The politics of Gay rights.

[pckts]

If you operate a public business you should not be able to discriminate just because you do not approve of another's lifestyle.

Why is it you liberals want religious freedom for muslims or whoever to openly practice whatever and be accommodated by everyone in this pursuit, but you don't support Christians religious freedom to honor their religious values?

Do you understand that muslims do not have to shake women's hands in the workplace? But you want a gay cake to be forcibly made? Why do you want this?

Why don't you rethink what you said. Maybe you mean public utilities like electricity, water, police, fire department, and medical services. and not public businesses. Should a businessman who pays his own dues and lives off of his profits be legally forced to do the bidding of anyone on the street? No free will, flip that open sign around and then you have to accommodate everyone or you pay a fine?

 

[Zi]

Let's look into their sales then.. if they truly only made cakes for those of like beliefs then point made. And I mean to the T. If not like it or not they were being hypocrites.

Why is it you liberals want religious freedom for muslims or whoever to openly practice whatever and be accommodated by everyone in this pursuit, but you don't support Christians religious freedom to honor their religious values?

Do you understand that muslims do not have to shake women's hands in the workplace? But you want a gay cake to be forcibly made? Why do you want this?

Why don't you rethink what you said. Maybe you mean public utilities like electricity, water, police, fire department, and medical services. and not public businesses. Should a businessman who pays his own dues and lives off of his profits be legally forced to do the bidding of anyone on the street? No free will, flip that open sign around and then you have to accommodate everyone or you pay a fine?

 

[mj007]

While something doesn't come under obtuse or petty, yes I believe everyone has a right to religious freedom. Are you woken up every day with a call to prayer? No because that is obtuse. And not baking a cake for someone because you 'knowingly' observe that they are homosexual is petty.

This is different to someone coming in a cake shop and saying, please can you make me a cake out of breeze blocks, you could say no because that is obtuse.

At the same time you still watch movies, read books, eat food, buy things created by, or served by, homosexuals no doubt. Or do you ask everyone, are you a homosexual, before you decide whether to proceed with using that checkout, or do you research the creators, actors, writers, directors, before watching that movie?

What has serving someone, that you are 'able to serve', got to do with anything except self-importance? If someone says give me your coat, give them your coat. I don't think Jesus said BUT if they are homosexual...

It all comes down to self-importance. What has a cake got to do with importance? Don't let them have wedding cakes and maybe they will become heterosexual? No, such a stunt is pulled by someone eager to make self-importance out of their personal religious views.

And what kind of people will this attract? People who want to expose that, and are offended by this hypocritical attitude. So even if such a thing was intentional on the side of the homosexual, God allowed that to happen to teach them a lesson.

All religious arrogance and hypocrisy needs to be taught a lesson.

Why is it you liberals want religious freedom for muslims or whoever to openly practice whatever and be accommodated by everyone in this pursuit, but you don't support Christians religious freedom to honor their religious values?

Do you understand that muslims do not have to shake women's hands in the workplace? But you want a gay cake to be forcibly made? Why do you want this?

Why don't you rethink what you said. Maybe you mean public utilities like electricity, water, police, fire department, and medical services. and not public businesses. Should a businessman who pays his own dues and lives off of his profits be legally forced to do the bidding of anyone on the street? No free will, flip that open sign around and then you have to accommodate everyone or you pay a fine?

 

[Embankment]

Why is it you liberals want religious freedom for muslims or whoever to openly practice whatever and be accommodated by everyone in this pursuit, but you don't support Christians religious freedom to honor their religious values?

Do you understand that muslims do not have to shake women's hands in the workplace? But you want a gay cake to be forcibly made? Why do you want this?

Why don't you rethink what you said. Maybe you mean public utilities like electricity, water, police, fire department, and medical services. and not public businesses. Should a businessman who pays his own dues and lives off of his profits be legally forced to do the bidding of anyone on the street? No free will, flip that open sign around and then you have to accommodate everyone or you pay a fine?

I don't know anything about Muslims. How is baking a cake trampling on your freedom? What if you were a Christian ambulance company? Sorry buddy, I don't care how important it is for you to get to the hospital, no gays in my ambulance. Where is the cut off point?

 

[mj007]

And what about your dentist, touching your teeth, did you ask them if they are homosexual?

What about the doctor, who felt for your pulse, did you ask them if they are homosexual?

Homophobia in religion, with sparkly icing on top ('its not homophobia, its caring about their souls'), is religious hypocrisy.

Why is there a need to focus on such a thing? Whenever people do, I smell a I-was-brought-up-homophobic person. I never smell a, I only learnt to be against homosexuality because of the Bible, which is everyone's excuse.

It's like saying you own a gun and believe in guns because you are protecting the 2nd amendment. Of course you are, like all the other laws and amendments. It has nothing to do with you wanting a gun in the first place. It's exactly the same thing!

 

[pckts]

Let's look into their sales then.. if they truly only made cakes for those of like beliefs then point made. And I mean to the T. If not like it or not they were being hypocrites.

So you want to look into their sales, "to the T", and somehow be able to glean the values of the customers and compare those to the business owner's personal life? Is that practical or possible? NO. Does it have anything to do with what I said? NO.

It's up to the Christian to determine who they want to service based on their values, it's not up to you and your crack team of liberals to determine for them if they are properly enforcing their values.

It's the lifestyle of the business owner to service which customers they want, and they don't have to prove to you or anyone else they have the moral authority to do this.



Where does your motivation come from to make this ridiculous claim to defend gay cake buyers? Why do you want to enforce this convoluted inoperable system to expose Christians as hypocrites?

Do you believe the OT/NT are God's literal word, or do you cherry pick and also accept outside material? Just trying to figure out where this is coming from.

 

[pckts]

And what about your dentist, touching your teeth, did you ask them if they are homosexual?

What about the doctor, who felt for your pulse, did you ask them if they are homosexual?

Homophobia in religion, with sparkly icing on top ('its not homophobia, its caring about their souls'), is religious hypocrisy.

Why is there a need to focus on such a thing? Whenever people do, I smell a I-was-brought-up-homophobic person. I never smell a, I only learnt to be against homosexuality because of the Bible, which is everyone's excuse.

It's like saying you own a gun and believe in guns because you are protecting the 2nd amendment. Of course you are, like all the other laws and amendments. It has nothing to do with you wanting a gun in the first place. It's exactly the same thing!

"homophobia" is a natural response to an abomination. Those gnostic texts you accept as gospel have polluted you to the point I don't know where to begin, I guess begin with rejecting the gnostic gospels.

You smell your own BS.

 

[mj007]

It's pretty pathetic lol Oh no, I baked a cake for a couple and now I am part of their marriage, because it's all about me me me and I have to protect me, because I'm going to heaven and God might stop me if I bake a cake for those he hates. Or my extremely loving and Christ-like humble Christian friends will disown me as if they never knew me. Got to put myself first, rather than loving other people! Or, was it that secretly I hate them, and then I say God hates them, to justify myself? No, people never make God in their own image, that would never happen! People never ever use the Bible to justify something they 'already' believed in.

I don't know anything about Muslims. How is baking a cake trampling on your freedom? What if you were a Christian ambulance company? Sorry buddy, I don't care how important it is for you to get to the hospital, no gays in my ambulance. Where is the cut off point?

 

[mj007]

Ok so instead of respond to my post you take a side swipe with your own 'this is the truth about this person'. Well what a nice person you are, but I won't hold it against you.

Is that because you had nothing to say in response?

"homophobia" is a natural response to an abomination. Those Gnostic texts you accept as gospel have polluted you to the point I don't know where to begin, I guess begin with rejecting the gnostic gospels.

 

[Tommy379]

If you operate a public business you should not be able to discriminate just because you do not approve of another's lifestyle.

But is it a public business?

I believe the person who took the risk, put up the capital, and built it, owns the business. That makes it a private transaction.

A public business would be a department of alcohol beverage control store.

 

[Ellsworth1943]

And what about your dentist, touching your teeth, did you ask them if they are homosexual?

What about the doctor, who felt for your pulse, did you ask them if they are homosexual?

Homophobia in religion, with sparkly icing on top ('its not homophobia, its caring about their souls'), is religious hypocrisy.

Why is there a need to focus on such a thing? Whenever people do, I smell a I-was-brought-up-homophobic person. I never smell a, I only learnt to be against homosexuality because of the Bible, which is everyone's excuse.

It's like saying you own a gun and believe in guns because you are protecting the 2nd amendment. Of course you are, like all the other laws and amendments. It has nothing to do with you wanting a gun in the first place. It's exactly the same thing!

Just a question for you and those who agree with you---------
Do you also defend the right of killing babies? I know the "proper, politically correct" term is abortion.
It is the law of the land, so do you defend those who do such things?

 

[Magenta]

If you operate a public business you should not be able to discriminate just because you do not approve of another's lifestyle.

You seem unaware of the specifics of the case. Those being, the gay couple was free to buy anything that was for sale in the bakery. They, however, demanded to have something that was not for sale. They likely went there knowing that; it was a targeted attack on a Christian business.

 

[johnthebaptist]

Is it the sinner who is rejected or their sinful behaviour?
How do you know who is the sinner and who is not? By the way they dress, talk, act?
Do we not end up reacting to labels as if they define truth or love the person despite
the sin they find themselves in?

Mistakes happen but if there is no one who loves despite the mistakes who is there to go
to in time of need?

 

[pckts]

Ok so instead of respond to my post you take a side swipe with your own 'this is the truth about this person'. Well what a nice person you are, but I won't hold it against you.

Is that because you had nothing to say in response?

I responded to your false presumption homophobia is a social construct by people who "hate gays", rather than a natural construct of the mind.

When you operate on this false presumption, I can't respond to the rest of the post working under this false presumption as the truth. I can only tell you I think it's false.

If you mean your previous post I saw the second one first because all of your cronies are rallying together to defend abominations. I'll get to it if I want to.

 

[mj007]

I haven't given it much thought so I can't answer that sorry Ellsworth. While you make it a simple subject, I don't think it is really. I'm sure you asked it in genuine spirit and light though, I'm sure.

Just a question for you and those who agree with you---------
Do you also defend the right of killing babies? I know the "proper, politically correct" term is abortion.
It is the law of the land, so do you defend those who do such things?

 

[WineRose]

I didn't imagine that this conversation could possibly have more salt in the air than the Not By Works thread...but here we are.

At least the Not By Works people occasionally look like they're enjoying themselves there.

 

[Ellsworth1943]

Is it the sinner who is rejected or their sinful behaviour?
How do you know who is the sinner and who is not? By the way they dress, talk, act?
Do we not end up reacting to labels as if they define truth or love the person despite
the sin they find themselves in?

Mistakes happen but if there is no one who loves despite the mistakes who is there to go
to in time of need?

This is not about loving or hating the sinner, it is about not encouraging them to continue in their sin.

 

[kaylagrl]

I cannot wait until this happens in a Muslim business and watch progressive libs go coo-coo as to which one to support,the gays or the Muslims. lol

 

[Tommy379]

All of y'all make the stupidest argument.

There shouldn't be an argument over homosexual marriage. The argument should be about the continued involvement of the government in marriage. A smart Republican would have advocated the repeal of marriage laws in their state.

The argument shouldn't be about a person's religious beliefs and participating in a transaction with homosexuals. A smart bakery owner would have refused, and never given a reason why. The argument would be about how much autonomy a business owner has.

 

[tourist]

You seem unaware of the specifics of the case. Those being, the gay couple was free to buy anything that was for sale in the bakery. They, however, demanded to have something that was not for sale. They likely went there knowing that; it was a targeted attack on a Christian business.

It was planned even before they entered the bakery to sue the owner. What a miscarriage of justice. Sad.