Trump wants to move us embassy to Jerusalem do you think it will cause issues???

[gb9]

funny how the media lectures us on the religion of peace, then shouts " don't do anything to upset them , they get violent ".

 

[7seasrekeyed]

funny how the media lectures us on the religion of peace, then shouts " don't do anything to upset them , they get violent ".

haha

the media understands that mentality because it describes them as well

 

[7seasrekeyed]

The violence has already started. I just saw it on Facebook

oh good

definitely no partiality there

I mean, hey! they will let you post a video of yourself in a wing suit smashing into a mountain and dying right then and there

talk about up to the minute reporting...or is that self reporting? hmmmm

anyway, in between fb & youtube, seems y'all got your bases covered

 

[kaylagrl]

Simple? I would invest on a course on Middle eastern History if I were you. Why should Christians support Israel exactly?
Israel has no liking for Christianity or Christians unless they can see an advantage in it. The majority of Jews do not even follow Judaism as they are supposed to. Israel is a man made state brought about by a mixture of humanitarianism, and politics that came to a head following WW2. Modern Israel has nothing to do with the Bible. God destroyed the Biblical nation in 70 AD following their rejection of Christ despite his constant warnings which still go unheeded by them 2000 plus years later. Israels existence relies on having the US propping them up. It is virtually your 51st state.

Ive done a study,apparently you either haven't or you prefer revisionist history to the truth.Why should Christians support Israel? Thats off the topic of what the OP posted and will derail the thread.The thread is about moving the American embassy to Jerusalem.

Now,as far as Palestinians they are Arabs.Israel is a sovereign country and they have a right to say where they want the capitol. America has a right to put the embassy where they wish.This act was passed in 1995 and Trump is keeping the promise,simple as that.

As far as your last paragraph its full of your own bias and opinions. It certainly isn't Biblical. I think you need to give the Bible,and history,another read.

 

[kaylagrl]

Israel is an apostate Nation who has rejected the Covenant of Christ. I am under no obligation to support them

According to Romans 11 your dead wrong.

 

[Magenta]

The violence has already started. I just saw it on Facebook

I got news for you, Dude. It started thousands of years ago, and greatly escalated when Muhammad came on the scene with his Satanic religion.

 

[kaylagrl]

Agree.
There are many Jewish comedians, including Seinfeld, who trash and mock
Jesus as part of their "comedy."
I have had many a run-in on the Israel Today chat site whereby Israeli Jews
openly blaspheme Jesus and repudiate him as any Messiah.
The ultra-conservative Jews you see on the TV are really quite nasty and
extremely offensive in their derision of Christians and non-Jews.
Openly hostile.

Israelis and Jews for all their atheistic humanism still want to be
'God's chosen people' to the exclusion of all others.

For the very best in videos exposing the corruption and hypocrisy of
Israel and Jewry one cannot go pass
Brother Nathaneal

https://www.youtube.com/user/zionget [SUB][/SUB]

The Jews are the apple of Gods eye. They are away from Him but according to Romans 11 there will be a remnant saved. We are to love the Jews according to Romans. Jesus was a Jew,Christians tend to forget that. Christianity has done more to discourage Jews from coming to Christ than to help them.We are to be a light to the world,that includes the Jews.God is not done with the Jews nor Israel,not by a long shot.

 

[kaylagrl]

Same place everyone else's is.
In the Bible where it says anyone who accepts Jesus Christ is considered by God to be part of the Covenant of Abraham.

​Romans 11

 

[kaylagrl]

If you believe your philosophy (as Hitler believed), post book, chapter, and verse. Israel is, and always will be the apple of Gods eye.

​Amen brother!

 

[kaylagrl]

Will Trump's decision spawn violence and protests? I'm sure. And for that reason, I would be hesitant to make the same decision. But aside from that, there is no reason not to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital.

I don't know how Palestinian Christians feel about Israel as a nation, but seeing as Jerusalem has historically been the capital for the Israelis and has never ceased to be recognized as their capital by them, only by other countries, then they have every right to call their capital their capital.

No other people group from the Israel area has kept their lineage clear enough to have any claim to the land. Other people groups intermixed and assimilated over time. But the Israelites were told by God to keep themselves separate, and many of them did (though not all, of course).

If you happen across Facebook accounts from the Middle East right now you will find many people sticking an image of the Dome of the Rock in the corner of their profile picture. I believe this explains the real core of the issue. Looking at the history of Islam, Muhammad initially instructed everyone to pray in the direction of Jerusalem and to worship Yahweh, but at some point he heard a "voice" telling him to pray toward Mecca instead. The people who refused to stop honoring Jerusalem and Yahweh would be considered rebels and those who joined him in praying toward Mecca were the new chosen people. So, really, it is a twisted irony that the people still devoted to worshiping the same God that Muhammad used to worship are suddenly being called apostates by him and his followers.

It's almost like Gentiles Believers calling themselves the new chosen people, as if God doesn't even recognize the Jewish people as anything unique anymore. I don't think that's the case. The Bible clearly states that the Gentiles were grafted into the "olive tree". Romans 11:11-24 has some helpful insight on that. Gentiles are now part of the tree, but the original branches are still there and will always be considered special and important.

This particular passage is intriguing and should challenge us Gentile believers...

Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. [SUP]23 [/SUP]And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. [SUP]24 [/SUP]For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree.

Another Amen to you brother!

 

[kaylagrl]

The violence has already started. I just saw it on Facebook

​You mean the tantrum...

 

[kaylagrl]

Sure ... but Israel today is not equivalent to the modern nation of Israel.
Israel of the Jews is the reestablishment of Judah.
Israel enjoys a new covenant unlike Judah.
A new covenant ushered in by Jesus Christ himself in which disciples (believers)
would receive the indwelling Holy Spirit and the Law of God would be in one's
heart. Paul explains this very well in his epistle to the Hebrews.

Israel is now the Spirit-filled church referred to as Ephraim.
Ezekiel 37 the valley of the dry bones is about the restoration of
Israel in the Millennium by the rejoining of Ephraim and Judah.

Jerimiah 31:31-34
33 but this shall be the covenant that I will cut with the house of Israel:
After those days, says Jehovah, I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it
in their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Matthew 21:
42 Jesus said to them, Did you never read in the Scriptures, "The stone which the builders
rejected, this One has become the head of the corner; this is the Lord's doing, and it is
marvelous in our eyes?"
43 Therefore I say to you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you and
given to a nation bringing out its fruits.

Mark 12:
9 Therefore what will the lord of the vineyard do? He will come and destroy the
vinedressers and will give the vineyard to others.

Luke 13:
34 Jerusalem! Jerusalem! the one killing the prophets, and stoning those having
been sent to her; how often I desired to gather your children in the way a hen
gathers her brood under the wings, and you did not desire it.
35 Behold, your house is left to you desolate. And truly I say to you,
You will not see Me until it come when you say, Blessed is He who comes
in the name of the Lord.

No the church has not taken the place of Israel. Thats false doctrine that goes under many names,one of which is replacement theology. The Jews get all the curses the Christians get all the blessing,this is false doctrine.

 

[kaylagrl]

The violence has never stopped only been under reported during the Obama years.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

The Arabs have vowed to push the Jews into the sea,they are about to get quite a shock. Apparently so will some Christians...

 

[kaylagrl]

funny how the media lectures us on the religion of peace, then shouts " don't do anything to upset them , they get violent ".

​Now there's a great point!!

 

[tanakh]

​Amen brother!

Another ''Christian'' insinuating I am a closet Nazi. I suggest you try moving to Israel and see what sort of reply you receive from their immigration department. In fact I would be surprised if you haven't already done so.

 

[kaylagrl]

Another ''Christian'' insinuating I am a closet Nazi. I suggest you try moving to Israel and see what sort of reply you receive from their immigration department. In fact I would be surprised if you haven't already done so.

​You better step back brother,I never insinuated you were a closet anything. I appreciate you not putting words in my mouth.

 

[Waggles]

No the church has not taken the place of Israel. Thats false doctrine that goes under many names,one of which is replacement theology. The Jews get all the curses the Christians get all the blessing,this is false doctrine.

History proves you wrong.

 

[posthuman]

to those saying that Israel is 'no more' in the eyes of God, and that the current nation is a farce, i am under the impression that the scripture is very clear that Yah has promised that He will not utterly forsake Israel, that He will come again and redeem His adulterous wife, personally, and that at that time they will recognize Him as Lord and Christ, nationally, with weeping. things like Ezekiel 38 & Zechariah 11-13 have yet to take place, and must take place, and they don't seem to me to be speaking of the church as some kind of replacement. every nation on earth will gather to attack evangelical Christendom in a literal war? please.

am i pleased because this is a step towards horrendous violence and sorrow? of course not. i am pleased because it is a step towards the completion of all things - because i am always looking towards His return, and His returning is the final solution to Jerusalem: His foot will step on the Mt. of Olives once more, and all will know He is Lord. i am pleased because it is the truth: Jerusalem is the city of David, not the city of Mohammed.

 

[tanakh]

​You better step back brother,I never insinuated you were a closet anything. I appreciate you not putting words in my mouth.

'Message of the cross' linked my Biblically based views with the Philosophy of Hitler. You reply to his statements with ''Amen Brother'' If you wish to avoid being misrepresented on this site Iwould advise you to be careful how and to who you express your opinions.

 

[posthuman]

'Message of the cross' linked my Biblically based views with the Philosophy of Hitler. You reply to his statements with ''Amen Brother'' If you wish to avoid being misrepresented on this site Iwould advise you to be careful how and to who you express your opinions.

hey without getting into an argument here - i just want to say that i love you Tanakh and we may not agree about the state of Israel but i understand and respect your position, and everyone else's here, on this issue, which is not an easy one to grapple with. certainly do not consider you a nazi! good grief

i have my view; it's probably more or less evident from my previous post, and if it conflicts with the understanding of others, it should not be a source of contention or animosity between brothers and sisters. that's all i wanted to say - i don't want any of us to become enemies with each other over this.

((i'm responding to Tanakh here but my sentiment goes for the rest of y'all too))