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Do not assume you know my heart, it is not that I don't care how you or how you feel about this I simply am responding to your questioning and if you get something from it that you think is the truth that is your decision to make but I am not above being questioned and I don't expect people to take what i say as truth in fact i often times have said to people to always take anything said with a grain of salt if I am in the wrong in what i say then I am willing to learn correction does not make anyone my friend or enemy and I think you should be careful in thinking you have me figured out.
You asked me about my references and and about my studies but do you know how long it would take and how exhausting it would be to take my journal out and type in all the information on a single page alone? For instance the blood moon tetrad was one that I was studying a while back and the blood moons symbolism to the Jews and the fact they landed on holy days was one place I began I then wanted to find out the meaning and symbolism and purpose of the holidays and feasts themselves eafterwards i would have to Find out what these meant to the world prophetically and all through out the bible these things are repeated but only in a certain way on a certain timeline and events that followed always affected Israel or the jews in some way or form it is a lot to write down because I don't use an online bible for this and I like to be able to write down my work.
As for history I am sure you know how Israel came reclaim it's land in 1949 right? Did you also know that ever since then Israel has had enemies on all sides going after it's land? It is no surprise that People want to divide it but This is the land that was promised to them and Israel has always been a major factor in bible prophecy and I think if we want to understand the times better we should look at Israel. When the blood moon tetrads happened they all landed on specific Jeweish holidays and the fact that a blood moon has always symbolized an omen to them and that they all landed on specific Holy days is extremely profound and yes the end times started when the times of the apostles began but it was when Israel became a nation again and reclaimed it's land that earthquakes and natural disasters began to arise more frequently and events that were spoken of in the bible that were said to happen began to speed up. in fact ever since then knowledge has increased and technology began to advance more rapidly. Look at the movies made forty years ago to now the difference is astounding.
It took me this long just to type this imagine how long it would take to type all my findings on here, as for sources like I said i mainly use my bible and my history book U.S history 101 but I do watch some videos and I even watch documenteries on netflix. And as for your other questions I don't think the word should is appropriate for asking about going top college not every persons path is the same some people can go to college even a bible college and get a degree in it but some who are uneducated are given more insight into God's word than that of a scholar it is never a set in stone decisions I think they should wait and ask God whether to go or not. And bible study is an interesting topic i have enjoyed, many ask how to do it but there is not any one way to correctly do it, some people like to use commnetaries with their study others like to listen to the word instead of actually reading it which myself have tried i found that by listening to it in audio instead of reading it I gained insight into something I wouldn't have expected from reading it.
One Thing I always say to people in reading the bible though is to always do so with a teachable heart because if one goes into it with their own views and doctrines and beliefs set in stone that is all they will see in the scriptures and will be blind to anything else so even if the truth they are seeking is there they will be blind to it.
As for if a person should learn from others to check and balance their findings the answer is yes, if one cannot learn from others then how can they learn from God? I have had to be taught and corrected by others here plenty of times in fact Angela is one whom i learned much from especially in the beginning of my faith and my respect for her as both a teacher and a pastor is deep however I do disagree about the rapture not existing but that is my own view.
You asked me about my references and and about my studies but do you know how long it would take and how exhausting it would be to take my journal out and type in all the information on a single page alone? For instance the blood moon tetrad was one that I was studying a while back and the blood moons symbolism to the Jews and the fact they landed on holy days was one place I began I then wanted to find out the meaning and symbolism and purpose of the holidays and feasts themselves eafterwards i would have to Find out what these meant to the world prophetically and all through out the bible these things are repeated but only in a certain way on a certain timeline and events that followed always affected Israel or the jews in some way or form it is a lot to write down because I don't use an online bible for this and I like to be able to write down my work.
As for history I am sure you know how Israel came reclaim it's land in 1949 right? Did you also know that ever since then Israel has had enemies on all sides going after it's land? It is no surprise that People want to divide it but This is the land that was promised to them and Israel has always been a major factor in bible prophecy and I think if we want to understand the times better we should look at Israel. When the blood moon tetrads happened they all landed on specific Jeweish holidays and the fact that a blood moon has always symbolized an omen to them and that they all landed on specific Holy days is extremely profound and yes the end times started when the times of the apostles began but it was when Israel became a nation again and reclaimed it's land that earthquakes and natural disasters began to arise more frequently and events that were spoken of in the bible that were said to happen began to speed up. in fact ever since then knowledge has increased and technology began to advance more rapidly. Look at the movies made forty years ago to now the difference is astounding.
It took me this long just to type this imagine how long it would take to type all my findings on here, as for sources like I said i mainly use my bible and my history book U.S history 101 but I do watch some videos and I even watch documenteries on netflix. And as for your other questions I don't think the word should is appropriate for asking about going top college not every persons path is the same some people can go to college even a bible college and get a degree in it but some who are uneducated are given more insight into God's word than that of a scholar it is never a set in stone decisions I think they should wait and ask God whether to go or not. And bible study is an interesting topic i have enjoyed, many ask how to do it but there is not any one way to correctly do it, some people like to use commnetaries with their study others like to listen to the word instead of actually reading it which myself have tried i found that by listening to it in audio instead of reading it I gained insight into something I wouldn't have expected from reading it.
One Thing I always say to people in reading the bible though is to always do so with a teachable heart because if one goes into it with their own views and doctrines and beliefs set in stone that is all they will see in the scriptures and will be blind to anything else so even if the truth they are seeking is there they will be blind to it.
As for if a person should learn from others to check and balance their findings the answer is yes, if one cannot learn from others then how can they learn from God? I have had to be taught and corrected by others here plenty of times in fact Angela is one whom i learned much from especially in the beginning of my faith and my respect for her as both a teacher and a pastor is deep however I do disagree about the rapture not existing but that is my own view.
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Preacher, we were sent here to meddle and to built-up mettle, what can we say?
NOT BELIEVING that one is being scolded, doesn't mean that they are 'backing-down'...
mostly it means that they are not mature enough to humble themselves,,.,not picking you
out specifically...we know what a greal goal and achievement this can be ourselves...
Yes, Jesus has shown us a big part of your heart through your many words, and yes, we do love you
in spite of some of the things that are evident...we are all different, and that was Jesus' choice,.
to bless each and every one of us with our own 'piece of Him', the part that separated us from.
the rest of His animals.
people can say what ever that want to us, about us, whether their hairs are standing up straight or whether
their hearts have been touched, either way, it's their business, we never need ask them...
please remember Blain's age and where you were then! This is not an insult Blain, Hub and I are
often amazed at your understanding and words...
Preacher, we were sent here to meddle and to built-up mettle, what can we say?
NOT BELIEVING that one is being scolded, doesn't mean that they are 'backing-down'...
mostly it means that they are not mature enough to humble themselves,,.,not picking you
out specifically...we know what a greal goal and achievement this can be ourselves...
Yes, Jesus has shown us a big part of your heart through your many words, and yes, we do love you
in spite of some of the things that are evident...we are all different, and that was Jesus' choice,.
to bless each and every one of us with our own 'piece of Him', the part that separated us from.
the rest of His animals.
people can say what ever that want to us, about us, whether their hairs are standing up straight or whether
their hearts have been touched, either way, it's their business, we never need ask them...
please remember Blain's age and where you were then! This is not an insult Blain, Hub and I are
often amazed at your understanding and words...
Thank you for your words of insight towards both preach and I. I am not above being asked about what I say and believe and will give evidence that I can. i like how you mentioned that God gave a bit of his heart and how we are intentionally different after all look at the human body, we have different parts of the body that serve different purposes it doesn't make one above the other it just means they are built for a certain job.
I still have much to learn and i do sometimes worry i am to open with any dream or vision I am given so I will try to ease up on that for preachers benefit and others who feel the same
I still have much to learn and i do sometimes worry i am to open with any dream or vision I am given so I will try to ease up on that for preachers benefit and others who feel the same
choose wisely, don't straddle the fence, there's only ONE WAY/WORD
that we must follow...don't forget what it says about the 'Last-Days',
about many coming in His Name, saying, YES, HE IS THE CHRIST!, yet
they don't serve Him at all, they are part of the 'counterfeits-clubs',
they do what they are bid, and just keep on feeding from those who
are in need, but instead, they are asked/told to give from the purse...
that we must follow...don't forget what it says about the 'Last-Days',
about many coming in His Name, saying, YES, HE IS THE CHRIST!, yet
they don't serve Him at all, they are part of the 'counterfeits-clubs',
they do what they are bid, and just keep on feeding from those who
are in need, but instead, they are asked/told to give from the purse...
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Pardon me if I misunderstood, but comparing these 2 quotes of yours, it does seem like you are implying that anyone not believing in the rapture, is going to be left behind. Following the logical conclusion that, according to your eschatology, that ONLY believers are "taken" in this rapture, then ONLY the lost will be left behind. At least, that is what I have read AND studied in theology class and books. (Yes, I will share titles, if anyone wants but probably tomorrow, not today!)
So are you saying, if I don't believe in this so-called unbiblical rapture, that even IF I am saved, I won't be raptured? Not that I am at all worried, as again, you have failed to produce a single verse where the word "rapture" as a noun, is present. Plus, not sure how well you know my posts, but be prepared to discuss this in Greek, if you try and present any fast and loose verses.
Oh, I am pretty sure I have been a person who has always been against the rapture in every thread it has come up in! But what I dislike is the implication that eschatology determine salvation, and looking at these 2 posts again, I'm sure that is what you said!
Salvation is by grace, not end times views. As a fellow seminarian said, hilarious how anyone could think what is basically a guess could be responsible for whether we are saved. Especially dispensational eschatology, which is just a total and absolute fiction.
First, there is no THE tribulation in the Bible. That is made up by dispensationalists, whom you obviously have studied. If you had read the Bible for yourself, you would know there is no place the definite article appears before the word tribulation in the NT!
Second, don't forget I have also studied this topic! There is no place where the word rapture appears in the Bible. But, for argument's sake, let's pretend it is actually there in 1 Thess 4:17. A snatch or seizing is something rapid. Everybody knows it happened. Supposedly, following dispensational logic, one minute believers are there, the next minute they are not! Yet you want to maintain the eclipse was a "sign?" The rapture either happened, or it didn't, no in between!
Plus, you have now tied your fictitious rapture to your fictitious tribulation with this statement. So, you state that a sign of a total solar eclipse, only in the USA, I might add, is a "sign" of a rapture. And yet no one, not even dispies are gone. And if there has been NO rapture, then certainly "the" tribulation has not started, according to dispensational beliefs of, what was it you said? "Many" who believe?
So, either this is something unique to you, which you figured out on you own reading the Bible, a secret rapture, so secret that only a sign is given, and no one is actually raptured, starting a tribulation where no trials have started, or, you are naive, as I previously stated, believing charlatans and liars, and the sincerely deceived "many."
Which is it? Many or you? A rapture that isn't, a [the] tribulation that isn't, or, do you need to go think this through a bit more?
Second, don't forget I have also studied this topic! There is no place where the word rapture appears in the Bible. But, for argument's sake, let's pretend it is actually there in 1 Thess 4:17. A snatch or seizing is something rapid. Everybody knows it happened. Supposedly, following dispensational logic, one minute believers are there, the next minute they are not! Yet you want to maintain the eclipse was a "sign?" The rapture either happened, or it didn't, no in between!
Plus, you have now tied your fictitious rapture to your fictitious tribulation with this statement. So, you state that a sign of a total solar eclipse, only in the USA, I might add, is a "sign" of a rapture. And yet no one, not even dispies are gone. And if there has been NO rapture, then certainly "the" tribulation has not started, according to dispensational beliefs of, what was it you said? "Many" who believe?
So, either this is something unique to you, which you figured out on you own reading the Bible, a secret rapture, so secret that only a sign is given, and no one is actually raptured, starting a tribulation where no trials have started, or, you are naive, as I previously stated, believing charlatans and liars, and the sincerely deceived "many."
Which is it? Many or you? A rapture that isn't, a [the] tribulation that isn't, or, do you need to go think this through a bit more?
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"For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short"
With the scripture above, you are already found to be proven wrong. The great tribulation begins from the setting up of the abomination in the future temple in Jerusalem. I don't know why you would say that there is no tribulation in Bible. Yet there it is right there in Matt.24:21-22.
The entire tribulation period, i.e. the time of God's wrath via the establishing of that last seven years, including the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, makes up the entire tribulation period. The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, including the plagues of the two witnesses, will be the fulfillment of the day of the Lord.
Obviously you have not studied it enough! While I agree with you that the word "Rapture," which I am not partial to myself, the word "harpazo" translated "caught up" does appear. This is the same word used when Paul said that he was "caught up" to the third heaven and the same word used to describe the Male Child being "caught up" to God and his throne. So, let's analyse the scripture in question:
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. - 1 Thes.4:16-18
"Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed." - 1 Cor.15:51-52
* The Lord Himself will descend from heaven
* The dead in Christ will rise first
* Those still alive in Christ will be changed and caught up together with them to meet the Lord in the air.
Now, when you combine this with the Lord's promise in John 14:1-3, when He said that he was going to the Father's house (heaven) to prepare dwelling places for the disciples and therefore all believers, then according to his promise, Jesus will return to gather the entire church to take us to the Father's house, which again is in heaven. 1 Thes.4:13-18 and 1 Cor.15:50-53 are the details of the fulfillment of that promise.
Therefore, the gathering of the church dead and living, is not fictitious, but a promise from the Lord, which Paul refers to as the "blessed hope" and which all believers are to be hoping in and watching for.
This event will take place prior to the first seal being opened, which initiates the wrath of God and which believers are not appointed to suffer and which Jesus rescues us from (1 Thes.1:10, 5:9).
The wrath of God that is quickly coming upon this earth will be the worst time in the history of the world since man has been on the earth, with the decimation of most of the population via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments and the dismantling of all human government in preparation for the Lord's millennial kingdom as described in Dan.2:31-45.
However, I do agree with you regarding all of these applications of eclipses and blood moons and such as having to do with the signs mentioned in Revelation. The signs with the sun, moon and stars, will be taking place at different times as part of the events of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments which won't take place until after the church has been gathered and that ruler, the antichrist establishes his seven year agreement with Israel.
I honestly don't understand how you can say that you have studied this information and yet deny the reality of these coming events?
These personal studies always seem to go this route: The person got all their understanding of this (and any subject can be inserted here) Biblical subject by reading Scripture only. Any other supplemental resources are always non-biblical sources. Unnamed. Never are any other biblical sources employed; that would be sacrilegious apparently. And the person making the claim wouldn't appear as spiritual, either. 
Reminds me of when I made a visit to a home, and before the door was opened the man of the house ran down the hall into the living room, grabbed a book to read and had someone open the door so that when we came in it appeared he was spiritually engaged. lolzzzzzzzzzzz...
So many today want to appear as if everything they believe came from Scripture only, and from God speaking to them personally, avoiding all other teachers as if to avoid them makes them a spiritual maverick. "You need no man to teach you..." (1 John 2:27) is ripped out of context and pitted against the teaching of Ephesians 4:11ff concerning God's decree and biblical structure of teachers and pastors who are to teach and equip the saints.
The thing is God knows we need one another, thus He structured the church to accommodate and facilitate this need. Those spiritual mavericks who get everything personally from God alone, and "don't need man to teach them" need to submit to God's order. It is actually a rebellion to this order and to God Himself.
The sooner the church can dispel this attitude and these types, the better. BTW, most of these whom I know don't even go to church. They "love Jesus" but hate His wife. Jesus isn't buying that.
Reminds me of when I made a visit to a home, and before the door was opened the man of the house ran down the hall into the living room, grabbed a book to read and had someone open the door so that when we came in it appeared he was spiritually engaged. lolzzzzzzzzzzz...
So many today want to appear as if everything they believe came from Scripture only, and from God speaking to them personally, avoiding all other teachers as if to avoid them makes them a spiritual maverick. "You need no man to teach you..." (1 John 2:27) is ripped out of context and pitted against the teaching of Ephesians 4:11ff concerning God's decree and biblical structure of teachers and pastors who are to teach and equip the saints.
The thing is God knows we need one another, thus He structured the church to accommodate and facilitate this need. Those spiritual mavericks who get everything personally from God alone, and "don't need man to teach them" need to submit to God's order. It is actually a rebellion to this order and to God Himself.
The sooner the church can dispel this attitude and these types, the better. BTW, most of these whom I know don't even go to church. They "love Jesus" but hate His wife. Jesus isn't buying that.
Yes Angela I know your stance on there not being a rapture in the bible and true enough the word rapture is not in there but the event itself is spoken of and also yes i said it is a sign but nowhere did I say it was a sign of the rapture and I never implied that either and if I seemed to imply that then I apologize that was not my intent.
I have no intention in getting into a heated argument with you about this, you have a different view of this than I do and that is fine it is a common thing within the body of believers.
I have no intention in getting into a heated argument with you about this, you have a different view of this than I do and that is fine it is a common thing within the body of believers.
These personal studies always seem to go this route: The person got all their understanding of this (and any subject can be inserted here) Biblical subject by reading Scripture only. Any other supplemental resources are always non-biblical sources. Unnamed. Never are any other biblical sources employed; that would be sacrilegious apparently. And the person making the claim wouldn't appear as spiritual, either.
Reminds me of when I made a visit to a home, and before the door was opened the man of the house ran down the hall into the living room, grabbed a book to read and had someone open the door so that when we came in it appeared he was spiritually engaged. lolzzzzzzzzzzz...
So many today want to appear as if everything they believe came from Scripture only, and from God speaking to them personally, avoiding all other teachers as if to avoid them makes them a spiritual maverick. "You need no man to teach you..." (1 John 2:27) is ripped out of context and pitted against the teaching of Ephesians 4:11ff concerning God's decree and biblical structure of teachers and pastors who are to teach and equip the saints.
The thing is God knows we need one another, thus He structured the church to accommodate and facilitate this need. Those spiritual mavericks who get everything personally from God alone, and "don't need man to teach them" need to submit to God's order. It is actually a rebellion to this order and to God Himself.
The sooner the church can dispel this attitude and these types, the better. BTW, most of these whom I know don't even go to church. They "love Jesus" but hate His wife. Jesus isn't buying that.
Reminds me of when I made a visit to a home, and before the door was opened the man of the house ran down the hall into the living room, grabbed a book to read and had someone open the door so that when we came in it appeared he was spiritually engaged. lolzzzzzzzzzzz...
So many today want to appear as if everything they believe came from Scripture only, and from God speaking to them personally, avoiding all other teachers as if to avoid them makes them a spiritual maverick. "You need no man to teach you..." (1 John 2:27) is ripped out of context and pitted against the teaching of Ephesians 4:11ff concerning God's decree and biblical structure of teachers and pastors who are to teach and equip the saints.
The thing is God knows we need one another, thus He structured the church to accommodate and facilitate this need. Those spiritual mavericks who get everything personally from God alone, and "don't need man to teach them" need to submit to God's order. It is actually a rebellion to this order and to God Himself.
The sooner the church can dispel this attitude and these types, the better. BTW, most of these whom I know don't even go to church. They "love Jesus" but hate His wife. Jesus isn't buying that.
