why liberals just kinda like Islam

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I, like other conservatives, have often wondered why some, but not all, liberals feel apologetic toward Islam. Despite the numerous Muslims that commit atrocities in the name of their beliefs, that Islam beliefs might be evil is never accepted and is always denied. It's just moderate Muslims, they say, and often conservatives and Republicans falls for this same trick. The question is "why"?

I've got some theories and not all of them are true at one time. You may not have heard of some of these, and let me know if you have not heard my ideas expressed this way.

1. Liberal apologists deep down know Islam is bad, but not just any bad. I"m talking about the big bad. I'm talking about the kind of bad that brings about Armageddon. I have also found numerous similarities between Islam beliefs and some events detailed in prophecy. If Islam was the kind of religion that brings about events of Biblical proportion, then the Bible is confirmed, and that's one thing liberals do not want to happen. They have a need to deny Islam is the big bad.

2. Liberal philosophy can't believe that people in general are bad/sinful as the Bible says. They want to believe the fault lies with human social systems. They won't believe that Muslims would choose a bad system because people, when they can, won't choose bad things. Some will choose bad things and that's easier to believe than believing all Muslims are bad.

3. Another reason - and this pains me to say it - is that some liberals admire Islam because (let's face it) Islam gets results. Remember that Islam was spread initially by the sword. What better way to achieve liberal aims but to do it by force. But, however, there is a problem in America. People choose to abide by laws and customs and the constitution, but Sharia law would bypass all that and eliminate people who oppose liberal goals and ideals. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

4. Liberals oppose Christian conservatives in every way possible even if they are correct. If some Christians say the sky is blue some liberals would argue against that and say it's an unconstitutional mixing of meteorology and religion.
 
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As someone who is very liberal i think that your outlook is very misguided its not that we look up to islam in any way lol there are bad people in every category there are bad muslims just like there are bad christians but there are also lots of good muslims like good christians. All people have the ability to be good god gave us free choice to make these kind of decisions no matter religion.
 

Desdichado

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I think this is a fair example of how not every liberal is a Marxist.

I may disagree with his judgment of the facts and, perhaps, his criteria, but he doesn't harbor a particular disdain for his culture or love for Islam.

As someone who is very liberal i think that your outlook is very misguided its not that we look up to islam in any way lol there are bad people in every category there are bad muslims just like there are bad christians but there are also lots of good muslims like good christians. All people have the ability to be good god gave us free choice to make these kind of decisions no matter religion.
 

Calmador

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I, like other conservatives, have often wondered why some, but not all, liberals feel apologetic toward Islam. Despite the numerous Muslims that commit atrocities in the name of their beliefs, that Islam beliefs might be evil is never accepted and is always denied. It's just moderate Muslims, they say, and often conservatives and Republicans falls for this same trick. The question is "why"?

I've got some theories and not all of them are true at one time. You may not have heard of some of these, and let me know if you have not heard my ideas expressed this way.

1. Liberal apologists deep down know Islam is bad, but not just any bad. I"m talking about the big bad. I'm talking about the kind of bad that brings about Armageddon. I have also found numerous similarities between Islam beliefs and some events detailed in prophecy. If Islam was the kind of religion that brings about events of Biblical proportion, then the Bible is confirmed, and that's one thing liberals do not want to happen. They have a need to deny Islam is the big bad.

2. Liberal philosophy can't believe that people in general are bad/sinful as the Bible says. They want to believe the fault lies with human social systems. They won't believe that Muslims would choose a bad system because people, when they can, won't choose bad things. Some will choose bad things and that's easier to believe than believing all Muslims are bad.

3. Another reason - and this pains me to say it - is that some liberals admire Islam because (let's face it) Islam gets results. Remember that Islam was spread initially by the sword. What better way to achieve liberal aims but to do it by force. But, however, there is a problem in America. People choose to abide by laws and customs and the constitution, but Sharia law would bypass all that and eliminate people who oppose liberal goals and ideals. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

4. Liberals oppose Christian conservatives in every way possible even if they are correct. If some Christians say the sky is blue some liberals would argue against that and say it's an unconstitutional mixing of meteorology and religion.
I think it's only reason # 2 and # 4.

They cannot view minorities as evil. Most Muslims are brown skinned people and if they have to choose between taking a side, it'll be the minority. That is essentially racist and I believe that's their bias.
 

Desdichado

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Jordan Peterson made a good case for #3. At least as far as Feminism is concerned.

I'll try and find the video.
 

Yeraza_Bats

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I agree that those in high positions on the left are actually aware of how dangerous Islam is, and are aware of the violent message in the quran and hadith, but try to lead people to believe its just like Christianity and actually teaches its followers to love everyone and that violence is wrong and all that in order to keep some kinda "crowd control" in order to keep Islam from getting worse. Or "extremists on the right" who they believe will go out killing Muslims, as Im sure they believe that will happen, too. I mean any person whos actually looked into Islam and what it teaches can easily find the kinda teachings that lead people to kill in the name of allah, so of course there would have to be those in high positions who know about it.

And maybe they really dont, maybe they just assume "its like Christianity" with history recorded in their quran, even the violent stuff, but other than that its teachings just mirror the teachings of Christ.

As for regular people on the left, I think its that they believe Muslims are a "minority" that needs to be protected. I mean youll often hear critics of Islam being called "racists", so I think its safe to say that they dont understand that Islam is a religion and believe that Muslims are a race of people being persecuted by the west and need their protection.

Ive noticed that the majority of people who feel the need to defend Islam dont really know much about it, though. And Ive seen people who used to defend the teachings of Islam make a switch after they actually learned what Islam actually teaches.
 

p_rehbein

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As you state you are "very liberal," how exactly do you also profess to be a Christian? Really curious about that. Being well aware of the "Liberal Agenda," I find it hard to believe one can support their Agenda AND claim to be a Christian. Well, I suppose they can CLAIM to be...........but.......

I know Democrats who are Christians, but I would not describe them as "very liberal." More like "Blue Dog" Democrats, or conservative Democrats.

As someone who is very liberal i think that your outlook is very misguided its not that we look up to islam in any way lol there are bad people in every category there are bad muslims just like there are bad christians but there are also lots of good muslims like good christians. All people have the ability to be good god gave us free choice to make these kind of decisions no matter religion.
 

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For the most part, they are against discrimination. With that said liberals seem to be blind about the threat Islamic terrorists are.
 

Yeraza_Bats

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For the most part, they are against discrimination. With that said liberals seem to be blind about the threat Islamic terrorists are.
Id say theyre pretty selective about what discrimination they are against.
 

peacenik

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"Islam is peace" ~ in this I am quoting conservative George Bush


Like him, conservative Trump is also a big friend to Saudis: https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/trump-administration-sells-out-america-to-saudi-arabia


All too often on this forum, liberals constantly come under attack for their views on Islam and Islamic governments. This one sided view fails to note that conservative politicians have done far more to strengthen those same governments. I suggest that a more balanced approach is in order.
 
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'Nothing has changed'!, only what Jesus has put inside of our hearts,..
 
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I think they embrace islam because they know islam hates christians and jews just like they do.
 
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For the most part, they are against discrimination. With that said liberals seem to be blind about the threat Islamic terrorists are.
Discrimination is alive and well among liberals.
When a white male is given preference because he is a white male, that is discrimination, and that is what liberals rightly complain about.
But they ignore the fact that when a black man is given preference because he is black, is also discrimination.
But they call it justice.
The same can be said of women or any group other than white men.
To discriminate for any reason is wrong.
 

Adstar

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I, like other conservatives, have often wondered why some, but not all, liberals feel apologetic toward Islam. Despite the numerous Muslims that commit atrocities in the name of their beliefs, that Islam beliefs might be evil is never accepted and is always denied. It's just moderate Muslims, they say, and often conservatives and Republicans falls for this same trick. The question is "why"?

I've got some theories and not all of them are true at one time. You may not have heard of some of these, and let me know if you have not heard my ideas expressed this way.

1. Liberal apologists deep down know Islam is bad, but not just any bad. I"m talking about the big bad. I'm talking about the kind of bad that brings about Armageddon. I have also found numerous similarities between Islam beliefs and some events detailed in prophecy. If Islam was the kind of religion that brings about events of Biblical proportion, then the Bible is confirmed, and that's one thing liberals do not want to happen. They have a need to deny Islam is the big bad.

2. Liberal philosophy can't believe that people in general are bad/sinful as the Bible says. They want to believe the fault lies with human social systems. They won't believe that Muslims would choose a bad system because people, when they can, won't choose bad things. Some will choose bad things and that's easier to believe than believing all Muslims are bad.

3. Another reason - and this pains me to say it - is that some liberals admire Islam because (let's face it) Islam gets results. Remember that Islam was spread initially by the sword. What better way to achieve liberal aims but to do it by force. But, however, there is a problem in America. People choose to abide by laws and customs and the constitution, but Sharia law would bypass all that and eliminate people who oppose liberal goals and ideals. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

4. Liberals oppose Christian conservatives in every way possible even if they are correct. If some Christians say the sky is blue some liberals would argue against that and say it's an unconstitutional mixing of meteorology and religion.
Both Liberal leftist feminists and Islam are desirous for the destruction of Western judeo Christian civilization. The feminists see muslims as allies in their war against western patriarchy and for them Islam is an ally because the enemy of my enemy is my friend.. To the muslim Jihadists Liberal leftist and feminists are useful idiots which they tolerate because they weaken their Judaeo Christian enemies... As soon as it is deemed by Islamist jihadists that the western world has been sufficiently weakened then they will turn upon their liberal leftist feminist allies and slaughter them because they are unbelieving Kufars in their minds worthy of death..

When the time comes i predict that many of these people will simply convert to islam and put on their burkas and submit.. Because deep down these leftists liberal and feminists are weak willed people..
 

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As someone who is very liberal i think that your outlook is very misguided its not that we look up to islam in any way lol there are bad people in every category there are bad muslims just like there are bad christians but there are also lots of good muslims like good christians. All people have the ability to be good god gave us free choice to make these kind of decisions no matter religion.
You are delusional.. You need to investigate islam...
 

Dude653

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I'm at a loss for why liberals support a religion that is known worldwide for human rights atrocities
 
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Maybe...just maybe.....
People don't like Islam but they RESPECT it?....
I mean....we do live in a country with free choice of religion so they have every right to be a Muslim as we do Christians.
There are just as many, maybe more awful Christians than Muslims. Let's be real here
 

Desdichado

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The last I checked, Christians do not advocate genital mutilation, honor killing, or summary executions.

I mean I'm sure there is one or two out there, but please. Islamic cultures are barbarous by our standards. We just choose to look the other way because of white guilt.

There are just as many, maybe more awful Christians than Muslims. Let's be real here
 
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The last I checked, Christians do not advocate genital mutilation, honor killing, or summary executions.

I mean I'm sure there is one or two out there, but please. Islamic cultures are barbarous by our standards. We just choose to look the other way because of white guilt.

Oh really?
What about that Baptist Church? I'm sure there are many many many other instances where Christians honor killing

There are bad Christians and there are bad Muslims.
 

Desdichado

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Your rebuttal is a reference to one crazed Baptist church you don't even bother to specify.

I can list entire countries where this stuff is a way of life:

Somalia
Syria
Iraq
Pakistan
Afghanistan
Nigeria (a portion of it anyhow)
Egypt
Saudi Arabia
Etc.

They built a house upon sand and expanded that house by the sword for hundreds of years.


Oh really?
What about that Baptist Church? I'm sure there are many many many other instances where Christians honor killing

There are bad Christians and there are bad Muslims.