Net Neutrality repealed

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What will this do to $ and quality of the internet?
 
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Seriously! Yay! Thank you, US government, for acknowledging your ineptness to regulate and control. (BTW, that's got squat to do with real Net Neutrality. The Net is international, so can't be regulated by one government.)

Let freedom reign, yet again! The consumer is back in charge of his/her choices.

What next? Getting rid of the monopolies of AT&T and Comcast? woohoo! Hope!

Thank you.
 
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What will this do to $ and quality of the internet?
Well, for one thing the government is no longer in charge of what is and isn't permissible. (A chance to see true conservative views too.)

Quality of broadcast? It depends on your wallet size. Already does depend on your wallet size.

Quality of Internet? Same as always. "What the market bears."
 

maxwel

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What will this do to $ and quality of the internet?


Companies now have the legal right to throttle traffic and do all kinds of awful things.

This is not good.

This is just extremely not good... especially for small businesses.



If you have no idea what I'm talking about... you will in time, this isn't a small thing.
 
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I just spent a vast amount of time on a post, then when I hit "post quick reply" Trump deleted it. :D
 
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Companies now have the legal right to throttle traffic and do all kinds of awful things.

This is not good.

This is just extremely not good... especially for small businesses.



If you have no idea what I'm talking about... you will in time, this isn't a small thing.
Companies had that same right three years ago. Government "intervention" hasn't been that long. What I have noticed is that every time the government comes along to "help," we end up paying more and getting less.

-- Government decided to build a transcontinental railroad. They bankrupted the effort within a couple of years, so handed it off to business. Not only did business finish it, many, many people profited from it.

-- Government passed legislation to "protect us" from cable TV providers. The cost of cable TV skyrocketed starting the first day of the new regulations.

-- Government "helped" us poor, defenseless folks on Medicare by "insuring" prescription coverage. I was paying $50 a month for insurance, which included prescriptions, and next thing I know, I was paying $158 for insurance, plus a copay for prescriptions, and only the prescriptions they'd accept, AND had a huge donut hole in my policy that stopped me from taking some of those prescriptions. I couldn't afford it anymore.

(And you don't want me to get into how much government "helps" with Social Security or Medicare fully, unless you feel like reading a book. lol)

Every time -- every single time -- the government tries to "help" us, "help" costs more, and I get half of what I used to get.
 
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I just spent a vast amount of time on a post, then when I hit "post quick reply" Trump deleted it. :D
Had that happen earlier. Probably the Russian collusion. lol
 

Billyd

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I read 80%+ opposed repealing net neutrality. I wonder how many of that percentage actually know what net neutrality does.
 

Billyd

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What will this do to $ and quality of the internet?
In reality. Nothing. It may effect some when 5G becomes widely available, but that's at least two years into the future.
 
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What will this do to $ and quality of the internet?
It's about phone companies being able to slow your internet connection when you get close to your monthly data limit on your phone (so you will want to pay for a higher data limit).

They were already doing this in 2015 and people started complaining, and that is why the "Net Neutrality" law was passed. It forbids phone companies from slowing down (throttling) your internet connection on your phone when you get close to your data limit.

Now that the law has been revoked, they can once again slow down your connection if they want to.

This only affects cellphone internet because it has monthly data limits, not laptops or desktops.
 
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Billyd

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It's about phone companies being able to slow your internet connection when you get close to your monthly data limit on your phone (so you will want to pay for a higher data limit).

They were already doing this in 2015 and people started complaining, and that is why the "Net Neutrality" law was passed. It forbids phone companies from slowing down (throttling) your internet connection on your phone when you get close to your data limit.

Now that the law has been revoked, they can once again slow down your connection if they want to.

This only affects cellphone internet because it has monthly data limits, not laptops or desktops.
Not quite, but close. It allows ISPs to throttle the speed on non ISP originated data passing through their network. ie Verizon is my ISP. They are also the backbone for a large chunk of internet data from other providers. Under net neutrality both my data and other provider data must have equal access to the backbone. Without net neutrality, my data can have priority over the other data, or Verizon can charge extra for priority handling of any data.
 

maxwel

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Not quite, but close. It allows ISPs to throttle the speed on non ISP originated data passing through their network. ie Verizon is my ISP. They are also the backbone for a large chunk of internet data from other providers. Under net neutrality both my data and other provider data must have equal access to the backbone. Without net neutrality, my data can have priority over the other data, or Verizon can charge extra for priority handling of any data.

Big companies will use this to drive small companies out of business.



It's like this:

1. Business travels on the internet, just like truckers travel on highways.

2. This would be just like allowing a few big companies to own all the nation's highways.

3. Then, as if that isn't bad enough, you let those companies choose who can travel the highways at different rates of speed.

4. They would undoubtedly charge the big trucking companies a lot of money to travel faster, and they'd slow down all the small trucking companies even more... to make their big clients happy.

5. If this happened with highways and trucking companies, it would drive all the small companies out of business, and wreck the economy... goods and services would only be able to travel through a few big trucking companies, and those companies would drive out all competitors, and then raise all the rates of shipping on EVERYTHING.

6. This is essentially what is now allowed on the internet.

7. The internet is FAR more important to commerce than physical highways and trucking companies.


Conclusion:

If you really cannot see the negative consequences, and how bad this is for the economy... that's fine... I won't be posting again.

Over the next 12 months you'll probably see some of your bills go up, some of your service go down, and some businesses going out of business... and over time it will get worse.

I won't be answering any questions or rebuttals on this.
Have fun guys.
 
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Big companies will use this to drive small companies out of business.



It's like this:

1. Business travels on the internet, just like truckers travel on highways.

2. This would be just like allowing a few big companies to own all the nation's highways.

3. Then, as if that isn't bad enough, you let those companies choose who can travel the highways at different rates of speed.

4. They would undoubtedly charge the big trucking companies a lot of money to travel faster, and they'd slow down all the small trucking companies even more... to make their big clients happy.

5. If this happened with highways and trucking companies, it would drive all the small companies out of business, and wreck the economy... goods and services would only be able to travel through a few big trucking companies, and those companies would drive out all competitors, and then raise all the rates of shipping on EVERYTHING.

6. This is essentially what is now allowed on the internet.

7. The internet is FAR more important to commerce than physical highways and trucking companies.


Conclusion:

If you really cannot see the negative consequences, and how bad this is for the economy... that's fine... I won't be posting again.

Over the next 12 months you'll probably see some of your bills go up, some of your service go down, and some businesses going out of business... and over time it will get worse.

I won't be answering any questions or rebuttals on this.
Have fun guys.
im shocked how some can actually support this decision
 

trofimus

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"Net neutrality" means that your internet provider has to consider all your internet traffic as "zeros and ones", regardless of whether you are watching youtube, reading news or sending emails.

The cancellation of net neutrality in your country means that your provider can give you one internet speed for youtube and another one for twitter. He can now distinguish what you are using your connection for and react as he wants to it. Your internet traffic is not "neutral" anymore.

It has nothing to do with government control or with international use, I think. But it is wrong for you, either way.
 
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If it is bad to repeal, and the "bad" is conjecture,i would like to hear the conjecture supporting the repeal of what Obama did ti the internet.
 

Billyd

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Big companies will use this to drive small companies out of business.



It's like this:

1. Business travels on the internet, just like truckers travel on highways.

2. This would be just like allowing a few big companies to own all the nation's highways.

3. Then, as if that isn't bad enough, you let those companies choose who can travel the highways at different rates of speed.

4. They would undoubtedly charge the big trucking companies a lot of money to travel faster, and they'd slow down all the small trucking companies even more... to make their big clients happy.

5. If this happened with highways and trucking companies, it would drive all the small companies out of business, and wreck the economy... goods and services would only be able to travel through a few big trucking companies, and those companies would drive out all competitors, and then raise all the rates of shipping on EVERYTHING.

6. This is essentially what is now allowed on the internet.

7. The internet is FAR more important to commerce than physical highways and trucking companies.


Conclusion:

If you really cannot see the negative consequences, and how bad this is for the economy... that's fine... I won't be posting again.

Over the next 12 months you'll probably see some of your bills go up, some of your service go down, and some businesses going out of business... and over time it will get worse.

I won't be answering any questions or rebuttals on this.
Have fun guys.
The real problem is about two years away. With 5G it will be easy for providers to manage the speed of pass through data. Instead of buying data, we will be buying data transmission speed.