Woman Who Badgered Boyfriend into Suicide Gets 15 months in Jail

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Yes, it's just a slap on the wrist, but what good will the vindictiveness of a long sentence really do?
 
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Goes to show human life isn't valued as it should be. Not only should she be in prison longer but she needs to be put in a center to treat her mental health issues before placing her back out into society.
 

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I'd agree if this particular case wasn't specific to sociopaths whose attitudes can't be changed by a threat. I'm honestly not sure what a fair sentence is for what that girl did because of how strange it is legally. But I guess now there's a standard, ~2 year jail time if you persuade someone to commit suicide.
 
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I'd agree if this particular case wasn't specific to sociopaths whose attitudes can't be changed by a threat. I'm honestly not sure what a fair sentence is for what that girl did because of how strange it is legally. But I guess now there's a standard, ~2 year jail time if you persuade someone to commit suicide.
To be fair, we don't know if she was a sociopath. A sociopath is someone who either can't feel guilt or does so to such a diminished degree that the cases where they do feel guilt are almost negligent. I agree she did a monstrous thing and deserves more than 15 months (bolding this because I know some people might conveniently not see this sentence). But, if it's true she was dealing with depression and other mental health issues, those could affect her view of suicide. I've struggled with depression as long as I can remember and, at my worst, I could genuinely understand why suicide would be considered the only option. Now, I'd never have tried to convince anyone else to commit suicide and if I knew someone was contemplating it, I would have reported it. But I could see how those might cloud her thinking; the mere fact that she badgered him into committing suicide doesn't means she's a sociopath. Maybe she genuinely believed he was better off. However, the problem is of course that sociopaths are excellent liars so she could have faked guilt to make the judge believe her reasoning was inhibited by her mental health.
 
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Goes to show human life isn't valued as it should be. Not only should she be in prison longer but she needs to be put in a center to treat her mental health issues before placing her back out into society.
The last part, I agree with wholeheartedly. But, what is your rationale for a lengthy prison sentence prior to treatment?
 
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Goes to show human life isn't valued as it should be. Not only should she be in prison longer but she needs to be put in a center to treat her mental health issues before placing her back out into society.
Teenagers, particularly girls, are the epitome of manipulation and cruelty. There's no excuse for her behaviour at all. She should be given the life sentence that she quite openly, handed another soul.
 
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She is without God. Thats what we do when we haven't got him.. She deserves what the system deems fair and as for her end or death that is up to God alone. Are you so holy that be saved was due you?
Teenagers, particularly girls, are the epitome of manipulation and cruelty. There's no excuse for her behaviour at all. She should be given the life sentence that she quite openly, handed another soul.
 
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Threads like this are trash. It isn't our job to sit and talk about what someone deserves as if we hold the scales in perfection
 
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Threads like this are trash. It isn't our job to sit and talk about what someone deserves as if we hold the scales in perfection
No, but it behooves all of us to sit and talk about things like this.
 
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Sinners sin.. Why are people still amazed at the depths they go to? .. Without God you do nothing right. Its floors me to read this stuff.
 
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Not when it produces nothing edifying
So, produce something edifying. I think I have. I began by saying I see no use in a lengthy prison sentence for something like this. I said I think she should be in confined, not necessarily protracted, treatment right now.
 
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To be fair, we don't know if she was a sociopath. A sociopath is someone who either can't feel guilt or does so to such a diminished degree that the cases where they do feel guilt are almost negligent. I agree she did a monstrous thing and deserves more than 15 months (bolding this because I know some people might conveniently not see this sentence). But, if it's true she was dealing with depression and other mental health issues, those could affect her view of suicide. I've struggled with depression as long as I can remember and, at my worst, I could genuinely understand why suicide would be considered the only option. Now, I'd never have tried to convince anyone else to commit suicide and if I knew someone was contemplating it, I would have reported it. But I could see how those might cloud her thinking; the mere fact that she badgered him into committing suicide doesn't means she's a sociopath. Maybe she genuinely believed he was better off. However, the problem is of course that sociopaths are excellent liars so she could have faked guilt to make the judge believe her reasoning was inhibited by her mental health.
Right, I don't know if she is a sociopath or not. But just using my judgment (and extremely limited information based on what she said) it seems like she didn't care whether her boyfriend killed himself and she was more so frustrated with his self-pity. I think his complaining irritated her, and she flipped into an aggressive mindset that just wanted to force a conclusion to the whole thing even if that meant his death.

Medically sociopathic, yeah maybe not. But she definitely has sociopathic tendencies, and attitudes aren't something that the legal system can change. This was on the lines of accessory to a murder - but since suicide isn't murder, the court was in a bind here and had to settle for a manslaughter charge (which I'm not sure if I agree or not)...

Weird, weird case.
 
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She is without God. Thats what we do when we haven't got him.. She deserves what the system deems fair and as for her end or death that is up to God alone. Are you so holy that be saved was due you?

There's nothing about what I've stated that suggests I'm beyond reproach at all. You've taken it to an extreme with the comparison you've made for the sake of an emotional claim. When you work with teenage girls as I do, you see the bullying that is rife and you're part of the system that requests your observations and reports which go to court, then absolutely you can speculate with an opinion. You don't need to jump up and down crying 'WELL YOU'RE NOT PERFECT HOW DARE YOU HAVE AN OPINION!!!'.

The idea that you've postulated that if someone doesn't know God, if someone isn't a basic believer, then they're not to be held accountable, as how could they possibly have known any better, is absolutely ludicrous. A believer or not, someone of that age is well rehearsed in bullying from the school system and knows exactly what emergency number to defer those in need too. That criminal's divisive plan that she facilitated is not to be excused because she's not a believer, that's just a deluded excuse. On your judgement alone shall we now excuse everyone who's not a believer of their crimes?

There's no such suggestion of perfection at all on my part for myself. It comes from an educated and experienced perspective of the psychology of that gender in that age group, what they're capable of doing and how far reaching the consequences of their behaviour are with the victims on the end of them that I've seen first hand.