WHAT THE TEXAS FLOOD MEANS TO ALL AMERICANS

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notuptome

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Sorry......this makes no sense whatsoever.

Far more than "the problem."

And far more required than "the solution."

Don't see the point of your posting this comment, sorry, just don't.
Yes, but this will be to a much greater degree in my opinion. And, remember, folks in New Orleans ARE STILL dealing with what happened during Katrina.

See, the Federal Government is ALL ON TV talking about how wonderful they are, and all they are going to do to help the victims........and that's great. Then, some time passes, some NEW thing happens, the Media gets distracted and starts to cover OTHER stories, and when the Feds see the Media losing interest and leaving....they begin to tippytoe away. Oh sure, they leave a few LOW LEVEL Officials around just incase someone decides to check back in on what's going on. That way they can say.........."See, we are still there!" Problem is, these low level Officials have no power to make decisions or order actions to be taken............anyway
Are we to depend on the Fed or God? Is it the Fed's responsibility to aid the folks in need or the church?

If the church abdicates it's God given responsibility to help those in need then we cannot complain about how inefficiently the Fed is going to be in assuming the responsibility for disaster aid. Part of big government is what you will see in the Fed's response to hurricane Harvey.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

RickyZ

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Flood insurance needs to be morphed into a national disaster insurance ... and if you've ever requested a quote you'd know why so few people carry it.
 

hornetguy

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I hope this meant as a joke. Trouble is its hard to tell on this site when to take some things seriously or not
I'm fairly certain it was a joke.... that rumor has been circulating among the conspiracy theorists for quite some time now, in various iterations...
 

hornetguy

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Are we to depend on the Fed or God? Is it the Fed's responsibility to aid the folks in need or the church?

If the church abdicates it's God given responsibility to help those in need then we cannot complain about how inefficiently the Fed is going to be in assuming the responsibility for disaster aid. Part of big government is what you will see in the Fed's response to hurricane Harvey.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
We should hope to get assistance from the Fed, but our true hope and help comes from God. Our church is working through an organization that is tied in with local churches. Helping brothers and sisters is a strong priority, but everyone that can be helped will be.

It doesn't have to be an either/or situation.
 

notuptome

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Flood insurance needs to be morphed into a national disaster insurance ... and if you've ever requested a quote you'd know why so few people carry it.
Why? If you cannot afford to purchase coverage then find a different place to live.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

notuptome

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We should hope to get assistance from the Fed, but our true hope and help comes from God. Our church is working through an organization that is tied in with local churches. Helping brothers and sisters is a strong priority, but everyone that can be helped will be.

It doesn't have to be an either/or situation.
Nothing the Fed does comes without strings. Indentured servitude has not ended with modern civilization just put on a more "respectable" face.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

Huckleberry

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Flood insurance needs to be morphed into a national disaster insurance ... and if you've ever requested a quote you'd know why so few people carry it.
Hogwash!
You want to live where flooding is likely or known to occur, you pay the piper.
Why should I pay higher insurance rates because you want to live near water?
 

RickyZ

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Spoken like a true me-me-me generational.

Some people get floods. Some have earthquakes. Some are subject to tornadoes. Still others face fires. Truth be told, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE YOU ARE SUBJECT TO SOME TYPE(S) OF NATURAL DISASTERS. Find me a spot on God's green earth that one can move to to escape any and all forms of disaster. You can't.

I'm so sick of this attitude. It used to be "one for all and all for one". Now it's "every man for himself". Which is why the rich get richer and the poor and middle class get the shaft. And to know that so many Christians have bought into this selfish can't-see-beyond-the-tip-of-my-nose attitude is just appalling.

I can just imagine if Jesus lived on earth today and told the rich to "sell all you have and give to the poor" a la Matthew 19:21. It grieves me to think of how many who claim to follow Him (and even occupy this forum) would, without hesitation, tell him to **edited**.
 
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Huckleberry

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Spoken like a true me-me-me generational.

Some people get floods. Some have earthquakes. Some are subject to tornadoes. Still others face fires. Truth be told, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE YOU ARE SUBJECT TO SOME TYPE(S) OF NATURAL DISASTERS. Find me a spot on God's green earth that one can move to to escape any and all forms of disaster. You can't.

I'm so sick of this attitude. It used to be "one for all and all for one". Now it's "every man for himself". Which is why the rich get richer and the poor and middle class get the shaft. And to know that so many Christians have bought into this selfish can't-see-beyond-the-tip-of-my-nose attitude is just appalling.

I can just imagine if Jesus lived on earth today and told the rich to "sell all you have and give to the poor" a la Matthew 19:21. It grieves me to think of how many who claim to follow Him (and even occupy this forum) would, without hesitation, tell him to go eff himself.
Spoken like a true hypocritical commie.
Have you sold all you have and given it to the poor?
I seriously doubt it.
We keep getting the shaft, e.g. Obamacare,
because of commie lawyers who think like you.
I'll bet you're a rabid Trump-hater.
 

hornetguy

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I can just imagine if Jesus lived on earth today and told the rich to "sell all you have and give to the poor" a la Matthew 19:21. It grieves me to think of how many who claim to follow Him (and even occupy this forum) would, without hesitation, tell him to go eff himself.
except Jesus didn't tell us to do that.

He told the rich young man that, because he knew that he valued his "stuff" more than following Jesus. Jesus was showing him his error, and the young man couldn't face it.

There is nothing inherently wrong, or "un-Christian" in having "stuff"...
 

notuptome

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Spoken like a true me-me-me generational.

Some people get floods. Some have earthquakes. Some are subject to tornadoes. Still others face fires. Truth be told, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE YOU ARE SUBJECT TO SOME TYPE(S) OF NATURAL DISASTERS. Find me a spot on God's green earth that one can move to to escape any and all forms of disaster. You can't.

I'm so sick of this attitude. It used to be "one for all and all for one". Now it's "every man for himself". Which is why the rich get richer and the poor and middle class get the shaft. And to know that so many Christians have bought into this selfish can't-see-beyond-the-tip-of-my-nose attitude is just appalling.

I can just imagine if Jesus lived on earth today and told the rich to "sell all you have and give to the poor" a la Matthew 19:21. It grieves me to think of how many who claim to follow Him (and even occupy this forum) would, without hesitation, tell him to go *** himself.
You really need counseling. The corruption that issues from your heart is quite troubling.

If you want to embrace socialism feel free but to use the language you use in the last sentence of your post is way out of line. Things like that impugn your integrity. Such conduct is offensive and cause me to wonder what is wrong with you?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

RickyZ

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Spoken like a true hypocritical commie.
Have you sold all you have and given it to the poor?
I seriously doubt it.
We keep getting the shaft, e.g. Obamacare,
because of commie lawyers who think like you.
I'll bet you're a rabid Trump-hater.
You don't know me. You assume that you do but if you knew the truth you'd know that what you just said about me is complete lies and falsehood.

I'm going to assume that you're not interested in the truth, and that you're only interested in defending your assumptions.

And so I'm going to stop our little exchange right here.
 
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Not to mention theres already been rumored talks about an economic collapse coming
 

RickyZ

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except Jesus didn't tell us to do that.

He told the rich young man that, because he knew that he valued his "stuff" more than following Jesus. Jesus was showing him his error, and the young man couldn't face it.

There is nothing inherently wrong, or "un-Christian" in having "stuff"...
the language you use in the last sentence of your post is way out of line.
Roger
It's funny how people who like having stuff will so vigorously defend their Biblically accepted stuff. Except that no such acceptance exists.

It wasn't that long ago that I posted a thread containing exclusively scriptures talking about acquiring and keeping stuff. 50+ scriptures I think it was, so long that it had to be split into two posts because the computer wouldn't accept it as one piece. Not a single word in it was mine. 100% copy/paste from the Bible. Roger, I had several people on this site, in their zeal to defend their assumptions, tell me in no uncertain terms to go eff myself. But they weren't saying it to me, because I never said a word. Those were all the words of Jesus and Paul et al, without commentary, so if people had something to say about it they were saying it to Jesus, Paul and et al not me. And you should hear some of the things they said to their Lord. What I said is merely a summation of that.

Roger, I know there's a bit of culture shock between those who live in ivory towers and those who live in the street. Spend your life in the street and you get a little rough around the edges. I'm sorry that offends you, I really am. But when your life is on the line, mood lighting and roses don't cut the mustard. And people have GOT to wake up to the fact that their lives are very much on the line right now. And if it takes cracking the whip and overturning people's tables full of stuff to get their attention, then so be it.
 

RickyZ

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Sorry, didn't mean to derail. I'm just realllllly tired of everything I say being met with derision.
 

RickyZ

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Back to the OP:

Everyone everywhere faces the threat of natural disasters. It can't be helped. There's nowhere on the planet you can escape it. So wouldn't it make sense to have one all encompassing disaster relief insurance pool to deal with it? I'm not sure how or why flood was singled out, other than it was probably the first form of disaster insurance. But if you're going to insure things like floods and earthquakes and conflagrations, increasing the size of the pool always increases efficiency of coverage. For example, the tragedy that is now unfolding in Texas could easily outstrip the resources of the local pool. But if that pool were a national one, rather than region or type specific, there would be a larger pool to draw from to effect remedies in Texas and everywhere these things happen. Which is, everywhere.

That is, if you support insurance at all. Insurance is, by it's very nature, a socialist enterprise. All shared risk pools are. So why do we accept it? Because some people found a way to line their pockets with it. But surprisingly I'm starting to hear the tide turn against insurance itself. One guy earlier said that those who suffer from Texas' flooding are taking money out of his pockets thru higher insurance premiums for him. And that's true; keeping in mind the same applies to him when that wildfire/tornado/earthquake takes out his house. It's a two way street, unless you forgo insurance altogether. Which is where I think in our collective greed we are actually headed.

I just can't wait to hear how these poor people who have lost everything, are taking from others thru increase taxes by accepting governmental disaster relief.
 

p_rehbein

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City, County, State Governments. and the Federal Government all have contingency plans/funds to cover Natural/Man made disasters. There already is a National "pool" in place. That is what FEMA is.

The victims of this disaster, as with others are not "taking from" the taxpayers, however there is no question that all taxpayers will feel the cost of this disaster. Now, the sad truth is that when disasters like this happen, there are some who will take advantage of it to enrich themselves. Looting, and filing falser claims are the two most common. Setting up fake Charity websites and such are also very common after such a disaster. So THESE PEOPLE are taking from..... :)

And, in my opinion only I suppose, the Corporations/Businesses and others who engage in "price gouging" to enrich themselves after such a disaster deserve to be dragged to the Town Square and horsewhipped. Start with the Oil Companies...........


Back to the OP:

Everyone everywhere faces the threat of natural disasters. It can't be helped. There's nowhere on the planet you can escape it. So wouldn't it make sense to have one all encompassing disaster relief insurance pool to deal with it? I'm not sure how or why flood was singled out, other than it was probably the first form of disaster insurance. But if you're going to insure things like floods and earthquakes and conflagrations, increasing the size of the pool always increases efficiency of coverage. For example, the tragedy that is now unfolding in Texas could easily outstrip the resources of the local pool. But if that pool were a national one, rather than region or type specific, there would be a larger pool to draw from to effect remedies in Texas and everywhere these things happen. Which is, everywhere.


I just can't wait to hear how these poor people who have lost everything, are taking from others thru increase taxes by accepting governmental disaster relief.
 

J7

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The debt ceiling is reviewed 30 Sept. Might be interesting.

This thing is apparently multiples worse than Katrina. I read a witness account of Katrina, it was horrific. It was total anarchy and the Govt completely abandoned people.

I associate floods with debt that overwhelms. I think America is about to be submerged in her own debts. Just my 1.9975 quadrillion cents worth.

Aw, let's round that up, 2 quadrillion cents worth
 

notuptome

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Sorry, didn't mean to derail. I'm just realllllly tired of everything I say being met with derision.
Perhaps there is a real solid reason?

It's funny how people who like having stuff will so vigorously defend their Biblically accepted stuff. Except that no such acceptance exists.

It wasn't that long ago that I posted a thread containing exclusively scriptures talking about acquiring and keeping stuff. 50+ scriptures I think it was, so long that it had to be split into two posts because the computer wouldn't accept it as one piece. Not a single word in it was mine. 100% copy/paste from the Bible. Roger, I had several people on this site, in their zeal to defend their assumptions, tell me in no uncertain terms to go eff myself. But they weren't saying it to me, because I never said a word. Those were all the words of Jesus and Paul et al, without commentary, so if people had something to say about it they were saying it to Jesus, Paul and et al not me. And you should hear some of the things they said to their Lord. What I said is merely a summation of that.

Roger, I know there's a bit of culture shock between those who live in ivory towers and those who live in the street. Spend your life in the street and you get a little rough around the edges. I'm sorry that offends you, I really am. But when your life is on the line, mood lighting and roses don't cut the mustard. And people have GOT to wake up to the fact that their lives are very much on the line right now. And if it takes cracking the whip and overturning people's tables full of stuff to get their attention, then so be it.
I could care less about stuff. I do care when some one who professes to know Christ resorts to vile and perverse language if reference to Christ.

It's not your job to wake people up as only God through the Holy Spirit is able to do that. You cannot make people believe. It is no wonder you are frustrated as you are attempting to be god.

Any remorse and any apologies are owed to the Lord not me.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

Huckleberry

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One guy earlier said that those who suffer from Texas' flooding are taking money out of his pockets thru higher insurance premiums for him.
Your penchant for lying publicly and with such gall makes
me wonder what you're doing on a Christian website.
You're obviously not Christian, so what's your agenda here?