Transgendered traitor is now running for the Senate

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hornetguy

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To be honest, the dude looks pretty scary, like all the rest of those who choose to be in the public eye. And I agree that someone who commits treason should not be allowed to run for office in that nation. But, my main point is that he spent 7 years in prison already, apparently including solitary confinement, and that most sentences in modern times are 3 to 5 times in excess of what constitutes non-legalistic justice. True justice must be relative to a transgression, based on variable circumstances, and can not be achieved through fixed, purely legalistic criteria--

That's called Islamic justice; Not Jesus justice.
Jesus did not get involved much with civil "justice".... it could actually be argued that he told us to obey the laws of the land in which we live, which would also mean that we receive the punishment that the law of the land prescribes.

The forgiveness that Jesus taught us was intended to be for us, as individual followers toward the people with whom we come in contact.

Seriously.... are you willing to let a murder/rapist go free 70 X 7 times, before any punishment is meted out? That's how many times Jesus told us to forgive a brother who trespassed against us..

and.... back to the original subject..... IF this man/woman should be forgiven for the crime of treason, because they were somehow mentally impaired.... shouldn't that disqualify that person from seeking public office?

I'm ready for the onslaught of one-liners about "mental incompetence being a requirement for Congress, not a disqualification...."

I sort of set myself up for that.....:rolleyes:
 

Angela53510

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Yes, but you don’t have your top leader saying that all those ISIS fighters who went to Iraq, fought against our armies and allies, who now want to come back to Canada, are not going to be prosecuted for treason, but in fact, “repatriated” on my tax dollars.

Is it possible to repatriate a violent Muslim extremist? God could do it, but that is not what our Muslim Trudeau has in mind. He wants them to settle back into being peace-loving Muslim Canadians.

I could just cry about what Trudeau is doing to our country. At least you have Trump. But Oprah soon? That would be just scary!
 

hornetguy

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Yes, but you don’t have your top leader saying that all those ISIS fighters who went to Iraq, fought against our armies and allies, who now want to come back to Canada, are not going to be prosecuted for treason, but in fact, “repatriated” on my tax dollars.

Is it possible to repatriate a violent Muslim extremist? God could do it, but that is not what our Muslim Trudeau has in mind. He wants them to settle back into being peace-loving Muslim Canadians.

I could just cry about what Trudeau is doing to our country. At least you have Trump. But Oprah soon? That would be just scary!
my goodness... yes it would. Hopefully our country isn't quite that crazy yet..

Costa Rica is looking better all the time....:rolleyes:
 
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Yes, but you don’t have your top leader saying that all those ISIS fighters who went to Iraq, fought against our armies and allies, who now want to come back to Canada, are not going to be prosecuted for treason, but in fact, “repatriated” on my tax dollars.

Is it possible to repatriate a violent Muslim extremist? God could do it, but that is not what our Muslim Trudeau has in mind. He wants them to settle back into being peace-loving Muslim Canadians.

I could just cry about what Trudeau is doing to our country. At least you have Trump. But Oprah soon? That would be just scary!
Might I interest you in this years Canada calendar ? :)

 

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the mirror continues to crack as the world chooses and is spelled' away
from the Truths and Morals that were so Lovingly given us by our Holy Saviour...

if you dare, search your very own hearts and compare yourselves with His Commands...
 
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I have no use for this traitor/man masquerading as a woman.....makes me think of a Dokken song....BULLETS TO SPARE.......
 

HeraldtheNews

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Jesus did not get involved much with civil "justice".... it could actually be argued that he told us to obey the laws of the land in which we live, which would also mean that we receive the punishment that the law of the land prescribes.
HE said to "give to Caeser what belongs to Caeser, and give to God what belongs to God." (Matt. 12:22).
And, He did receive the punishment that the law of the land prescribes.
 

HeraldtheNews

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Yes, but you don’t have your top leader saying that all those ISIS fighters who went to Iraq, fought against our armies and allies, who now want to come back to Canada, are not going to be prosecuted for treason, but in fact, “repatriated” on my tax dollars.

Is it possible to repatriate a violent Muslim extremist? God could do it, but that is not what our Muslim Trudeau has in mind. He wants them to settle back into being peace-loving Muslim Canadians.

I could just cry about what Trudeau is doing to our country. At least you have Trump. But Oprah soon? That would be just scary!
They seem like such a happy couple to be Muslim-- are you sure?
 

HeraldtheNews

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That's why we have a popular saying Downunder ...

"only in America"
Michael J. "Crocodile" Dundee: "That's incredible. Imagine seven million people all wanting to live together. Yeah, New York must be the friendliest place on earth."

"You know God and Jesus and all them apostles? They were all fishermen, just like me. Yeah, straight to heaven for Mick Dundee. Yep, me and God, we'd be mates."

​No "shrinks;" "we just tell wally."
[video=youtube;PnvXnXTDTHE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnvXnXTDTHE[/video]
 

HeraldtheNews

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oh good grief

Jesus justice?

maybe you could tell us what that is exactly?

don't forget to include the wrath of God against all sin and Romans 1 as a great reference

do actually know ANYTHING about Islam and why would you compare it to a legal system in the US?

bizarre IMO

you know, most people here know the Bible is not as convoluted as what you attempt to twist it into
Let's see-- what is Jesus Justice?
It might help if you would accurately quote what I say. I said that God reluctantly destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for their orgies and total rebellion against God's laws. That's the wrath of God. I'm not defending what Manning did. To knowingly and willingly commit treason is a serious offense. He could have sought other ways to resolve the issues. And I am offended by non-traditional lifestyles, as I believe they are unclean, unhealthy, and result in emotional bondage. The only freedom in life is found in realizing our true identity in Christ ("The Bondage Breaker," Dr. Neil Anderson--Freedom in Christ Ministries).

The comparison to Islamic legalism, which is similar to the Pharisee legalism of the time of Jesus, and the American justice system, which is similar to Canadian since both are from English Common Law, is that Christ referred to those who put religious legalism over God's mercy, as a "brood of vipers," who had definitely "convoluted" Judaism. American justice can be chaotic, unjust, legalistic, and more often than not, under modern standards amounts to "cruel and unusual punishment."

I still agree with former President Obama's conclusion that 35 years was excessive. That solitary confinement is "an affront to our common humanity," and that justice reform is here to stay in America, and also likely Canada too.
But, there are two sides to the argument here. I think Manning's mental state effected his behavior. And soldiers should know, since they are not drafted, that they are not signing up for summer camp in Los Angeles.
From a well-known movie, the military trains people with strict discipline:
1) UNIT;
2) CORPS;
3) GOD;
4) COUNTRY.
(our soldiers would die for Canada too)

It's not very smart to knowingly betray, dishonor, or disobey the most powerful and visible armed services in the world, and expect to get away with it. Enlisted personnel should know that they can be executed for this, as Private Slovak was in WWII. Although he was a contientious objector, many of whom end up on Canada's porch.

I think the Edward Snowden case is different. I believe he was the helicopter pilot who disobeyed orders and used his helicopter to protect innocent civilians. I believe the rules of engagement have changed since the 1960's and that Snowden was engaged in the actual heat of combat, whereas Manning's offenses were mainly deliberately giving classified information to "Wikileaks," if I'm not mistaken.
I believe that the American government makes every effort to avoid collateral casualties, which makes the statement of Senator Sam Cotten even more shocking, since Snowden has received awards for taking heroic actions to obey military codes of ethics and honor which are described in the (UCMJ) Manual for Courts Martial, Rule 9169j) that describe when to disobey unlawful orders:
Rule 916(d) of the Manual for Courts Martial says:
It is a defense to any offense that the accused was acting pursuant to orders unless the accused knew the orders to be unlawful or a person of ordinary sense and understanding would have known the orders to be unlawful.
(warontherocks.com; July 24, 2017)

Senator Sam Cotton called Snowden, (who even the military eventually honored I believe) who was clearly obeying rule 916(j) of the (UCMJ) and basic humanity:

"an egotistical serial liar and traitor" who
"deserves to rot in jail for the rest of his life."
--Senator Sam Cotton about a helicopter pilot
who disobeyed orders in the Vietnam war to protect innocent civilians.

Nevertheless, soldiers who have broken moral or legal laws in the chaos of war, are covered under the authorization of state authority up to a point to use deadly force against enemies who threaten national or international security and safety, and should never despair of God's mercy, as Kind David, one of the greatest warriors of the Bible, confessed his sins of adultery against a commanders wife, and having him sent to the front lines to die, and was not condemned by God.
 
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hornetguy

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I still agree with former President Obama's conclusion that 35 years was excessive. That solitary confinement is "an affront to our common humanity," and that justice reform is here to stay in America, and also likely Canada too.
But, there are two sides to the argument here. I think Manning's mental state effected his behavior.
I think Obama should leave the decision about what is "an affront to our common humanity" alone. If we were concerned about affronting our common humanity, we would dispense with ANY incarceration... because that is an affront.

But.... it is SUPPOSED to be an affront to humanity, because those incarcerated have been proven to not care about humanity, and social mores.... if there are no "controls" on humanity, then we've regressed to the survival of the fittest. The weak get eaten.

Solitary confinement is used for many reasons in prison. Many times it is used for the protection of a prisoner, many times at the prisoner's request.

I still want to know what Manning's "mental state" was, and how that should affect his culpability, and punishment.
 

Prov910

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I still want to know what Manning's "mental state" was, and how that should affect his culpability, and punishment.
Heh. On the one hand some want us to believe that the transgender mental state is normal. On the other hand, due to this transgender person's mental state he was pardoned for his felonies and released from prison. Go figure. :shrug:
 

HeraldtheNews

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I think Obama should leave the decision about what is "an affront to our common humanity" alone. If we were concerned about affronting our common humanity, we would dispense with ANY incarceration... because that is an affront.

But.... it is SUPPOSED to be an affront to humanity, because those incarcerated have been proven to not care about humanity, and social mores.... if there are no "controls" on humanity, then we've regressed to the survival of the fittest. The weak get eaten.

Solitary confinement is used for many reasons in prison. Many times it is used for the protection of a prisoner, many times at the prisoner's request.

I still want to know what Manning's "mental state" was, and how that should affect his culpability, and punishment.
I guess the hornetguy never sleeps! and never forgets an arguement--
I'm just interpolating? if that is the right term?
You can make educated guesses from real life evidence. First of all, someone who would aggressively and knowingly share thousands of classified military documents while still in the military? Knowing they can be executed, can't be hitting on all cylinders, at least this is implied. Especially if he was a trained surveillance specialist, he would have known that there would be hundreds of military co-vert ops on his a* before the sun set. Isn't that a sign of delusional, or even suicidal behavior? And then he decides to make a gender-swap in leavenworth?
I think it's proof that solitary confinement, and the prison environment is designed to induce insanity, and certainly permanent disability. And he is still showing signs of possible reality impairment that could endanger his life, by seeking a high public profile and embarrassing the Army.
I don't know for sure how reality perception is evaluated.
But, denial of reality is a psychological condition according to this definition from Wikipedia.com--
"The forms of denialism present the common feature of the person rejecting overwhelming evidence and the generation of political controversy with attempts to deny the existence of consensus The motivations and causes of denialism include religion and self-interest (economic, political, financial) and defense mechanisms meant to protect the psyche of the denialist against mentally disturbing facts and ideas."

It's not easy to see what makes people tick sometimes. It's hard to say--PTSD from war; life traumas; possible delusional thinking; But, from my own experience in dealing with people, denial type thinking can also be a sign of anti-social behavior, which public transgender behavior is a sign of in my opinion, and just outright rebellion against God's laws.

Who is more dangerous?
Would you trust Sen Sam Cotton with the 8,000 Megaton Nuke button? Or PFC Manning?
Oprah Winfrey?
I'd probably trust Lt. Kelley Flinn in this bunch.

As far as accountability goes, the interests of the Army and Air Force were served in both the Manning and Flinn cases, because the Army sent a message to whistle-blowers that they can legally face execution or 35 years in prison, even though Manning's sentence was commuted as time served, it was an exception. And the Air Force preserved the honor of accountability of officers, even though Flinn was an exception as a female officer committing adultery, and deterred male officers from adultery by raising awareness that it is an offense that can lead to a court-martial. But, she got off pretty easy considering the high level of responsibility of a B-52 pilot.

As far as civilian courts-- the case of Robinson vs. California (1962) determined that it was cruel and unusual punishment to criminalize drug addiction:

JUSTICE STEWART:






"California has said that a person can be continuously guilty of this offense, whether or not he has ever used or possessed any narcotics within the State, and whether or not he has been guilty of any antisocial behavior there.It is unlikely that any State at this moment in history would attempt to make it a criminal offense for a person to be mentally ill, or a leper, or to be afflicted with a venereal disease. A State might determine that the general health and welfare require that the victims of these and other human afflictions be dealt with by compulsory treatment, involving quarantine, confinement, or sequestration. But, in the light of contemporary human knowledge, a law which made a criminal offense of such a disease would doubtless be universally thought to be an infliction of cruel and unusual punishment in violation of the Eighth and Fourteenth Amendments. See Francis v. Resweber"


We hold that a state law which imprisons a person thus afflicted as a criminal, even though he has never touched any narcotic drug within the State or been guilty of any irregular behavior there, inflicts a cruel and unusual punishment in violation of the Fourteenth Amendment. To be sure, imprisonment for ninety days is not, in the abstract, a punishment which is either cruel or unusual. But the question cannot be considered in the abstract. Even one day in prison would be a cruel and unusual punishment for the "crime" of having a common cold.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Let's see-- what is Jesus Justice?
It might help if you would accurately quote what I say. I said that God reluctantly destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for their orgies and total rebellion against God's laws. That's the wrath of God. I'm not defending what Manning did. To knowingly and willingly commit treason is a serious offense. He could have sought other ways to resolve the issues. And I am offended by non-traditional lifestyles, as I believe they are unclean, unhealthy, and result in emotional bondage. The only freedom in life is found in realizing our true identity in Christ ("The Bondage Breaker," Dr. Neil Anderson--Freedom in Christ Ministries).

The comparison to Islamic legalism, which is similar to the Pharisee legalism of the time of Jesus, and the American justice system, which is similar to Canadian since both are from English Common Law, is that Christ referred to those who put religious legalism over God's mercy, as a "brood of vipers," who had definitely "convoluted" Judaism. American justice can be chaotic, unjust, legalistic, and more often than not, under modern standards amounts to "cruel and unusual punishment."

I still agree with former President Obama's conclusion that 35 years was excessive. That solitary confinement is "an affront to our common humanity," and that justice reform is here to stay in America, and also likely Canada too.
But, there are two sides to the argument here. I think Manning's mental state effected his behavior. And soldiers should know, since they are not drafted, that they are not signing up for summer camp in Los Angeles.
From a well-known movie, the military trains people with strict discipline:
1) UNIT;
2) CORPS;
3) GOD;
4) COUNTRY.
(our soldiers would die for Canada too)

It's not very smart to knowingly betray, dishonor, or disobey the most powerful and visible armed services in the world, and expect to get away with it. Enlisted personnel should know that they can be executed for this, as Private Slovak was in WWII. Although he was a contientious objector, many of whom end up on Canada's porch.

I think the Edward Snowden case is different. I believe he was the helicopter pilot who disobeyed orders and used his helicopter to protect innocent civilians. I believe the rules of engagement have changed since the 1960's and that Snowden was engaged in the actual heat of combat, whereas Manning's offenses were mainly deliberately giving classified information to "Wikileaks," if I'm not mistaken.
I believe that the American government makes every effort to avoid collateral casualties, which makes the statement of Senator Sam Cotten even more shocking, since Snowden has received awards for taking heroic actions to obey military codes of ethics and honor which are described in the (UCMJ) Manual for Courts Martial, Rule 9169j) that describe when to disobey unlawful orders:
Rule 916(d) of the Manual for Courts Martial says:
It is a defense to any offense that the accused was acting pursuant to orders unless the accused knew the orders to be unlawful or a person of ordinary sense and understanding would have known the orders to be unlawful.
(warontherocks.com; July 24, 2017)

Senator Sam Cotton called Snowden, (who even the military eventually honored I believe) who was clearly obeying rule 916(j) of the (UCMJ) and basic humanity:

"an egotistical serial liar and traitor" who
"deserves to rot in jail for the rest of his life."
--Senator Sam Cotton about a helicopter pilot
who disobeyed orders in the Vietnam war to protect innocent civilians.

Nevertheless, soldiers who have broken moral or legal laws in the chaos of war, are covered under the authorization of state authority up to a point to use deadly force against enemies who threaten national or international security and safety, and should never despair of God's mercy, as Kind David, one of the greatest warriors of the Bible, confessed his sins of adultery against a commanders wife, and having him sent to the front lines to die, and was not condemned by God.

I wasn't really asking

I guess you don't understand what he/she did or what muslim in chief did either
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Heh. On the one hand some want us to believe that the transgender mental state is normal. On the other hand, due to this transgender person's mental state he was pardoned for his felonies and released from prison. Go figure. :shrug:

it's whatever works

lies...conspiracies...false accusations...it's all good to bring about the desired failure of this country and turn it into a subservient entity for others
 
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All along it has been witnessed that professing Christians have stated they see nothing wrong with being sodomites, that they hurt no one, they aren't trying to press their ways on anyone, and that we shouldn't call it sin therefore &c.

This is to miss the forest for the trees. It is highly probable that the political climate in Sodom was lead by politicians who were homosexual. The society saw it fit to impose their practice on others.

Our nation is heading there fast and some professing believers are applauding.
 

HeraldtheNews

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I wasn't really asking

I guess you don't understand what he/she did or what muslim in chief did either
well, either you or angela53010 asked why I was getting a neuro-psych evaluation--
it's just an aid in counseling-- I kind of enjoy the tests and talking to psych folks, especially PHD's. An intensive test can help pinpoint counseling issues, such as depression and PTSD and aid in a diagnosis, not that I put much stock in labels, but it helps to see what is going on with aging issues, and other issues like mood swings, etc...
I think they focus on childhood traumas too, such as multiple moving in my case.
And of course PTSD from the Good Friday 1964 9.2 earthquake!
I will just tell the docs that I suffer from PTSD and "cruel and unusual punishment," from sassy Canadian ladies on the internet...
:cool:

as far as Trudeau, I remember that he abstained from the Jerusalem vote--
it's a very complex issue-- is he really that pro-Muslim?
I like his wife's singing!
 
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