Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast
Results 21 to 40 of 53
Like Tree13Likes

Christian News Forum

Share the latest news (world news, local news, current events, etc.) with your Christian friends right here, and give or get a Christian perspective on it.

Thread: Stand by Catalonia

  1. #21
    Senior Member tourist's Avatar
    Join Date
    March 13th, 2014
    Age
    62
    Posts
    17,357
    Blog Entries
    5
    Rep Power
    309

    Default Re: Stand by Catalonia

    Isn't Catalonia a salad dressing.? I prefer Ranch.
    Miri likes this.
    M & M's melt in your mouth and not in your hands.

  2. #22
    Senior Member Tommy379's Avatar
    Join Date
    January 12th, 2016
    Age
    38
    Posts
    3,284
    Rep Power
    62

    Default Re: Stand by Catalonia

    Maybe some political leaders in Catalonia are trying to run an insurrection, and Spain has every right to stop it.

  3. #23
    Alnmouth
    Guest

    Default Re: Stand by Catalonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy379 View Post
    Sluggish economies are caused by a lack ofproductivity. So, what in my statement you replied to is wrong? I asked simplequestions, you cannot answer.

    You asked a question which implied a lack of understanding. You asked:
    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy379 View Post
    … are they counting on the restof the European Union to prop them up?

    How can the EU prop up any economy when its own is failing?
    Sluggish economies are indeed caused by a lack of productivity, but that is stating the obvious. Lack of productivity often arises from poor government, which is what is wrong with most of the EU.
    The USA tends to outperform the EU because its government tends to do a better job of encouraging ordinary people to be productive. If an independent Catalonia were to enact similar policies, then presumably an independent Catalonia could be a rich country.
    Quote Originally Posted by tourist View Post
    I prefer Ranch.

    So do I.

  4. #24
    Senior Member Billyd's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 8th, 2014
    Age
    75
    Posts
    2,848
    Rep Power
    95

    Default Re: Stand by Catalonia

    I vote for Spain and Catalonia to work out their own problems.

    The EU and the individual countries of the EU don't have enough rich people (or countries) to support the wants of the populous.
    2 Peter 1:5 Because you have these blessings, do all you can to add to your life these things: to your faith add goodness; to your goodness add knowledge; 6 to your knowledge add self-control; to your self-control add patience; to your patience add devotion to God; 7 to your devotion add kindness toward your brothers and sisters in Christ, and to this kindness add love.

  5. #25
    Senior Member JaumeJ's Avatar
    Join Date
    July 2nd, 2011
    Age
    73
    Posts
    11,162
    Blog Entries
    36
    Rep Power
    124

    Default Re: Stand by Catalonia

    Catalonians are great Spaniards! Do you know why? Because they are great Catalonians.

    Now Catalonia has never been a nation, so it is a mystery to me why anyone outside of Spain would meddle in such a situation. I live here, and I foresee the same ills for the Catalonian Autonomy as has beset the UK with its Brexit. Actualy it will be far worse for teh Catalonians, over 400 companies have already forsaken that area due to its dismal choices.

    The Catalans are wonderful people, and they deserve to have their Autonomy in prosperity. The so-called political leaders are leading them into another Venezuela.

    If you wish to support Catalunya, pray for the best for them, nto some move that is not thought through, and will lead to economical disaster, especially for the people. God bless Catalunya, amen.
    From the Mouth of our Lord, Jesus Christ, or do you call Him Yeshua?
    Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.


  6. #26
    Alnmouth
    Guest

    Default Re: Stand by Catalonia

    The situation has now become much worse. On the one hand I realise that the situation in Catalonia is not as bad as the situation in the Donetsk People's Republic. Nevertheless for me as a Briton, Catalonia seems so much closer to home, and I feel I ought to be doing something about it.

    At least I can be glad I did not vote in the last UK general election. Theresa May has said she will not recognise Catalan independence, but she does not speak for me.

  7. #27
    Senior Member JaumeJ's Avatar
    Join Date
    July 2nd, 2011
    Age
    73
    Posts
    11,162
    Blog Entries
    36
    Rep Power
    124

    Default Re: Stand by Catalonia

    Here is some truth about Cataluny. First, it was never a country. Second it was previously part of the kingdom of Aragon; this was before 1492 when Spain became a country including Aragon, ergo Catalunya.

    The Catalans have never been "opressed" nor held in any other light but admiration by the rest of Spain. Yes the rest of Spain since Cataluny has beenSpain since January 2, 1492. Before 1492 if you omit the final9zation of the conquest of the Moors.

    It was on January 2, 1492 when Queen Isabella accomplished three rather remarkable events, she commissioned Christopher Columbus to embark on finding a westward route to the orient only to discov er for Spain what is the Americas, sh conquered the Moors resulting in their banish ment, and declared Spain Christian...Catholic in this case.

    The European inquisition in Spain began on that last deed.........

    Cataluny is not in any peril from anyone but that group of anarchists who want to Venezuelize Catalunya, not a very pretty picture. Do not meddle in things you do not fully comprehend, it will only lead to confusion on the issue.
    loveme1 likes this.
    From the Mouth of our Lord, Jesus Christ, or do you call Him Yeshua?
    Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.


  8. #28
    Alnmouth
    Guest

    Default Re: Stand by Catalonia

    Quote Originally Posted by JaumeJ View Post
    Here is some truth about Cataluny.First, it was never a country. .

    So what? Was Texas ever a country before 1836? Was the USA ever a country before 1776? What about Bangladesh? I could go on.

    Quote Originally Posted by JaumeJ View Post
    The Catalans have never been "oppressed" norheld in any other light but admiration by the rest of Spain. .

    They have been and are still being oppressed. They have been required to prop up the basket case economy of Spain, of which they are the wealthiest region. Their independence referendum was disrupted by vicious police officers who ought to be sacked and jailed, and now their regional government has been abolished in favour of direct rule by the evil Spanish government in Madrid.
    Incidentally, this is the same evil Spanish government which likes to send warships into British waters off the coast of Gibraltar. Then there is their hypocrisy regarding Gibraltar and Ceuta.

    Quote Originally Posted by JaumeJ View Post
    Cataluny is not in any peril from anyone but that groupof anarchists who want to Venezuelize Catalunya, not a very pretty picture. Donot meddle in things you do not fully comprehend, it will only lead toconfusion on the issue.

    An independent Catalonia would be free to elect its own government, and there is no reason to think that they would ever elect a prime minister cast in the image of Jeremy Corbyn.
    Please do not accuse me of not fully comprehending the situation. It is not at all polite, and I will quit this forum if I have to deal with much more in the way of insolence from you or anyone else on this site.
    Last edited by Alnmouth; 3 Weeks Ago at 01:31 PM.

  9. #29
    Senior Member JaumeJ's Avatar
    Join Date
    July 2nd, 2011
    Age
    73
    Posts
    11,162
    Blog Entries
    36
    Rep Power
    124

    Default Re: Stand by Catalonia

    For starters, Texas was separate from the US.

    Catalunya does represent 20% of the gnp of Spain, but you must keep in mind they trade with the rest of Spain along with foreign concerns.
    If catalunya leaves Spain, it also leaves the Eu. Cataluny, just like the UK with its now famous Brexit will be greatly in debt to its former main body.,. AGain over 400 companies, at my last hearing have vacated CAtaluny because of the gret debt and the future taxes tehy wiould levy as a Republic.

    Catalunya has many privileges already. It has its own (had since article 155 has been implemented today) their own Generalitat..or Parliament. They are (were) an autonomy just like the other autonomies of Spain. As for their own propaganda about supporting Spain, all I may add is yes, as part of Spain they have enjoyed a good standing in economic relations, but when or if they were to ever leave the Eu will not allow them in the Eu, they have no currency of their own nor would they be allowed to continue with the Euro...... In short they will suffer even worse than have the English with Brexit.

    If you believe the propaganda being circulated by the so-called politicians of Catalunya, I cannot serve to help your understanding, but bear in mind one of the first things their leaders have beenagreed upon doing with their independence is to give the entire Puyol family a blanket pardon. This family has by hook or crook managed to embezzle over a billion euros from the people of Catalunya and Spain.. This tells me these so-called oppressed leaders are prepared to continue andperhaps extend the corruption already rampant here. So you wish the Catalan people these leaders and you are just asthey.
    From the Mouth of our Lord, Jesus Christ, or do you call Him Yeshua?
    Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.


  10. #30
    Senior Member JaumeJ's Avatar
    Join Date
    July 2nd, 2011
    Age
    73
    Posts
    11,162
    Blog Entries
    36
    Rep Power
    124

    Default Re: Stand by Catalonia

    Incidentally, the 20% paricipation in the Spanish GNP is a generous estimation.....
    From the Mouth of our Lord, Jesus Christ, or do you call Him Yeshua?
    Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.


  11. #31
    Alnmouth
    Guest

    Default Re: Stand by Catalonia

    I still find your comments insulting, and I am now seriously on the verge of quitting this site.

    You talk about Brexit as if it were a bad thing, but Britain is actually doing very well at the moment. It could be a lot better, but I have known it far worse. The EU has perpetually high unemployment because its leaders are perpetually incompetent.

    The EU needs Britain, but no one needs the incompetent and overbearing EU. Catalonia would probably do very well outside the EU - as probably too would every other part of Europe.

  12. #32
    Senior Member Tommy379's Avatar
    Join Date
    January 12th, 2016
    Age
    38
    Posts
    3,284
    Rep Power
    62

    Default Re: Stand by Catalonia

    Someone here, has thin skin.

  13. #33
    Alnmouth
    Guest

    Default Re: Stand by Catalonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy379 View Post
    Someone here, has thin skin.
    Someone here actually has quite thick skin, but someone here also has expectations for the level of debate on what is after all a Christian forum.

  14. #34
    Senior Member maxwel's Avatar
    Join Date
    April 18th, 2013
    Age
    42
    Posts
    6,469
    Rep Power
    144

    Default Re: Stand by Catalonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Alnmouth View Post

    Someone here actually has quite thick skin, but someone here also has expectations for the level of debate on what is after all a Christian forum.

    Yeah...

    I think you need to lower your expectations.

  15. #35
    Senior Member peacenik's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 12th, 2016
    Age
    65
    Posts
    3,024
    Rep Power
    15

    Default Re: Stand by Catalonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Alnmouth;



    They have been and are still being oppressed. They have been required to prop up the basket case economy of Spain, of which they are the wealthiest region. Their independence referendum was disrupted by vicious police officers who ought to be sacked and jailed, and now their regional government has been abolished in favour of direct rule by the evil Spanish government in Madrid.
    Incidentally, this is the same evil Spanish government which likes to send warships into British waters off the coast of Gibraltar. Then there is their hypocrisy regarding Gibraltar and Ceuta.


    An independent Catalonia would be free to elect its own government, and there is no reason to think that they would ever elect a prime minister cast in the image of Jeremy Corbyn.
    Please do not accuse me of not fully comprehending the situation. It is not at all polite, and I will quit this forum if I have to deal with much more in the way of insolence from you or anyone else on this site.


    I can trace a small [very small] part of my family tree to Catalunya and endorse the idea of its right to declare freedom from Spain. Contrary to what some believe, Catalonia existed as a civilization for at least 500 years before Spain came into existence. As a believer in the democratic process, I believe the people there have a right to determine their fate for themselves, just as I did for the diverse peoples of Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union. If this is what Catalonians want for themselves then no foreign politician (whether in Madrid, Brussels, or Washington DC) has any business telling them what they can or cannot do.
    Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

    Matt 5:9

  16. #36
    Senior Member JaumeJ's Avatar
    Join Date
    July 2nd, 2011
    Age
    73
    Posts
    11,162
    Blog Entries
    36
    Rep Power
    124

    Default Re: Stand by Catalonia

    The last thing I would ever wish on the kCatalan people is the fate of Brexit. God bless you always.



    Quote Originally Posted by Alnmouth View Post
    I still find your comments insulting, and I am now seriously on the verge of quitting this site.

    You talk about Brexit as if it were a bad thing, but Britain is actually doing very well at the moment. It could be a lot better, but I have known it far worse. The EU has perpetually high unemployment because its leaders are perpetually incompetent.

    The EU needs Britain, but no one needs the incompetent and overbearing EU. Catalonia would probably do very well outside the EU - as probably too would every other part of Europe.
    From the Mouth of our Lord, Jesus Christ, or do you call Him Yeshua?
    Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.


  17. #37
    Alnmouth
    Guest

    Default Re: Stand by Catalonia

    Quote Originally Posted by JaumeJ View Post
    The last thing I would ever wish on the Catalan people is the fate of Brexit.

    You persist in seeing Brexit as a bad thing. How is it bad? Unemployment is far lower in Britain than in the rest of the EU. Presumably you hate employment and love unemployment.

    Do you love being unemployed yourself? Or do you merely wish it upon other people?

  18. #38
    Senior Member JaumeJ's Avatar
    Join Date
    July 2nd, 2011
    Age
    73
    Posts
    11,162
    Blog Entries
    36
    Rep Power
    124

    Default Re: Stand by Catalonia

    When it comes to political observations I am not always very keen, however I did foresee the falling value of the pound previous to Brexit.

    I did foresee the disappearing trade partnership with all EU countries, neighbors of the UK.

    And, being from the US I did foresee no value in relying o the US failing economy tobe a force in the economy of Britain..no healp at all.

    I have observed the flight of industry from Great Britain t6 continental Europe......

    And since Brexit began, the flight of banking from GB.

    There is much more to add to this basket that is nothing less than a concoction for financial disasster.

    Many people in GB are what is called food poor or energy poor, which is only a pitiful eupehmism for plain poverty.

    This cannot improve after Brexit if it isever compelted...

    I want GB in the EU. It is good for GB and it is good for the EU, however the EÜ will survive without GB, contrary to some deluded thinging. The debt to the EU must be paid. Actually I do know more but not right now.

    If GB is allowed to, it should rejoin the EU and adopt the Euro, otherwise I see nothing but negative reactions to bad ecisions in GB's future. I love the folks there, but I am not blinded by my love.


    Quote Originally Posted by Alnmouth View Post


    You persist in seeing Brexit as a bad thing. How is it bad? Unemployment is far lower in Britain than in the rest of the EU. Presumably you hate employment and love unemployment.

    Do you love being unemployed yourself? Or do you merely wish it upon other people?
    From the Mouth of our Lord, Jesus Christ, or do you call Him Yeshua?
    Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.


  19. #39
    Alnmouth
    Guest

    Default Re: Stand by Catalonia

    You seem very deluded yourself.

    Unemployment in Britain is at the lowest level in my adult lifetime, and I have known it far higher.

    If your scaremongering has any basis in reality, then perhaps you should explain where all of these British jobs come from.

    Yes, people are hungry in the UK, but the situation is far worse in Greece, and it is worse because of the single currency which you want Britain to join.

    Seriously, how many people in Europe have to be forced to live in poverty before sycophants of the EU admit that they are wrong?

    But this is beginning to go off topic.

  20. #40
    Senior Member JaumeJ's Avatar
    Join Date
    July 2nd, 2011
    Age
    73
    Posts
    11,162
    Blog Entries
    36
    Rep Power
    124

    Default Re: Stand by Catalonia

    My heart goes out to the people of the UK, Greece, Catalonia, and just about everywhere else.

    If this is deluded, I am guilty, but the situation in Catalonia would have been worse than the outcome of Brexit were it allowed to continue. Oh, there have been over 1,600 companies leave Catalonia which translates to a myriad of jobs lost. This is but the tip of the iceberg of woes for a so-called independent Catalonia.

    The economy of the UK has no future if Brexit is ever finalized........it would be worse for Catalonia, because the movers and shakers of the political aspect of this movement now would certainly create an economy worse than that of Venezuela.

    I live in Spain, and I love the EU, and I would love to see a reversal of Brexit also for the sakes of all the people there.

    The UK has never been the lynch pin of support for the EU. It could be strong again,but only by returning to the EU and being a full-fledged member.
    From the Mouth of our Lord, Jesus Christ, or do you call Him Yeshua?
    Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.


Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 1
    Last Post: December 24th, 2015, 09:45 PM
  2. stand up
    By hope36523 in forum Christian Poems & Poetry
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: August 12th, 2013, 02:38 AM
  3. how will you stand
    By paulguyer in forum Christian Poems & Poetry
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: August 3rd, 2013, 08:32 PM
  4. I need help, i cannot stand it
    By Blain in forum Prayer Requests
    Replies: 12
    Last Post: February 14th, 2013, 07:59 AM
  5. we should stand together..
    By fireofpassion in forum Prayer Requests
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: December 19th, 2012, 12:17 PM