requiring them to do so or otherwise penalizing them for not joining.

10. Insurance companies may sell employer-style ‘family discounts’ if all members under a head of household, regardless of age, are enrolled in the same plan.

Intent: To assist families in obtaining affordable healthcare and providing companies a means to market their services to families.

11. Corporations whose average executive compensation is more than 100 times their employee’s average compensation will be taxed 10% on compensation exceeding that limit. These monies are to be placed in the Free Marketplace Fund.

a. Monies a company spends providing healthcare to its employees may include that cost in determining worker / executive compensation.

Intent: To promote income equality between the executive and worker sectors, and to fund the Free Marketplace Fund thru the equivalent of a “greed tax”.

12. Free marketplace funds are to be used to finance Basic Life Support and Standardized plan subsidies.

Intent: To help facilitate affordable healthcare that covers everyone.

13. This act does not affect Medicare or the Veteran’s Administration, outside of authorizing these agencies to negotiate prices and set benchmarks.

14. INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE NO INSURANCE OR MEANS TO PAY WILL NOT RECEIVE SERVICES BEYOND BASIC LIFE SUPPORT SERVICES.

Intent: Uninsured patients are a large reason medical costs are so high. People who take advantage of the system by not joining the shared risk pool should not enjoy that pool’s resources in their time of need. Using Free Marketplace pooled funds and services without participating in the marketplace constitutes a tax upon those who do join the marketplace. This eliminates that hidden tax and provides another incentive for people to join the pool while not requiring them to do so.

15. Those receiving Free Marketplace Funds due to disability or unemployment must produce a certificate of unemployability signed by 2 doctors, or show proof of attempts to gain employment, to receive Free Marketplace Funds.

Intent: To keep the lazy from benefitting from the shared risk pool they do not contribute to.

16. State and federal legislators and executives shall be required to participate in this plan and may not receive any other coverages not offered on the free marketplace.

Intent: To prevent governing bodies from taking unfair advantages not available to the people, to ensure their participation in the free marketplace, and to ensure their actions are in the best interests of the people.
 

Tommy379

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What you have proposed will never work. Requiring insurance companies to offer the same insurance to everyone at the same price is not a "free market." I don't even think you could call that insurance. It will just drive the cost up for everyone, and a 1% tax on insurance money paid to employees ain't going to put a dent in it. You're just putting a different spin on the already failing ACA.
Insurance operates by assessing the risk to the insurer, and coming to a price for the insured. That's how a "free market" works. Some people that pose a higher risk will just have to pay more.
Law already requires hospitals to provide life saving treatment, regardless of the patients ability to pay. It's been that way since before I was born.
Y'all need to let go of the notion that the federal government has any responsibility in providing healthcare. The US constitution grants no authority to congress in providing it, therefore it should be left to the states if government intervention is required.
 

Billyd

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Show me where God supports anything other than a single payer system for all.

Why should quality health care be withheld for anyone?

I pray that none of you avid supporters of limited heath care for some, and no health care for some, never end up in the situation where you need that health care and can't pay for it.

What has happened to "Love your neighbor"?
 

notuptome

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Show me where God supports anything other than a single payer system for all.

Why should quality health care be withheld for anyone?

I pray that none of you avid supporters of limited heath care for some, and no health care for some, never end up in the situation where you need that health care and can't pay for it.

What has happened to "Love your neighbor"?
So says the guy on Medicare.

Is your health from God or the government?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Show me where God supports anything other than a single payer system for all.

Why should quality health care be withheld for anyone?

I pray that none of you avid supporters of limited heath care for some, and no health care for some, never end up in the situation where you need that health care and can't pay for it.

What has happened to "Love your neighbor"?
2 Corinthians 8:13-15
King James Version(KJV)

13.)For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened:

14.)But by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may be a supply for their want, that their abundance also may be a supply for your want: that there may be equality:

15.)As it is written, He that had gathered much had nothing over; and he that had gathered little had no lack.
 

Tommy379

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Show me where God supports anything other than a single payer system for all.

Why should quality health care be withheld for anyone?

I pray that none of you avid supporters of limited heath care for some, and no health care for some, never end up in the situation where you need that health care and can't pay for it.

What has happened to "Love your neighbor"?
Show me where I'm responsible for your life.
 

RickyZ

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Show me where God supports anything other than a single payer system for all.

Why should quality health care be withheld for anyone?

I pray that none of you avid supporters of limited heath care for some, and no health care for some, never end up in the situation where you need that health care and can't pay for it.

What has happened to "Love your neighbor"?
Single-payer would be the most equitable way, altho I wouldn't trust either government or corporate America to manage it fairly (not sure who that leaves to run it). I believe that if the republicans manage to force their plan thru, single payer is what we will end up with once it implodes (on a larger scale than Obummercare ever will).
 

RickyZ

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Show me where I'm responsible for your life.
2 Corinthians 8:13-15
King James Version(KJV)

13.)For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened:

14.)But by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may be a supply for their want, that their abundance also may be a supply for your want: that there may be equality:

15.)As it is written, He that had gathered much had nothing over; and he that had gathered little had no lack.
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RickyZ

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Show me where God supports anything other than a single payer system for all.

Why should quality health care be withheld for anyone?

I pray that none of you avid supporters of limited heath care for some, and no health care for some, never end up in the situation where you need that health care and can't pay for it.

What has happened to "Love your neighbor"?
A blind man walks up to Jesus and asks to be healed.

Jesus says "I'm sorry but you're not covered".

I forget what scripture verse that is.
 

Billyd

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So says the guy on Medicare.

Is your health from God or the government?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
My friend God has blessed me beyond my wildest expectations. I have no problems sharing my blessings with others. I thank Him for that Government run program called Medicare every day. I pray that He moves the hearts of all my fellow Christians to support a similar program for all.

My brother-in-law at age 40 was self employed, with a significant nest egg, and his business prospering, was diagnosed with cancer. He had BCBS health insurance through his business. In just a few months, he went through his insurance, and a large portion of his nest egg. Finally, remission. His insurance could no longer be renewed, but he managed to pay for monthly follow-up for the next four years. Just as his life was getting back on track, the BP oil spill occurred. Tourism to the south dropped to next to nothing. His customer base, and his business collapsed. On top of that, cancer returned. What little he had been able to set aside, went to treatment for cancer. He lived another two years, and died owing at least $100K in medical bills after my sister liquidated his business. He was 48 years old.

A lot of factors in a dynamic economy, can result in the need for healthcare. I don't think that God wants us to drive every one in need of healthcare into bankruptcy.

What do you think that the founders meant by "provide for the general welfare"?
 

Tommy379

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I'm sorry, didn't realize the United States was a theocracy.
 

Billyd

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Show me where I'm responsible for your life.

Mar 12:28 And one of the scribes came up and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, asked him, "Which commandment is the most important of all?"
Mar 12:29 Jesus answered, "The most important is, 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.
Mar 12:30 And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.'
Mar 12:31 The second is this: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these."
Mar 12:32 And the scribe said to him, "You are right, Teacher. You have truly said that he is one, and there is no other besides him.
Mar 12:33 And to love him with all the heart and with all the understanding and with all the strength, and to love one's neighbor as oneself, is much more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices."
Mar 12:34 And when Jesus saw that he answered wisely, he said to him, "You are not far from the kingdom of God." And after that no one dared to ask him any more questions.

Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
Joh 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

How responsible are you for other's lives?
 
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Susanna

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When it comes to healthcare all I can say is I wish I was rich.
 

Tommy379

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Mar 12:28 And one of the scribes came up and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, asked him, "Which commandment is the most important of all?"
Mar 12:29 Jesus answered, "The most important is, 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.
Mar 12:30 And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.'
Mar 12:31 The second is this: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these."
Mar 12:32 And the scribe said to him, "You are right, Teacher. You have truly said that he is one, and there is no other besides him.
Mar 12:33 And to love him with all the heart and with all the understanding and with all the strength, and to love one's neighbor as oneself, is much more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices."
Mar 12:34 And when Jesus saw that he answered wisely, he said to him, "You are not far from the kingdom of God." And after that no one dared to ask him any more questions.

Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
Joh 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

How responsible are you for other's lives?
Are you willing to fight me, to take from me what you want?
 

Billyd

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When it comes to healthcare all I can say is I wish I was rich.
When it comes to healthcare security today, you must be rich, or on a government sponsored plan, if you need it.
 

Tommy379

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Mar 12:28 And one of the scribes came up and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, asked him, "Which commandment is the most important of all?"
Mar 12:29 Jesus answered, "The most important is, 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.
Mar 12:30 And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.'
Mar 12:31 The second is this: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these."
Mar 12:32 And the scribe said to him, "You are right, Teacher. You have truly said that he is one, and there is no other besides him.
Mar 12:33 And to love him with all the heart and with all the understanding and with all the strength, and to love one's neighbor as oneself, is much more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices."
Mar 12:34 And when Jesus saw that he answered wisely, he said to him, "You are not far from the kingdom of God." And after that no one dared to ask him any more questions.

Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
Joh 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

How responsible are you for other's lives?
Also, it's blasphemy to suggest that those bible passages, justify your want to commit larceny.
 

Tommy379

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A blind man walks up to Jesus and asks to be healed.

Jesus says "I'm sorry but you're not covered".

I forget what scripture verse that is.
Are you suggesting the government is Jesus.
 

Billyd

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Are you willing to fight me, to take from me what you want?
You don't have anything that I want. My brothers and I fought for you to have what you have for most of our life. I'll leave the remainder of your battle to you and God.
 
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Susanna

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When it comes to healthcare security today, you must be rich, or on a government sponsored plan, if you need it.
The Government sponsored plans don't always address the real issues, even if you are covered. That's why I wish I was rich lol.
 

RickyZ

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Are you willing to fight me, to take from me what you want?
Also, it's blasphemy to suggest that those bible passages, justify your want to commit larceny.
Jesus never said 'take'. He said 'give'. Question is not will someone fight to take from you, it's why is your heart so hard that you're not willing to give?

Are you suggesting the government is Jesus.
No, we are to be like Jesus. And if we truly are like Him our government will be like Him too.