Australians back same-sex marriage at polls; Parliament plans December vote

[Yeraza_Bats]

That's a bit like saying, I hope homophobic people can be protected. I think it's all a step in the right direction

Doing the gay baker cake analogy once more, if someone asked a Muslim bakery to make a cake with Christ on the cross for a Christmas party, should he be forced to do it, for the sake of inclusiveness?

Would you be willing to force them to make Christian cakes, despite the fact that Christianity is blasphemous according to their beliefs?

A person should absolutely have the right to not engage in things that they believe are wrong. Nothing is stopping YOU from living your lifestyle, nothing is stopping YOU from getting married to whoever you want. And if you want to call the person who said no to creating an item to celebrate an even he believes is wrong a homophobe, a bigot, or whatever else youre trained to call people, go for it. But you are still free to live your life as you wish.

But forcing them to either engage in the event, or face the consequences. Well, Im not even sure I could help you see how thats wrong, because you already believe that anyone living this lifestyle has more importance over the consciousness of others.

things are moving forward, to be more tolerant of each other, whatever colour, creed, or sexual orientation. Soon the generation of KKK will die off.

Hate to be the first to ever tell you this, but living the homosexual lifestyle =/= someones race.
A black person is a black person, will always be a black person, and will always have black skin until they die. Theyve made no lifestyle choices, they just have black skin whether they like it or not.

A person can absolutely have an attraction towards someone of the same sex, and ignore it. Theres alot of people out there, whether you believe it or not. The choice to engage in the lifestyle is a choice, homosexua, relations take the choice to engage in them. No one is forced to these relations outside their will.

It is 100% lifestyle choice. You cant always control thoughts and urges, but the fact that you have them =/= you MUST act out on them.

I'm not going to judge someone because they love someone of the same sex. If they are a promiscuous sket, I will judge them as I would judge a heterosexual.

Its not about love, we wouldnt call it homosexuality if it were merely about love.
Why are they gay? What makes them gay? What are they doing with each other that makes them different?
Its about what they are doing with their bodies. Sex =/= love. People in love can have sex. People not in love can have sex. People can have sex with non- people. Its not about love.

But someone who is Christian and has to bake a cake for homosexuals, or even Satanists, and has a problem with it, well God will judge them. I'm glad the younger crowd are more tolerant and in a sense loving, compared to the die hard people of an older generation who are stuck in the past, and therefore pessimistic about the present.

Wow, youd actually support forcing someone to make a cake thats a blantant insult to their God.
Why even engage with you?

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Perversion has nothing to do with a country being a "theocracy". This country is based on Judeau/Christian laws. This use to be considered a perversion and now it has been normalized. Pedophilia is next.You want to give them "rights" too?

I say let them make their choices, but I can promise that Dude doesnt agree to that. He has worked hard to shame people for merely saying homosexuality is wrong.

He comes in disguised as a Christian, but his political views come before God. Its not actually about the constitution with Dude, its about him being angry that the people of this site would dare tell him hes wrong.

Let them make their own choices, but let those who dont live that lifestyle be free to not have to be forced to engage in and show approval to the lifestyle. I can absolutely imagine a day when me saying that we dont have to give into these urges just because we have them will be considered hate speech and punishable under the law.

 

[Dude653]

well i learned that trying to talk sense to a liberal is like trying to teach a dead dog new tricks ...it dont work. he wont move

I'm actually Centrist but that's irrelevant because we're talking about constitutional rights.
You would think conservatives would want to uphold the Constitution...go figure

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

You can't equate pedophilia with consenting adults. That's what you call a false equivalency fallacy

You can absolutely compare pedophilia to homosexuality. They are both sexual urges that one either acts upon or runs away from.

The argument that you cant compare them cuz "consenting adults" is actually a very lazy argument intended to shame a person from making such comparisons.

Both are sexual attractions, therefore they are absolutely comparable. Its one thing to say "a person who engages in homosexual relations is the same as a child molester", its entirely different to point out that this could be a stepping stone to acceptance of other forms of sexual attraction.

 

[Dude653]

I say let them make their choices, but I can promise that Dude doesnt agree to that. He has worked hard to shame people for merely saying homosexuality is wrong.

He comes in disguised as a Christian, but his political views come before God. Its not actually about the constitution with Dude, its about him being angry that the people of this site would dare tell him hes wrong.

Let them make their own choices, but let those who dont live that lifestyle be free to not have to be forced to engage in and show approval to the lifestyle. I can absolutely imagine a day when me saying that we dont have to give into these urges just because we have them will be considered hate speech and punishable under the law.

You can say homosexuality is wrong. That's your constitutional right. See how that works?

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

The problem is that we are being forced to accept their values while we are denied the right to live according to ours, simply because they reject our values. They do not see the hypocrisy in this Instead they call their intolerance, "tolerance."

Yup, exactly. Sexual attraction > your beliefs.
We better get in line, haha.

 

[kaylagrl]

That's one little fringe group.

​Same thing they said about the Nazis...

 

[Dude653]

You can say anything is wrong. I will support your constitutional right to do so. However I will not support your right to violate someone else's rights based on your religion

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Christian theocracy and Muslim theocracy are actually pretty similar. In a Muslim theocracy is it illegal to be atheist or gay.
Side note... most of our founding fathers were deists

Wow, they have one small similarity!? Well gosh, we should all just become Muslim, then : p

 

[Dude653]

Wow, they have one small similarity!? Well gosh, we should all just become Muslim, then : p

They actually have a lot of similarities.
The problem with the accuracy is that you had to rely on man's interpretation of what the Bible even says.
What happens when some lawmaker reads 1st Corinthians and outlaws women speaking in church?

 

[kaylagrl]

Wow, they have one small similarity!? Well gosh, we should all just become Muslim, then : p

Rofl, now there's an answer!

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

You can say homosexuality is wrong. That's your constitutional right. See how that works?

Dude, Im not talking about the constitution with you, mang. Im pointing out that youve come here to shame Christians for even saying homosexuality is wrong, in conversations about the act itself, outside of the conversation of marriage.

You place your political views over God, you have blatantly refused to call this act sin, and Im even going to share your post here where you did soon to prove it to others.

Its not about the constitution with you.s, you merely use it as a way to shame the Christians of this site while making you feel as if youre more righteous than they are.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

They actually have a lot of similarities.

Stating the exact same point you made the first time while still not backing it up =/= an argument.

 

[PennEd]

You can say homosexuality is wrong. That's your constitutional right. See how that works?

No you can't! Didn't you read the article I just posted on the Air Force colonel getting kicked out for refusing to acknowledge another person's homosexual partner?

 

[Dude653]

Dude, Im not talking about the constitution with you, mang. Im pointing out that youve come here to shame Christians for even saying homosexuality is wrong, in conversations about the act itself, outside of the conversation of marriage.

You place your political views over God, you have blatantly refused to call this act sin, and Im even going to share your post here where you did soon to prove it to others.

Its not about the constitution with you.s, you merely use it as a way to shame the Christians of this site while making you feel as if youre more righteous than they are.

No don't get it twisted.
You can say anything is wrong. That's your constitutional right.
What I am against is using religion to violate someone's civil rights

 

[Zi]

It's all freedom of choice.

No one has to believe that God doesn't like homosexuality. Since I don't push my belief on others, I've lost nothing. No reason to be upset.

Bible is full of end time prophecy. Why act so surprised that unbelievers sin? It's their nature. They don't have truth.

When it becomes an issues that presses upon a believer it's called persecution. All that shall live Godly shall suffer from it..

You're just fighting the process..

 

[Dude653]

It's all freedom of choice.

No one has to believe that God doesn't like homosexuality. Since I don't push my belief on others, I've lost nothing. No reason to be upset.

Bible is full of end time prophecy. Why act so surprised that unbelievers sin? It's their nature. They don't have truth.

When it becomes an issues that presses upon a believer it's called persecution. All that shall live Godly shall suffer from it..

You're just fighting the process..

You're exactly right. Not everyone is going to follow the Bible. It even says so in the Bible. Persecution is when your rights have been taken away from you. When someone kicks down my door and takes my Bible then I will say I'm persecuted. But so far that hasn't happened

 

[Magenta]

You can say anything is wrong. I will support your constitutional right to do so. However I will not support your right to violate someone else's rights based on your religion

But it is perfectly fine for them to force us to violate ours?
The level of "political correctness" has entered the twilight zone.

[video=youtube;eP05iSzpz94]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP05iSzpz94[/video]

 

[Magenta]

You can say anything is wrong. That's your constitutional right.

Some things are clearly designated as wrong according to Scripture. So wrong, in fact, that they will lead to death. As Christians, we are not called to kill them, but to love them. Loving them does not mean letting them kill themselves via their lifestyle. Nor does it mean we allow them to trample our rights, or relinquish our values.

 

[Dude653]

Some things are clearly designated as wrong according to Scripture. So wrong, in fact, that they will lead to death. As Christians, we are not called to kill them, but to love them. Loving them does not mean letting them kill themselves via their lifestyle. Nor does it mean we allow them to trample our rights, or relinquish our values.

What rights are they taking away from you?