Hundreds evacuated over fire risk homes

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Miri

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This is me paraphrasing as we've had so much news about this.

Following the awful tower block fire - see other thread, http://christianchat.com/christian-news-forum/153967-unpresidented-shocking-tower-block-fire.html



So far 14 other tower blocks across the country have been checked and found to be
clad in similar material following their refirbishment.

Most of them seem to be in London. Camden Council in London apparently,
paid for and requested the fire retardant cladding during refurb, but it seems
the contractors put on the most flammable cheaper kind instead.

Police are conducting criminal investigations to see if man slaughter charges
should be brought and who is liable.

Ps I checked the Council website where I live and all the tower blocks in my city
have been checked and are fine.


Camden flats: Hundreds of homes evacuated over fire risk fears - BBC News
 
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Amazing-Grace

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We have 3 tower blocks here in Plymouth with the same cladding, it is currently being removed but no evacuations as yet.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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:( Why must there always be a disaster before the high and mighty do something about things like this?

Wonder what it will cost to fix it (and to house those who are evacuated), compared to what it would have cost to just do it right / safe at construction time.
 

prove-all

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Britain’s Far Left Attempts ‘Day of Rage’
https://www.thetrumpet.com/15992-britains-far-left-attempts-day-of-rage

the far left has jumped on the fire as a reason to stir up anger against the government.


“It’s a war,” one activist said. “It’s rich against poor right now.”
According to the left, the wealthy conservative government doesn’t care about the poor
—and the wealthy are to blame for the fire. Last weekend, the mfj handed out leaflets
saying that those who died in the tower were “murdered by the rotten capitalist system.”

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On Friday, angry demonstrators stormed Kensington Town Hall—the local government
offices for the area. They found a man in a suit who looked important
and attacked him
.
'Tory councillor' beaten by Grenfell Tower protesters revealed to be volunteer who helped the victims



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Telegraph’sChristopher Booker
and his one-time coauthor Dr. Richard North
both point out that the European Union took control of Britain’s building safety standards back in 1989.
Until Britain is out of the EU, it cannot set its own fire-safety standards without permission from the European Commission.
And the EU has continually prioritized energy efficiency over fire safety. Grenfell Tower was following the EU’s lead.
Grenfell Tower stands as a chilling tombstone to a megalomaniac dream
Booker: Grenfell – the EU dimension


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Yet the fire is being exploited in a sectarian and cynical way to fuel public anger and provoke disorder. Those being unjustly damned for causing the disaster are the Tory government and the rich. In other words, it’s class war.

The protests are being fomented by professional agitators: You only have to look at the quality of the Socialist Worker posters reading “Tories have blood on their hands” to realize these are not spontaneous eruptions of public anger. The Grenfell tragedy is being appropriated as part of a broader and more sinister political strategy. On Saturday, there were further protests across the UK with activists waving placards saying “Defy Tory rule.”

What’s happening is an attempt to stir insurrection on the streets against
the democratically elected Westminster government.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/class-warriors-are-cynically-fanning-the-flames-dft7df2lx

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Corbyn called for the government to
confiscate empty homes in the area owned by the wealthy and use them to rehouse the victims of
the fire.
Jeremy Corbyn urges people to 'occupy' empty homes as supporters plan 'Day of Rage'


He is using this tragedy to try to move the whole country to the left.
Fifty-nine percent said they agreed with his policy
 
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Miri

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It's a strange set of circumstances.

In some cases it appears contractors were paid for the inflammable stuff, but put on the
cheaper stuff. But then you would think the building inspections would notice that.

I should think in some other cases the cheaper stuff was agreed because no one realised
the fire risk.

Unfortunately hindsight doesn't exist and it is seemingly a very common material.

Its like the use of asbestos or even encouraging people to smoke. The effects weren't
known or checked at the time.
 
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Miri

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The so called day of rage, was more like a short walk of rage.
People shouldn't take advantage of such situations to promote their own agenda.
 

prove-all

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"Whatever the reason for the “Day of Rage,” its failure cannot allow us to overlook
what the left tried to do. Britain’s far-left leaders jumped on a catastrophe and tried
to use it to incite violence against the government."
 

Billyd

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Apparently this type of cladding is used in many countries, in some
its banned including in the UK. But it's still manufactured and used.

Ironically, it's due to EU regulations about energy efficiency that the
tower blocks across the country are undergoing these refurbs.


Did EU regulation mean deadly cladding was used on Grenfell Tower? - Your Brexit
What type of material is this stuff? Is it applied as a spray on the outside surface? If it's use is banned in the UK, how did contractors get it into the country?

In my community, we have a building code enforcement office that are on most major construction project sites. Does the UK have an independent group that does this?

From what I have read, the buildings did not have fire suppression systems nor alarms installed. They also lack any type of evacuation plans. Am I correct?

My greatest concern (I'm an engineer) is not only why this happened, or what is proposed to fix it, but how long will it be before every thing gets put aside by another more pressing problem. I pray that it doesn't take another fire to keep the focus on the solution.
 

Billyd

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"Whatever the reason for the “Day of Rage,” its failure cannot allow us to overlook
what the left tried to do. Britain’s far-left leaders jumped on a catastrophe and tried
to use it to incite violence against the government."
Unfortunately, the only way to get the press to cover something is to include violence so it can be blamed on your opposition.
 
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Miri

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What type of material is this stuff? Is it applied as a spray on the outside surface? If it's use is banned in the UK, how did contractors get it into the country?

In my community, we have a building code enforcement office that are on most major construction project sites. Does the UK have an independent group that does this?

From what I have read, the buildings did not have fire suppression systems nor alarms installed. They also lack any type of evacuation plans. Am I correct?

My greatest concern (I'm an engineer) is not only why this happened, or what is proposed to fix it, but how long will it be before every thing gets put aside by another more pressing problem. I pray that it doesn't take another fire to keep the focus on the solution.

Hi Billy I don't know anything about building but does this answer the question.

https://www.dezeen.com/2017/06/19/g...aper-more-flammable-option-architecture-news/

I suspect some buildings have it because it's cheaper.

But some councils say they paid for the expensive inflammable cladding but the
cheaper stuff was put on. So now there are massive investigations to find out what
went wrong and who was responsible. I imagine there will be multiple people
to blame.
 

Agricola

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It's a strange set of circumstances.

In some cases it appears contractors were paid for the inflammable stuff, but put on the
cheaper stuff. But then you would think the building inspections would notice that.

I should think in some other cases the cheaper stuff was agreed because no one realised
the fire risk.

Unfortunately hindsight doesn't exist and it is seemingly a very common material.

Its like the use of asbestos or even encouraging people to smoke. The effects weren't
known or checked at the time.
Building inspectors ignore things and just do an inspection thier office or the sites car park if they are given large enough envolpes filled with money. It is same all over the country, I know a number of builders and also someone who owns an old building and they all say same thing, get things overlooked or speeded up just hand over an envelope with some cash in it.
 

Billyd

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Hi Billy I don't know anything about building but does this answer the question.

https://www.dezeen.com/2017/06/19/g...aper-more-flammable-option-architecture-news/

I suspect some buildings have it because it's cheaper.

But some councils say they paid for the expensive inflammable cladding but the
cheaper stuff was put on. So now there are massive investigations to find out what
went wrong and who was responsible. I imagine there will be multiple people
to blame.
Thanks for the link.

It sounds like it's a case of "greasy palm disease". Someone's palm was greased to look the other way. We have a lot of that here. Sadly many of the greasers and greasees go on to become politicians over here.

I realize that it is going to be an expensive repair project, but I pray that it's completed before another disaster takes place.