Transgendered traitor is now running for the Senate
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If civilians were deliberately targeted exclusively, then yes, that would be illegal, and immoral. The US does not deliberately target civilians, unlike our current enemy.
Many times, sadly, there are civilians caught "in the crossfire", so to speak, and are usually referred to as collateral damage. That is a terrible side effect of war.
The US has gone way beyond what most countries do to prevent collateral damage...
Many times, sadly, there are civilians caught "in the crossfire", so to speak, and are usually referred to as collateral damage. That is a terrible side effect of war.
The US has gone way beyond what most countries do to prevent collateral damage...
I saw this in my news feed this morning, and immediately fingered ‘Chelsea’ as a guy, because of the facial structure.
I’m busy fighting the declaration of being “for” abortion in grant applications to even get the computer program to work, in my sad country, but paused long enough to think that even with Trump, the media is leading the masses down the same primrose path to oblivion as in Canada. Sometimes I am glad that I am old and I will die before things become so bad, you can’t live as a Christian.
And then I remember my grandchildren, and my duty to show them Jesus, and I wish for a longer life! And that if God does save my grandchildren, what kind of society will they have to live in?
I’m busy fighting the declaration of being “for” abortion in grant applications to even get the computer program to work, in my sad country, but paused long enough to think that even with Trump, the media is leading the masses down the same primrose path to oblivion as in Canada. Sometimes I am glad that I am old and I will die before things become so bad, you can’t live as a Christian.
And then I remember my grandchildren, and my duty to show them Jesus, and I wish for a longer life! And that if God does save my grandchildren, what kind of society will they have to live in?
And the U.S. goes way beyond to help people in the world,and to try to liberate people being oppressed in other nations,and to give them a place of refuge in America to have a better life.
But Trump said America is too nice,so it might change,and will the world be mad that America is not so nice anymore,when they do not do the same at any time.
But is it a good thing that America did this,or is it a plan to actually want the nations to come together as one,thus not giving any good intention to America,but only America wanting to bring the nations together so they can establish the new age movement interpretation of the Bible in the world,based on evolution,and people can still evolve through nature,which they do not believe that the New Age Christ will help them to achieve peace on earth until the nations come together as one to have peace on earth.
The Bible warns us of the new age movement,so was America's intentions good that they allowed religious diversity,and all ethnic groups to be in America to show the world that they can get along despite their differences,and on the back of the dollar bill,announcing the conception of a new order of the ages,and out of many,one.Not according to the Bible it is not.
I believe Trump is in office to make Christians look bad,and he really does not care about Christianity,for the time has come for that to happen.
But Trump said America is too nice,so it might change,and will the world be mad that America is not so nice anymore,when they do not do the same at any time.
But is it a good thing that America did this,or is it a plan to actually want the nations to come together as one,thus not giving any good intention to America,but only America wanting to bring the nations together so they can establish the new age movement interpretation of the Bible in the world,based on evolution,and people can still evolve through nature,which they do not believe that the New Age Christ will help them to achieve peace on earth until the nations come together as one to have peace on earth.
The Bible warns us of the new age movement,so was America's intentions good that they allowed religious diversity,and all ethnic groups to be in America to show the world that they can get along despite their differences,and on the back of the dollar bill,announcing the conception of a new order of the ages,and out of many,one.Not according to the Bible it is not.
I believe Trump is in office to make Christians look bad,and he really does not care about Christianity,for the time has come for that to happen.
And how is it that for example a boy in a male body only knowing
'maleness' gets the idea that he is not really a boy and wants
to become female?
He only knows what it is to be a boy.
So unless there is an extreme case of medical hormonal dysfunction
what are the chances that trangenderism in young people is a mental "illness"
(psychiatrists identify gender dysphoria as a listed illness that can be treated)
or a product of gender confusion through
absentee father or mother?
dysfunctional parenting?
too many siblings of the opposite sex?
pop culture and pretty boys of the music industry?
teachers and others whispering in their ears - "You can be whatever you
want to be"
Men have always dressed up as women in the theatre (always)
Men in ladies wear is not to uncommon in movies.
The woman shall not wear that which pertains unto a man, neither shall a man
put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.
Deuteronomy 22:5
'maleness' gets the idea that he is not really a boy and wants
to become female?
He only knows what it is to be a boy.
So unless there is an extreme case of medical hormonal dysfunction
what are the chances that trangenderism in young people is a mental "illness"
(psychiatrists identify gender dysphoria as a listed illness that can be treated)
or a product of gender confusion through
absentee father or mother?
dysfunctional parenting?
too many siblings of the opposite sex?
pop culture and pretty boys of the music industry?
teachers and others whispering in their ears - "You can be whatever you
want to be"
Men have always dressed up as women in the theatre (always)
Men in ladies wear is not to uncommon in movies.
The woman shall not wear that which pertains unto a man, neither shall a man
put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.
Deuteronomy 22:5
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I agree with everything you said here in this post--
but, I think labels like: "convicted transgendered traitor," does not define a human-being that one day might turn to God, in which they would discover their true identity in Christ. It might define what they have done, but not who they are called to be--
before we cast final judgment on another, we should ask ourselves how they ended up the way they are, and how we would have fared if we were placed in the same circumstances and environment, such as nature/nurture, and such--
I know it's not the Bible, but, some of those wacky sci-fi series stories can really get you thinking.
for example-- I used to despise Mormons, because religions that oppose the Gospel can be maddening and sneaky and confusing, and have a spooky way of controlling their members. But, I realized that they have good points, such as a community spirit, and they courageously reach out to the public like we as Christians should be doing more of.
then I saw an episode of either the Twilight Zone, or Outer Limits where a person found themselves on the other side of their gun, so-to-speak, and became the person they were persecuting, begging for mercy.
And I thought, "am I trying to help these people, or just persecute them?" What if God was able to put me in the same position? Being born into another religion?
I know this is just hypo-thetical, but, I'm positive the same message is in the Bible.
And here's another crazy one--
Christian men, married or not, who think they can get away with electronic fornication. What if their punishment was to be forced to live their lives surrounded by Muslim women in full Burkha's, even in bed, never again to see a woman in a bikini--zero-sexuality expression in public.
That would be the twilight zone wouldn't it?
God exists outside of time and space--it's theoretically possible; He wrote the Bible and can interpret it any way He chooses.
Anyway-- just a warning from the Twilight Zone...
We should be careful not to end up in the shoes of our enemies--
I'm sure that's in the Bible somewhere--
Maybe it was just my mother's warnings--
but, I think labels like: "convicted transgendered traitor," does not define a human-being that one day might turn to God, in which they would discover their true identity in Christ. It might define what they have done, but not who they are called to be--
before we cast final judgment on another, we should ask ourselves how they ended up the way they are, and how we would have fared if we were placed in the same circumstances and environment, such as nature/nurture, and such--
I know it's not the Bible, but, some of those wacky sci-fi series stories can really get you thinking.
for example-- I used to despise Mormons, because religions that oppose the Gospel can be maddening and sneaky and confusing, and have a spooky way of controlling their members. But, I realized that they have good points, such as a community spirit, and they courageously reach out to the public like we as Christians should be doing more of.
then I saw an episode of either the Twilight Zone, or Outer Limits where a person found themselves on the other side of their gun, so-to-speak, and became the person they were persecuting, begging for mercy.
And I thought, "am I trying to help these people, or just persecute them?" What if God was able to put me in the same position? Being born into another religion?
I know this is just hypo-thetical, but, I'm positive the same message is in the Bible.
And here's another crazy one--
Christian men, married or not, who think they can get away with electronic fornication. What if their punishment was to be forced to live their lives surrounded by Muslim women in full Burkha's, even in bed, never again to see a woman in a bikini--zero-sexuality expression in public.
That would be the twilight zone wouldn't it?
God exists outside of time and space--it's theoretically possible; He wrote the Bible and can interpret it any way He chooses.
Anyway-- just a warning from the Twilight Zone...
We should be careful not to end up in the shoes of our enemies--
I'm sure that's in the Bible somewhere--
Maybe it was just my mother's warnings--
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I agree with most of what you are saying. One of the issues, and this is supported in the Bible and Christian history, is whether a person trespasses with "full knowledge and full consent." While I'm not Catholic, I do remember reading this as a criteria for a "mortal sin," or sin that, in Catholic theology can result in final separation from God. Or a person willingly and knowingly transgresses serious known civil laws without a valid reason, since Christians are mandated by the Bible to obey civil authorities, or willingly and knowingly trespasses God's laws and morality.
The obvious problem here is how is this interpreted by civil courts, military courts, and church authority?
In the Old Testament, the God of Israel reluctantly allowed, after considering the highest order of divine mercy-- as Abraham pleaded for mercy
"I would spare the city for even 10 righteous people," (Gen. 18:31)
a few cities to be destroyed by Angels because they had become completely overcome by demonic orgies, including same-sex.
Jesus was more merciful towards a woman caught in adultery who was about to be publicly stoned to death--
"The law of Moses says to stone her. What do you say?”
“All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!” (John 8:5-7; NLT)
In the case of Lt. Kelly flinn, a B-52 pilot who tried to cover-up an affair in 1997, under General Article 134 in the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), Flinn was charged with adultery, giving a false statement, conduct unbecoming an officer, and disobeying an order of a superior commissioned officer.
I've never been military, but that sounds pretty serious to me for an officer who flew an aircraft with theoretically enough nuclear weapons to destroy 50 cities. And she did face a court-martial with a possible 9 years imprisonment. But, she was given a General Discharge--no prison;
Were her offenses "war crimes"?
In the Old Testament, cities were destroyed for sodomy. People were publicly executed by stones for adultery. And in the New Testament, Jesus focused on spiritual death and spiritual imprisonment and even Hell as a final condemnation for fornication (unblessed sexuality of mind and body) and adultery (cheating on a marriage). The Apostle Paul confirmed this.
So, my point is that if 9 years sentence was excused for a female officer who committed serious offenses, knowingly and willingly, then 7 years was enough for a disturbed enlisted person who knowingly shared classified video information. In fact, I think Manning's behavior proves the argument that solitary confinement is "cruel and unusual punishment," designed to produce insanity, permanent disability and/or death.
Even though I am a conservative, I still agree with former President Obama commuting Manning's 35-year sentence, which clearly amounted to "cruel and unusual punishment," a violation of the 8th amendment under modern standards of civilization in a free-society, where in a non-military court, the offense might have fallen under free-speech rules.
Chelsea Manning has served a tough prison sentence,” Obama said. “It has been my view that given she went to trial; that due process was carried out; that she took responsibility for her crime; that the sentence that she received was very disproportionate relative to what other leakers had received; and that she had served a significant amount of time; that it made sense to commute and not pardon her sentence. … I feel very comfortable that justice has been served.” (Huffingtonpost--January 26, 2017)
The obvious problem here is how is this interpreted by civil courts, military courts, and church authority?
In the Old Testament, the God of Israel reluctantly allowed, after considering the highest order of divine mercy-- as Abraham pleaded for mercy
"I would spare the city for even 10 righteous people," (Gen. 18:31)
a few cities to be destroyed by Angels because they had become completely overcome by demonic orgies, including same-sex.
Jesus was more merciful towards a woman caught in adultery who was about to be publicly stoned to death--
"The law of Moses says to stone her. What do you say?”
“All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!” (John 8:5-7; NLT)
In the case of Lt. Kelly flinn, a B-52 pilot who tried to cover-up an affair in 1997, under General Article 134 in the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), Flinn was charged with adultery, giving a false statement, conduct unbecoming an officer, and disobeying an order of a superior commissioned officer.
I've never been military, but that sounds pretty serious to me for an officer who flew an aircraft with theoretically enough nuclear weapons to destroy 50 cities. And she did face a court-martial with a possible 9 years imprisonment. But, she was given a General Discharge--no prison;
Were her offenses "war crimes"?
In the Old Testament, cities were destroyed for sodomy. People were publicly executed by stones for adultery. And in the New Testament, Jesus focused on spiritual death and spiritual imprisonment and even Hell as a final condemnation for fornication (unblessed sexuality of mind and body) and adultery (cheating on a marriage). The Apostle Paul confirmed this.
So, my point is that if 9 years sentence was excused for a female officer who committed serious offenses, knowingly and willingly, then 7 years was enough for a disturbed enlisted person who knowingly shared classified video information. In fact, I think Manning's behavior proves the argument that solitary confinement is "cruel and unusual punishment," designed to produce insanity, permanent disability and/or death.
Even though I am a conservative, I still agree with former President Obama commuting Manning's 35-year sentence, which clearly amounted to "cruel and unusual punishment," a violation of the 8th amendment under modern standards of civilization in a free-society, where in a non-military court, the offense might have fallen under free-speech rules.
Chelsea Manning has served a tough prison sentence,” Obama said. “It has been my view that given she went to trial; that due process was carried out; that she took responsibility for her crime; that the sentence that she received was very disproportionate relative to what other leakers had received; and that she had served a significant amount of time; that it made sense to commute and not pardon her sentence. … I feel very comfortable that justice has been served.” (Huffingtonpost--January 26, 2017)
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The reason I described the person that way is because that is the story.... If "Joe Blow from Kokomo" decides to run for the Senate, it's not any kind of news story. If a celebrity decides to run for public office, it's a 10 minute news story...
If a convicted traitor to our nation, who also has become "transgendered" decides to run for the Senate.... that is a story. One that I think we should be aware of and concerned with.
I don't spend any time worrying about, or being offended by, transgender folks, or gay folks, or man-sluts.... I recognize that we all have issues and problems in our lives... I can relate to those folks.... heck, I AM those folks.
The NEWS factor is the "convicted traitor" part. That person, transgendered or straight/gay/bi/hetero/whatever should be in prison..... NOT running for the US Senate.
If a convicted traitor to our nation, who also has become "transgendered" decides to run for the Senate.... that is a story. One that I think we should be aware of and concerned with.
I don't spend any time worrying about, or being offended by, transgender folks, or gay folks, or man-sluts.... I recognize that we all have issues and problems in our lives... I can relate to those folks.... heck, I AM those folks.
The NEWS factor is the "convicted traitor" part. That person, transgendered or straight/gay/bi/hetero/whatever should be in prison..... NOT running for the US Senate.
To be honest, the dude looks pretty scary, like all the rest of those who choose to be in the public eye. And I agree that someone who commits treason should not be allowed to run for office in that nation. But, my main point is that he spent 7 years in prison already, apparently including solitary confinement, and that most sentences in modern times are 3 to 5 times in excess of what constitutes non-legalistic justice. True justice must be relative to a transgression, based on variable circumstances, and can not be achieved through fixed, purely legalistic criteria--
That's called Islamic justice; Not Jesus justice.
That's called Islamic justice; Not Jesus justice.
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oh good grief
Jesus justice?
maybe you could tell us what that is exactly?
don't forget to include the wrath of God against all sin and Romans 1 as a great reference
do actually know ANYTHING about Islam and why would you compare it to a legal system in the US?
bizarre IMO
you know, most people here know the Bible is not as convoluted as what you attempt to twist it into
Jesus justice?
maybe you could tell us what that is exactly?
don't forget to include the wrath of God against all sin and Romans 1 as a great reference
do actually know ANYTHING about Islam and why would you compare it to a legal system in the US?
bizarre IMO
you know, most people here know the Bible is not as convoluted as what you attempt to twist it into