the death of Europe

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through various means I ran into Douglas Murray's new book The Strange Death of Europe. What he means by "death" is the loss of Europe's unique culture in that the culture is now becoming something other than what it has traditionally been. I read only a portion of it on books.google.com but watched tons of interviews with him to get the gist of what he's talking about. He's an atheist and that makes what he says in the book more startling. He blames part of the death on the loss of traditions and one of these traditions is traditional Christian belief. One of the things that is leading to Europe's demise is mass immigration of people who do not share the traditional European culture.

I think this, if anything, shows the moral effects of loss of Christian faith. It seems Europe, as a whole, does not have the will power to call good "good" and evil "evil" to the point it's not willing to fight for what it believes in - almost as if it's a patient waiting to die.

While immigrants are bringing about its culture death, Europeans are slowly killing themselves. This is not a surprise. It's been known that Europe is losing its Christian heritage and I've notice that secular liberals, it seems, are becoming more and more obsessed with death to the point they are pushing more of a "death culture" of abortion, infanticide, assisted suicide, and euthanasia. I've written about this recently in my Wordpress article https://thesecularleftcritique.word...o-life-and-death-the-liberal-left-is-immoral/ but for part of it I lean on a Newsweek article that is absolutely terrifying.

Winston Ross' article at http://www.newsweek.com/2015/02/20/choosing-die-netherlands-euthanasia-debate-306223.html details the Netherlands experience with Euthanasia and it seems more and more people are becoming used to not fighting through life but deciding to die instead. Here's one of the more shocking quotes in the Newsweek article:

[FONT=&quot]Another key factor: It’s getting easier each year to qualify for euthanasia. In the beginning, most of those eligible were terminally ill. Now doctors are helping people die if they no longer want to bear depression, autism, blindness or even being dependent on the care of others. “There are increasing numbers of double euthanasia—one of the partners is terminal and the other partner is care-dependent, they don’t want to live alone,” says Boer. One in 10 of the past 500 dossiers he has read contains some reference to “loneliness,” he adds. “Those are the cases where I have become increasingly uneasy.

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What is even more scary is that in American culture where there's thought of single payer health care, the government will be in charge of who gets care and who does not. With the costs going up, the pressure will be to get more people to accept early death in order to balance our budget and that involves coercing people to want to die much like the experience in Holland. I firmly believe that we could at some point see politicians claiming we have universal health care for all while those same people benefiting from the health care are being coerced to die!

Shocking isn't it?


 
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gb9

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there is some vids on youtube of the streets of paris. so sad to see that great city looking more like the giant flea market 20 miles from home than one of the world's great cities.
 
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Years ago... probably around 2010, I heard a featured guest on a radio show speaking about how the wealthy elite of the world have been planning for some time to drastically reduce earth's population because they feel that overpopulation is the root of all the problems facing the human race (poverty, disease, pollution, etc..)... And they've been secretly meeting over the years to come up with ways to do it...

Remember the bird flu, the swine flu, aids, sars and the ebola virus? Those may have been created in labs and introduced via animals which would pass the disease onto humans. They always seem to trace the origins back to some wild animals but they dont go as far as to find out where the animals got it from...

Anyway... could it be that this devolution of Europe was planned all along by some wealthy masterminds who want to reduce the population? They have a name, these secret, elite wealthy schemers... and it is illuminati.

Yes, call it crazy or whatever, but the things that have happened over the last several years seem to support this sinister theory.
 

Desdichado

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The sad part is a few brave souls (very few) have been saying this since 9/12/2017, and people shut them off as racist or crazy. Douglas Murray is one of them, but I think the guy who had it most right at the time with Mark Steyn.

Reading his similar text America Alone is almost like reading prophecy. Some people who called him a madman at the time have changed their tune.
 

Billyd

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Europe lost it's identity over forty years ago. The EU was the epitaph.
 

Desdichado

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40 years ago? You're generous. I'd say it really went downhill starting with WWI.

Europe lost it's identity over forty years ago. The EU was the epitaph.
 

Billyd

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40 years ago? You're generous. I'd say it really went downhill starting with WWI.
you're probably right. My first visit was in the early sixties, and my last visit was in the mid seventies. Most of the Europe I experienced in the sixties was gone by the mid seventies.
 

Desdichado

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I would love to have visited Europe at the time.

you're probably right. My first visit was in the early sixties, and my last visit was in the mid seventies. Most of the Europe I experienced in the sixties was gone by the mid seventies.
 

Desdichado

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It's also a highly debatable. I'll bet we're both right in different ways :)

That's rare of me to say.
 

wolfwint

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through various means I ran into Douglas Murray's new book The Strange Death of Europe. What he means by "death" is the loss of Europe's unique culture in that the culture is now becoming something other than what it has traditionally been. I read only a portion of it on books.google.com but watched tons of interviews with him to get the gist of what he's talking about. He's an atheist and that makes what he says in the book more startling. He blames part of the death on the loss of traditions and one of these traditions is traditional Christian belief. One of the things that is leading to Europe's demise is mass immigration of people who do not share the traditional European culture.

I think this, if anything, shows the moral effects of loss of Christian faith. It seems Europe, as a whole, does not have the will power to call good "good" and evil "evil" to the point it's not willing to fight for what it believes in - almost as if it's a patient waiting to die.

While immigrants are bringing about its culture death, Europeans are slowly killing themselves. This is not a surprise. It's been known that Europe is losing its Christian heritage and I've notice that secular liberals, it seems, are becoming more and more obsessed with death to the point they are pushing more of a "death culture" of abortion, infanticide, assisted suicide, and euthanasia. I've written about this recently in my Wordpress article https://thesecularleftcritique.word...o-life-and-death-the-liberal-left-is-immoral/ but for part of it I lean on a Newsweek article that is absolutely terrifying.

Winston Ross' article at http://www.newsweek.com/2015/02/20/choosing-die-netherlands-euthanasia-debate-306223.html details the Netherlands experience with Euthanasia and it seems more and more people are becoming used to not fighting through life but deciding to die instead. Here's one of the more shocking quotes in the Newsweek article:

[FONT=&quot]Another key factor: It’s getting easier each year to qualify for euthanasia. In the beginning, most of those eligible were terminally ill. Now doctors are helping people die if they no longer want to bear depression, autism, blindness or even being dependent on the care of others. “There are increasing numbers of double euthanasia—one of the partners is terminal and the other partner is care-dependent, they don’t want to live alone,” says Boer. One in 10 of the past 500 dossiers he has read contains some reference to “loneliness,” he adds. “Those are the cases where I have become increasingly uneasy.

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What is even more scary is that in American culture where there's thought of single payer health care, the government will be in charge of who gets care and who does not. With the costs going up, the pressure will be to get more people to accept early death in order to balance our budget and that involves coercing people to want to die much like the experience in Holland. I firmly believe that we could at some point see politicians claiming we have universal health care for all while those same people benefiting from the health care are being coerced to die!

Shocking isn't it?


Imigration from other cultures is secondär. The main Problem is that, not only in Europe, that the human lives without His creator! What you expect from God less people? We have endtime and the time that our Lord will return is coming nearer and nearer.
 

Dude653

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It's been predicted that by 2050 Islam will have taken over Europe. The problem is that Muslim immigration is higher than European birth rates
 
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wwjd_kilden

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and how is this different from what is going on in the US? :p

Yeah, we have lost much of our Christian culture. Not to immigrants, but to militant atheists.
 

Tommy379

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It's been predicted that by 2050 Islam will have taken over Europe. The problem is that Muslim immigration is higher than European birth rates
And muslims have a much higher birthrate.
 

Tommy379

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and how is this different from what is going on in the US? :p

Yeah, we have lost much of our Christian culture. Not to immigrants, but to militant atheists.
And that's why the mohamedans will take over.

Jihad ain't all about violence. The "peaceful " ones are in on it.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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And that's why the mohamedans will take over.

Jihad ain't all about violence. The "peaceful " ones are in on it.
I am talking about Norwegian atheists though.
(Most of them fear Muslims more than you guys do)
 

Magenta

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and how is this different from what is going on in the US? :p

Yeah, we have lost much of our Christian culture. Not to immigrants, but to militant atheists.
... and secular humanists. The immigrants are coming and agitating for Sharia as we speak. The US is much bigger than any European country though. And they have Trump, who has stood up and taken a stand against the encroachment of Islam in America.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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... and secular humanists. The immigrants are coming and agitating for Sharia as we speak. The US is much bigger than any European country though. And they have Trump, who has stood up and taken a stand against the encroachment of Islam in America.
Now those are the scary ones in my opinion
 
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and how is this different from what is going on in the US? :p

Yeah, we have lost much of our Christian culture. Not to immigrants, but to militant atheists.
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what's the difference???