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    Default Re: IS THE RAPTURE NEAR : DONT DISMISS THESE SIGNS

    Quote Originally Posted by MattforJesus View Post
    I hear you,for the post tribulation is not true,for look at these scriptures that go against the post tribulation big time,where there is no doubt the post tribulation is false.What are these people thinking that believe in a post tribulation.Where are their heads at,what is their deal.I'm tired of it.

    2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
    2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
    2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
    2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

    The saints cannot be gathered unto Christ until there is a falling away first,which occurs during the first three and one half years of the 7 years period,in which there will be a unified religious system,based on spiritual evolution(1 Timothy 4:1-5),and all religions not compatible will be interpreted that way,and their fundamental beliefs not recognized,and it will be a hate crime to try to convert someone to their religion,punishable in the international criminal court system.

    It wll be the time the world will not want to hear the truth of the Bible,but according to their own lusts,spiritual evolution through nature(2 Timothy 4:2-4),the unified religious system,and a hate crime to try to convert someone to their religion,which is mainly people trying to push their fundamental beliefs that the unified religious system does not recognize,for all are valid with a core truth,and Christianity will rapidly decline in impacting the world with the truth.

    The unified religious system will outrage the religion of Islam,the world and Islam clash,a war happens,and one third of the population of the world dies(Revelation 9:13-21),and the world turns to the man of sin to help them to have peace on earth,and he claims to be God by spiritual evolution through nature,and the falling away first is complete.

    In the middle of the 7 years period,the man of sin claims to be God,and all people that do not love God take the mark of the beast,and repentance,and salvation,is no longer available to them.

    The saints cannot be gathered unto Christ until this happens,let no person deceive you by any means so saith Paul,so saith Jesus to Paul who saith this to us.

    God allows the beast to rule for three and one half years,and the beast makes war against the saints,and prevails against them(Revelation 13:5-10).

    They are given in to his hands for three and one half years(Daniel 7:23-25).

    He shall destroy the mighty and holy people(Daniel 8:23-25).

    And when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people the saints that remain on earth shall be gathered unto Christ(Daniel 12:7).

    So I hear you that the post tribulation is not true,and can be debunked at any time,and at any place,and at any social gathering,any family reunion,anywhere that people meeteth where ever they meeteth,and greeteth.

    Sorry about the sarcasm.You'll live.Sorry about that sarcasm too.
    Ok,take your main deal for example;
    2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
    2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
    2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
    2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

    I also believe the ac will be revealed before the rapture.

    Maybe a week,a month,or a day. It is not clear.
    Then the gathering of the church PRETRIB.
    In fact,I would imagine the saints are all arrested and thrown into several holding facilities. I can even see you guys mocking us ,"ha,ha,we told you!!!! we told you that guy Jesus is not coming!!!"

    Then,wham,he comes for us that are crying out with his word "Come Lord Jesus!!,even so come"

    After reading the rest of your post about 7 years,middle of trib,etc ,you have led me to continue to wonder what you post trib rapture adherents think you are PROVING?????

    Don't worry about sarcasm or anyone getting over it. Concentrate on realistically conveying your position. (your extra biblical deal)

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    Quote Originally Posted by heartofdavid View Post
    Show us one post trib rapture verse.

    Surely you have one to defend your assertion we are deceived?
    Still waiting.......

    I know you post tribbers think you have a total of 2 verses.

    We can start with your 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedeemedGift View Post
    There are no signs for the rapture. Those who look for signs aren't putting their whole focus on Jesus..
    First of all, since the word or term rapture doesn't exist in any Bible or the doctrine behind it, I'd have to agree with you here. The pretrib. rapture is not Scriptural.

    Quote Originally Posted by RedeemedGift View Post
    The bride of Christ isn't appointed to wrath, but that says nothing about the tribulation saints. The tribulation saints will be slaughtered. Only the 144,000 Jewish believers will be sealed by the Spirit..
    We have been baptized into one faith and one baptism; there is only one church. There is no such thing as Jewish believers and tribulations saints or first class Christians and second class, LOL. Non Jewish saints along with converted Jews are all part of the same body of Christ. Paul tells us "He is not a Jew who is one outwardly but one inwardly." You have been indoctrinated with false rapture teachings.
    Quote Originally Posted by RedeemedGift View Post
    If Noah went through the wrath of God with the flood, he would not have survived, would he? Jesus is basically saying that life will be seemingly normal before the wrath of God is revealed with great suddenness, as it was in the days of Noah. Noah and his family were in the ark before the flood came, the world didn't understand and even mocked until it was too late..
    Of course he survived going through it hid in the ark. Don't you know the story of Noah? The wrath of God was poured out on the whole earth. Noah and his family were spared. because he was sealed In the ark as the saints will be sealed in Christ.
    Quote Originally Posted by RedeemedGift View Post
    You cannot go through the wrath of God "protected". What happened to the blood of the lambs that saved the children of Israel from His judgment? Is that not a picture of Christ's blood as the Lamb of God to those who believe? .
    Who told you that? We are not appointed to wrath means we are saved; it doesn't mean raptured from man's persecution or the terror God will bring on the earth. the children of Israel were around when God's wrath was poured out of Pharaoh, but they were not appointed to God's wrath so they were saved in the midst of God's wrath. don't you know the story of the 10 plagues?
    Quote Originally Posted by RedeemedGift View Post
    The church has suffered from man's wrath from the beginning, but God's wrath is something the church has been promised specifically to be saved from.
    I agree, but that doesn't mean you'll be raptured. That is false doctrine. You have no Scripture to support your taught speculations and poor inferences.
    Last edited by Burninglight; July 13th, 2017 at 09:21 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burninglight View Post
    First of all, since the word or term rapture doesn't exist in any Bible or the doctrine behind it, I'd have to agree with you here. The pretrib. rapture is not Scriptural.

    We have been baptized into one faith and one baptism; there is only one church. There is no such thing as Jewish believers and tribulations saints or first class Christians and second class, LOL. Non Jewish saints along with converted Jews are all part of the same body of Christ. Paul tells us "He is not a Jew who is one outwardly but one inwardly." You have been indoctrinated with false rapture teachings.
    Of course he survived going through it hid in the ark. Don't you know the story of Noah? The wrath of God was poured out on the whole earth. Noah and his family were spared. because he was sealed In the ark as the saints will be sealed in Christ.
    Who told you that? We are not appointed to wrath means we are saved; it doesn't mean raptured from man's persecution or the terror God will bring on the earth. the children of Israel were around when God's wrath was poured out of Pharaoh, but they were not appointed to God's wrath so they were saved in the midst of God's wrath. don't you know the story of the 10 plagues?
    I agree, but that doesn't mean you'll be raptured. That is false doctrine. You have no Scripture to support your taught speculations and poor inferences.
    Like you said,you don't know the Noah story.

    He was lifted into the heavens via the flood/ judgement. You know,kinda like the rapture?

    Lot is also a pre judgment / pre trib dynamic.

    You need to drop the post trib fallacy and get real.

    Pssst,you do realize you need a post judgment RETURN AND DELIVERANCE????

    With Noah,as with the pre trib position,Noah returns WITH HIS FAMILY POST TRIB.

    But thanks for bolstering the pretrib rapture with that portion of scripture.

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