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It is good that some states stand up against fascism.
Fascism---
A political philosophy that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

Yep, sounds like the California government. Might say the same for college professors, and all liberals and Democrats.
 

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Fascism---
A political philosophy that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

Yep, sounds like the California government. Might say the same for college professors, and all liberals and Democrats.
Looks like you found the definition from before they changed it.
 
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Looks like you found the definition from before they changed it.
Old Webster's dictionary.
Yea, before the libs changed it's meaning.
They do that a lot.
 

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Fascism---
A political philosophy that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

Sounds more like Trump and his Russian supporters.



Yep, sounds like the California government. Might say the same for college professors, and all liberals and Democrats.
Yep, everyone but you is wrong.

Are you afraid to let people be free?

Some say that they want less government, but then want government to "crack down" on everybody else.

Moral issues are not criminal. They are religious issues.

And issues of religious morality between people living in peace, should not become criminal.
 
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Sounds more like Trump and his Russian supporters.





Yep, everyone but you is wrong.

Are you afraid to let people be free?

Some say that they want less government, but then want government to "crack down" on everybody else.

Moral issues are not criminal. They are religious issues.

And issues of religious morality between people living in peace, should not become criminal.
I am not a Trump fan, but-----
I live (10 years now) in an area that has voted Democratic since forever and is completely controlled by liberal Democrats.
Ant time I or any other person has tried to speak against any agenda in a public meeting, we have been told we are out of order, shouted down, and in some cases escorted out. They will not allow opposition.
Yea, that is real tolerance and free speech practiced by these liberal Democrats.
 

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I am not a Trump fan, but-----
I live (10 years now) in an area that has voted Democratic since forever and is completely controlled by liberal Democrats.
Ant time I or any other person has tried to speak against any agenda in a public meeting, we have been told we are out of order, shouted down, and in some cases escorted out. They will not allow opposition.
Yea, that is real tolerance and free speech practiced by these liberal Democrats.
Well, democrats can do that, republicans can do that, independents can do that, it's not the party affiliation, it's the spirit of bullies and those who don't respect the rights of others.

You don't say what your disagreement was over. That's ok. it's the principal of free speech that is the issue.

People are not perfect, did you expect the kingdoms of this world to be any different? ever? through all time? I mean, that's the way the world always was, right?

But when we have free speech, we can preach the gospel, the truth and, we must have the faith to believe, that the preaching of the gospel, will change the heart and minds of people to the ways of peace. The very foundation of our nation, knowing and sharing peace with God and men through Jesus.

The power of the gospel sword, to strike the soul, is our only hope, and always was.

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Do Americans allow supremacists within the borders? Yes, Why?

Because we believe in the truth, and that people will be persuaded to do the right thing.

When they actively begin to infringe on the rights of others, that is the difference.

Believing something against the Bible, or the Bishop of Rome, or being a different religion, is not a crime.

Being atheist, is not a crime, but their morality will differ from ours. Shall we arrest them for being immoral?
 
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Well, democrats can do that, republicans can do that, independents can do that, it's not the party affiliation, it's the spirit of bullies and those who don't respect the rights of others.

You don't say what your disagreement was over. That's ok. it's the principal of free speech that is the issue.

People are not perfect, did you expect the kingdoms of this world to be any different? ever? through all time? I mean, that's the way the world always was, right?

But when we have free speech, we can preach the gospel, the truth and, we must have the faith to believe, that the preaching of the gospel, will change the heart and minds of people to the ways of peace. The very foundation of our nation, knowing and sharing peace with God and men through Jesus.

The power of the gospel sword, to strike the soul, is our only hope, and always was.

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Do Americans allow supremacists within the borders? Yes, Why?

Because we believe in the truth, and that people will be persuaded to do the right thing.

When they actively begin to infringe on the rights of others, that is the difference.

Believing something against the Bible, or the Bishop of Rome, or being a different religion, is not a crime.

Being atheist, is not a crime, but their morality will differ from ours. Shall we arrest them for being immoral?
Here is the issue--------
It is normal for those with a liberal agenda to suppress opposition not those with a conservative one.
It is the norm on collage campuses. I have only see such bad behavior by the radical, stupid white supremacist groups that unfortunately are called conservative.
 

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Here is the issue--------
It is normal for those with a liberal agenda to suppress opposition not those with a conservative one.
I'm sorry, but from here , it looks like just the opposite to me.


It is the norm on collage campuses.
I'm not so sure, have you been to every campus to find out?


I have only see such bad behavior by the radical, stupid white supremacist groups that unfortunately are called conservative.
Yes, they have taken over the republican party and seem to be in union with the Russian Mafia supporting them. It's all about the money and power.

This is not the respectable, trust worthy, republican party of Reagan/Bush. It has been hijacked by supremacists.
 
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I'm sorry, but from here , it looks like just the opposite to me.




I'm not so sure, have you been to every campus to find out?




Yes, they have taken over the republican party and seem to be in union with the Russian Mafia supporting them. It's all about the money and power.

This is not the respectable, trust worthy, republican party of Reagan/Bush. It has been hijacked by supremacists.
I live near a collage campus, and conservative speakers are never allowed.
While your statement about the Republican party is some what accurate, the same can be said about the Democratic party being taken over by the radical left.
I belong to neither party.
If only we were allowed to vote for "none of the above".
Would get my vote most of the time.
 

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I live near a collage campus, and conservative speakers are never allowed.
While your statement about the Republican party is some what accurate, the same can be said about the Democratic party being taken over by the radical left.
I belong to neither party.
If only we were allowed to vote for "none of the above".
Would get my vote most of the time.
We have "conservative republicans" here.

An elected official wrote that they should go door to door to find those of Islam, drag them out into the street and kill them.

So they had a meeting for people to speak.

The conservative republicans showed up with all their guns, "to protect free speech," they said.

Just the news and local residents were there, and the meeting went peacefully, but who were the guns against? the local citizens who were calling out the official for what he said?

Because the conservatives with guns were in agreement with the offical? That they should go house to house with out trial? But don't call them UnAmerican, no, no, they had flags with them, to prove that they were right. (And God was on their side).

This is sadly, a true story.
 

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Islam is pretty bad.
 

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Islam is pretty bad.
Sure, and the RCC of the middle ages and reformation, "Christians," were pretty bad too.

It's the spirit of oppression, instead of faith in the truth of Jesus.
 

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Sure, and the RCC of the middle ages and reformation, "Christians," were pretty bad too.

It's the spirit of oppression, instead of faith in the truth of Jesus.
Yeah, but islam is still pretty bad.
 

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Yeah, but islam is still pretty bad.

Tommy,

There are millions of Islamics, Buddhists, Hindus, atheists, etc. living in the US.

Everyday, millions go to work, worship, and live their lives in peace with one another.

Respectful of each others rights and beliefs.

But there are some, who do not respect the rights of others, they may come from any religion, state, or ethnic background.

It is the action of the person, that makes them a danger to others.

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How many American terrorists are there? Within the US?

Because some one from Colorado does something, we should wall off Colorado? Make them all get passports because people from Colo. are all bad?

Or Florida? Because someone went crazy and shot people because they were gay? Does that make all straight people crazy? Because a straight person in Florida went crazy? We should limit straight people in Florida from infecting the US by a wall or limited immigration?

Putting people in a box is injustice. It is the human/animal thing to do, to look at the flesh, the material world, not using the spiritual vision to see the condition of the soul.

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Tommy,

There are millions of Islamics, Buddhists, Hindus, atheists, etc. living in the US.

Everyday, millions go to work, worship, and live their lives in peace with one another.

Respectful of each others rights and beliefs.

But there are some, who do not respect the rights of others, they may come from any religion, state, or ethnic background.

It is the action of the person, that makes them a danger to others.

-----

How many American terrorists are there? Within the US?

Because some one from Colorado does something, we should wall off Colorado? Make them all get passports because people from Colo. are all bad?

Or Florida? Because someone went crazy and shot people because they were gay? Does that make all straight people crazy? Because a straight person in Florida went crazy? We should limit straight people in Florida from infecting the US by a wall or limited immigration?

Putting people in a box is injustice. It is the human/animal thing to do, to look at the flesh, the material world, not using the spiritual vision to see the condition of the soul.

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Yeah, but islam demands that it's followers kill the unbelievers.
 

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Yeah, but islam demands that it's followers kill the unbelievers.
Did you ever read the OT?

It also demands the death of many people.

Will you uphold the laws of Israel that command to kill?

Do Israelites today execute sinners?

Because the OT says that sinners must be killed, then we must see the Jews as the same as Islamics, Because both say to kill.

Are all Christians RCC, all Orthodox? You want to say that all are the same.

Shall we kill the children also?
 

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Did you ever read the OT?

It also demands the death of many people.

Will you uphold the laws of Israel that command to kill?

Do Israelites today execute sinners?

Because the OT says that sinners must be killed, then we must see the Jews as the same as Islamics, Because both say to kill.

Are all Christians RCC, all Orthodox? You want to say that all are the same.

Shall we kill the children also?
I've notice from previous post, you have a leftist ideology. Therefore, I don't expect you to understand, since your brain doesn't function properly. This is for everyone else.

A normal person couldn't compare the enforcement of Hebrew law, on it's own people to the dictates of islam, that they subdue the world, and kill those who refuse islam. If a person can't see the difference, there is no hope for them to ever have a normal, functioning life.

Also, I googled news articles of the Roman Catholic church, or the Holy Roman Empire, murdering unbelievers in the past 800 years..... it returned zero results. Maybe it's fake news. Google mohammedans murdering people..... I won't have enough time in my life to read through all that.

Around here RCC is the Rappahanock Community College.

I don't know why you trippin on killing children.
 

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I've notice from previous post, you have a leftist ideology.
So you don't believe that people should be free? Freedom is a far left idea. The right just wants a religious dictatorship.

They want god in government,....as long as it is their god.


Therefore, I don't expect you to understand, since your brain doesn't function properly.
Yes, I love all people, what's wrong with me? There is another leftist idea, love one another, even your enemies. How much further left can you go?


This is for everyone else.
A normal person couldn't compare the enforcement of Hebrew law, on it's own people to the dictates of islam,
A normal person won't care enough to compare them anyway. Some are afraid to compare them, because they may see something that they don't like.


that they subdue the world, and kill those who refuse islam.
That is only some people. There are radicals in every group.

Czar Putin is far more dangerous.


If a person can't see the difference, there is no hope for them to ever have a normal, functioning life.
I don't want a "normal, functioning life," I am a Christian, and that is much better.


Also, I googled news articles of the Roman Catholic church, or the Holy Roman Empire, murdering unbelievers in the past 800 years..... it returned zero results. Maybe it's fake news.
I guess that there was no reformation then, where millions of people were murdered by the RCC inquistion for not submitting to the Bishop of Rome.

The wars were all faked.

Brother, don't you ever read a history book?


Google mohammedans murdering people..... I won't have enough time in my life to read through all that.
There is a danger, and the fear mongers have used it to divide the people.


Around here RCC is the Rappahanock Community College.
Ha ha, that's funny.


I don't know why you trippin on killing children.
Because you may think, that when others start exercising their authority, that they are going to do like what you think, that they should do.

But in reality, when they start dragging people out of their homes, they will kill everyone, children too.

And you may say,"That's not right," but that is not what the people that you have empowered are going to listen to.

They will kill them all, regardless of you objections.

So it is with ethnic cleansing.

Is that what you are endorsing?
 

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So you don't believe that people should be free? Freedom is a far left idea. The right just wants a religious dictatorship.

They want god in government,....as long as it is their god.




Yes, I love all people, what's wrong with me? There is another leftist idea, love one another, even your enemies. How much further left can you go?






A normal person won't care enough to compare them anyway. Some are afraid to compare them, because they may see something that they don't like.




That is only some people. There are radicals in every group.

Czar Putin is far more dangerous.




I don't want a "normal, functioning life," I am a Christian, and that is much better.




I guess that there was no reformation then, where millions of people were murdered by the RCC inquistion for not submitting to the Bishop of Rome.

The wars were all faked.

Brother, don't you ever read a history book?




There is a danger, and the fear mongers have used it to divide the people.




Ha ha, that's funny.




Because you may think, that when others start exercising their authority, that they are going to do like what you think, that they should do.

But in reality, when they start dragging people out of their homes, they will kill everyone, children too.

And you may say,"That's not right," but that is not what the people that you have empowered are going to listen to.

They will kill them all, regardless of you objections.

So it is with ethnic cleansing.

Is that what you are endorsing?
You're conflating leftist with liberal ideology.
Leberalism is not in league with leftism. Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry, Thomas Paine, James Madison, Adam Smith, and myself... would be examples of liberals. A liberal believes in freedom of action for all individuals. Economic freedom, freedom of speech, freedom to worship, freedom to associate, or not associate. The right to property, and to prosper on our own terms. That democracy leads to tyranny, and republicanism ensures our own liberty, while protecting ourselves from eachother.

Leftism is an ideology that supports centrally planned economies, to use the force of government to ensure controls over labor. It suppresses speech as dangerous to the collective welfare of the population. It seeks to remove religious liberty, as it is seen as subversive. Democracy has generally been the device used to install leftist regimes. Violence is often used by leftist, to exert control over a population, yearning to be free. Over 100 million people were killed in the 20th century by leftist regimes. Examples of leftist would be: Karl Marx, Vladimir Lenin, Chairman Mao, Benito Mussolini, Joseph Stalin, and by your own admission, abcdef.

Now that's out the way.....

There is very much a difference between a society enforcing it's own law, on it's own people, regardless of how objectionable the tactics used may be, and islam. Islam is a religious/political system, that in no less than 109 versus of the koran, tells it's followers to: murder, rape, mutilate, and enslave unbelievers, to subjugate the world to islam.
If you can not comprehend the clear difference, there is no hope for you.
It's not just a radical element in islam that believes this, it's core to the islamic belief system.

Sir..... I have forgotten more history then you will ever know.
I'm sorry you feel hurt by wrongs committed by Catholics hundreds of years ago, a war that happened four centuries ago.... I really do feel sorry for you. You must have lost so much in Europe. I'm just so glad that protestant and orthodox Christians got their act together.
Then again...... so what? What does any of this have to do with my statement that "islam is pretty bad"??
It has nothing to do with it. You really have no argument to make. Your only purpose here is to propagate an idea that Christianity is evil, in comparison to islam. Leftist hate Christians so much, they are willing to enter into confederation with Islamist.
The problem with comparing islam to a war fought between orthodox and protestants........ Christians aren't mudering anyone in the name of God (by the way, would be a violation of the 3rd commandment)... islam is. To this day, islamist are out committing violence to bring the world under their control. It's happening right now.
Yes.... islam is pretty bad.

And to answer your final question..... no.