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Thread: So, a liberal poll, in the heart of a liberal university, produces a liberal message?

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    Default So, a liberal poll, in the heart of a liberal university, produces a liberal message?

    Why do I not trust this poll? Harvard is a liberal university, likely teeming with liberals, the majority of whom can not accept the reality that Donald Trump won the presidency fair and square, and they produce a poll that says to impeach President Trump? You know, this pretty much amounts to treason in a way, to interfere with the duties of a legally and lawfully elected president in times of crisis. Give it a rest. Even Hillary Clinton and former president Barack Obama would likely not support the impeachment of a standing president for political reasons.

    I'm a moderate conservative, and don't support every position of the Republican party, and don't oppose every Liberal view. But, I did, and continue to support president Donald Trump because I believe he is a strong leader, a wise businessman, and has shifted the nation to the right, even if he does not support every view on the Right. I don't support social positions of any politician, or leader that give the appearance of discrimination or racism. I don't believe he is a racist. But, he does have a point: There is racism on both sides of the aisle. I'm sure this is what President Trump meant. People are just typically accustomed to being around those who they grew up with or went to school with, or who are of a similar culture, whether it is Anglo, African, Asian, Mediterranean, Islander, Native, Indiginous, Indian, and everyone in-between, and of similar religious beliefs, sexually orientational and other relational issues or political associations and social or educational standing.
    Wisdom of the world is valued by the world as elevating people. And it does help to get an education to understand the world better, and understand the Bible's teachings and how to be a good steward
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    But, Jesus chose people equally: Men, women, children, free people, criminals, fishermen, white-collar, blue-collar, those living in poverty, those possessed or controlled by the devil, soldiers, people obsessed with religion--
    THE SKY'S THE LIMIT!!
    GOD LOVES US ALL!! ALL OF US THANKLESS AND GRACELESS PEOPLE, EQUALLY!!
    The LORD, like a loving parent, a mother or father, can not, and will not turn away anyone who truly turns to the New Covenant--that would make Him a liar. And if we are too exalted to accept a free-gift of Mercy, or fail to live it, that makes people liars, and violates the Covenant. A Covenant, even from what I remember from business class, requires both parties to honor the agreement. A loving Creator never ex-communicates anyone. People ex-communicate themselves.
    As one Christian sign said here a while back:
    GOD DOES NOT SEND ANYONE TO HELL;
    HE JUST HONORS THEIR CHOICE.

    Even in a small town or neighborhood, Christians tend to be isolated in cultural communities, but that's not always a negative thing. People have the right to associate with members of their own culture, as long as they don't discriminate in the name of the Bible. I've never been to a church of another culture where I have been excluded or treated wrongly. But, cultural and racial relations can be a challenge for many people. And people tend to associate with others of a similar social standing, and there's really not an issue there, unless it becomes an issue that is not supported by the Bible.

    The Apostle James taught that we as Christians should treat everyone equally who walks into the door of a church, and most churches do try to do this. Jesus treated everyone perfectly equally.
    The Bible challenges us all to do the same, but, "Rome wasn't built in a day."
    We all can change and we all tend to have some racist vibes that need to be overcome.
    That's why God didn't make all people one color or culture.

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    Default Re: So, a liberal poll, in the heart of a liberal university, produces a liberal mess

    ...not to mention that any results of any poll will be analyzed using Statistics, and anyone who has studied Statistics sufficiently knows it as valid a way to make inferences and conclusions as casting chicken bones.
    I am sending myself to my room to find my personality.

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    Default Re: So, a liberal poll, in the heart of a liberal university, produces a liberal mess

    Quote Originally Posted by Yahweh_is_gracious View Post
    ...not to mention that any results of any poll will be analyzed using Statistics, and anyone who has studied Statistics sufficiently knows it as valid a way to make inferences and conclusions as casting chicken bones.
    Statistics was the most difficult class-- barely passed it and gave it all that I could

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    Default Re: So, a liberal poll, in the heart of a liberal university, produces a liberal mess

    Quote Originally Posted by HeraldtheNews View Post
    Statistics was the most difficult class-- barely passed it and gave it all that I could
    11 out of 9 people fail statistics class.
    People are offended that God is God.

    Oh, my brethren! bold-hearted men are always called mean-spirited by cowards. - Charles Spurgeon

    I threw out the writings of Moses because he killed that Egyptian guy.

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    Default Re: So, a liberal poll, in the heart of a liberal university, produces a liberal mess

    Quote Originally Posted by Yahweh_is_gracious View Post
    ...not to mention that any results of any poll will be analyzed using Statistics, and anyone who has studied Statistics sufficiently knows it as valid a way to make inferences and conclusions as casting chicken bones.
    my son isn't as educated as you are (yet!), but he took three stats classes his last two years of college, and heartily agrees. casting chicken bones... lol.

    oh, and he passed with flying colors, though he still has trouble with English. you would laugh to hear his baby sister try to explain the difference between 'passed' and 'past' to him.
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    Default Re: So, a liberal poll, in the heart of a liberal university, produces a liberal mess

    Quote Originally Posted by preacher4truth View Post
    11 out of 9 people fail statistics class.
    LOL! thanks for the laugh.
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    Default Re: So, a liberal poll, in the heart of a liberal university, produces a liberal mess

    Quote Originally Posted by preacher4truth View Post
    11 out of 9 people fail statistics class.
    I can see why. lol
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    Default Re: So, a liberal poll, in the heart of a liberal university, produces a liberal mess

    Quote Originally Posted by notmyown View Post
    my son isn't as educated as you are (yet!), but he took three stats classes his last two years of college, and heartily agrees. casting chicken bones... lol.

    oh, and he passed with flying colors, though he still has trouble with English. you would laugh to hear his baby sister try to explain the difference between 'passed' and 'past' to him.
    I have rarely encountered anyone who firmly understand both mathematics AND statistics. Usually, it's an either or situation. Mathematics relies on getting absolute answers or at least approximations that have some sort of basis in a grounding that seems reasonable. Statistics, not so much. Do a little voodoo here, run it through this equation over there, spit out some confidence interval and call it good. I'm doing some high level stats for my dissertation, and while the equations to do the analysis are brain-achingly complex, the results are purely speculative and hypothetical. Bah!
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    I am sending myself to my room to find my personality.

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    Default Re: So, a liberal poll, in the heart of a liberal university, produces a liberal mess

    Quote Originally Posted by preacher4truth View Post
    11 out of 9 people fail statistics class.
    lol, Well, then, I beat the odds...!

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    Default Re: So, a liberal poll, in the heart of a liberal university, produces a liberal mess

    Quote Originally Posted by Yahweh_is_gracious View Post
    I have rarely encountered anyone who firmly understand both mathematics AND statistics. Usually, it's an either or situation. Mathematics relies on getting absolute answers or at least approximations that have some sort of basis in a grounding that seems reasonable. Statistics, not so much. Do a little voodoo here, run it through this equation over there, spit out some confidence interval and call it good. I'm doing some high level stats for my dissertation, and while the equations to do the analysis are brain-achingly complex, the results are purely speculative and hypothetical. Bah!
    "the results are purely speculative and hypothetical..."
    well, that sounds like throwing the dice--
    Economics class was much more fun, the theories were easier to understand-- College really gets you thinking--
    As long as you nurture your heart in the stressful grind...

    I struggled with the first concept of economics for weeks and months, even years, before I finally understood it-- "Opportunity Cost." The cost, or value of the opportunities to earn income that are lost, when we engage in time-consuming activities that do not produce results. this is all part of learning good financial stewardship, which the Bible says applies to all areas of life: "If you have not been faithful over little, why would God trust you with greater riches?" (paraphrase)

    Freedom has to rise from within, as I've heard many people teach--
    this is why communism and entitlement concepts tend to fail, they say-- IT's external support. I've heard this said about institutional idolism too. Institutions tend to slowly suffocate the life out of people, unless you are free inside...

    The Church of Christ was "living stones," of His temple-- as Peter said, and Jesus Himself said,
    "Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up."

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    Default Re: So, a liberal poll, in the heart of a liberal university, produces a liberal mess

    I want to apologize for some of my statements here that were derogatory like "teeming with liberals." Harvard is a very fine University that welcomes all people equally, and should not be stereotyped. I'm sorry for my prejudice.
    We have to work together across the political aisles.

    Sometimes we have to take a stand, and not try to please everyone, even though the Apostle Paul said that he tried to be "all things to all people."
    So, telling it like it is--
    I did support President Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton, but it was wrong to judge her as "pro-abortion," since I believe that the majority of women hate it. And, while I believe President Trump remains the best choice for the job, and I believe he is doing the best he can in a world "teeming with dire, deadly situations," so-to-speak. I

    It is a legitimate view to support the right and freedom of a woman to choose without being coerced by Church or state, or family up to a point that honors life and freedom of both mother and child, however that can be achieved. But, as one Roman Catholic Christian put it years ago in a local paper, God gives us the right and freedom to choose, but not the right to every free choice. As a conservative Christian, I do not support abortion, and feel that Christian women never have the "right to choose" the death of their baby. The Catholic Church takes pro-creation to the extreme, not wanting to ever start down the path of compromise with the devil. But, it seems a little legalistic for them to excommunicate the Apostle Paul from their church, and then tell married couples how to manage their privacy, and obligate them to have unlimited children.
    I don't know the answers alone as one person who has never raised children.
    I do know that the Bishops in Rome don't have to manage the chaos of a home with unlimited children and scarce funds.

    So, pontificating again-- sorry;

    I also support the Liberal view of stewardship of nature, which is probably contributing to these hurricanes.
    I'm from Alaska, and admire Todd and Sarah Palin, former first family, but, I don't believe in "drill, baby, drill," especially in the Arctic ice, or the dangeorus depths of the Gulf of Mexico, or for the dangerous and reckless "Fracking" drilling that injects water back into the ground.
    Maybe the hurricane is a message from God regarding being careless about drilling for oil, and throwing the dice with the future of the Earth in the depths of the Gulf of Mexico?

    Another liberal view I support in principle is not persecuting those who for whatever reason, find themselves in controversial lifestyles . At the same time, America was founded on freedom of religion, and businesses should have rights according to their beliefs. America is "One Nation Under God," not, one nation under the law. Or it's at least, "one nation under freedom."

    Another liberal view I strongly support is justice reform, which former president Obama addressed so well, rightly calling solitary confinement as “an affront to our commonhumanity." This especially applies to young people who are not hardened criminals, and law-abiding citizens who have been seduced by drug dealers or driven by addictions. Sentencing suffering people to 30 years in prison for a drug offense is clearly "cruel and unusual punishment," especially if their actions are atypical.

    I know of a lady who was in danger of a similar punishment, a severe addict who even was dealing drugs, who one drug dealer even said to her, "you need to get some help."

    But, instead has helped hundreds of people find freedom in Christ and deliverance from addictions.
    Drugs are sickening, and they cause people to take terrible desperate actions, and do sickening things like violate and exploit children and minors, or commit robbery in homes, autos, and businesses.

    And I would like to apologize for giving undisclosed medications to a co-worker, saying, "this is what I think of the medication laws." Sharing medications with others is dangerous and can be deadly. Even though my father was a doctor, and I know what makes most meds tick. But, is it more deadly to allow the drug companies to legally play "Russian Roullete," with the public with dangerous, unproven drugs? Are any of them doing 25 years? Or the lawmakers who allow it?
    I believe the "powers that be," and I have come to an understanding of a balance of power, repentance, and obeying God, and I choose to "Let it Be."

    Not to be rebellious, but, because I don't know who to trust anymore, I think they understand that if they were to give me 25 years for giving meds to a suffering friend, which was wrong, of course,
    I would own the place in 6 months;
    And overthrow it in 12;
    And God would help me do it.
    The power of God is real, like the power of a hurricane,
    and I intend to surf that powerful 100-foot wave,
    like Garrett McNamara of Hawaii,
    world champion surfer and world-record surfer;
    Wherever it takes me.
    Obeying Church, and state.

    That cavalier attitude of rebellion is direct disobediance to the Bible and Jesus and Peter who called all Christians to obey the law, regardless of whether or not we may agree with it.

    But, it is “an affront to our commonhumanity,” to punish those permanently, who have been victimized by the serpent of addiction, and who have not deliberatly and consistently and willingly victimized others, and acted in anti-social ways with a disregard for the humanity of society and others.

    One such case is Jack Horner of Indiana, who was sentenced to 25 years for selling prescription medications to a friend.

    "A first-time narcotics offender, father to three, sold pain pills to a friend. His punishment: 25 years in prison. It's just the latest evidence that U.S. drug policy is madness."
    from: theatlantic (dot) com

    I admire the careers and accomplishments of Hillary Clinton, and former president, Barack Obama, even if I may not agree with every view.

    I hope this puts to rest this judgmental post I made towards liberals.
    And expresses my views on justice reform.

    --Herald
    Messenger of God, and the LORD Jesus Christ, and Herald of His return.

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    Default Re: So, a liberal poll, in the heart of a liberal university, produces a liberal mess

    I admire the careers and accomplishments of Hillary Clinton, and former president, Barack Obama, even if I may not agree with every view.
    We certainly have to agree to disagree on this one. There is very little to nothing that I admire about either of those two.

    The BEST thing I can say about former president Obama is that he failed in completely destroying America as we have known it. He gave it a good shot, though.

    The best thing I can say about Hillary is.... she's one of God's kids, and I love her in that role. Nothing else comes to mind.
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