Another School Shooting, this time in Coral Spings, Florida

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Crustyone

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Just another instance of putting up a fence of law ineffective law enforcement after the raging bull of self gratification escapes from the barn of discipline. If children were disciplined at home before going out in the world, expecting that they will be able to do whatever they want, and talk their way out of it, there would be a lot less of these kinds of disasters. I am not worried about the guns. People use clubs and knives in lieu of guns and lately explosives to rage against a society they blame for messing up their lives. The number of deaths are not the point. The point is that these attacks are occurring more frequently the more people allow children to run their own lives.

The bible is only concerned that children not lose their lives due to discipline, not that they are mentally damaged by it. Indiscriminate discipline is not the Christian way, so I am not condoning parents beating a child, but a switch to the bottom drives out evil, as Solomon said.

Proverbs 12:1 Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, but whoever hates correction is stupid.
Proverbs 22:15
Folly is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline will drive it far away.
Proverbs 23:13-14
13 Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you punish them with the rod, they will not die.
14 Punish them with the rod and save them from death. [From the New International Version (NIV) of the bible.]
 
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notuptome

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We have removed Gods word and His presence from our schools. We have ceased to teach Gods principals to our children in our homes.

We saturate our children with sex, violence and self gratification and wonder why we have these horrible incidents? Do we want God or the government to ease the pain?

I hate evil and the suffering that it brings. I hate that men will not turn from evil to the God who created them.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

Billyd

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Here are some school shooting stats. Take a look at them. I personally believe that it is time to do something to reverse the trend.

School Shootings Sandy Hook to Parkland

My children and grandchildren have resorted to virtual schooling (state approved and paid for home schooling). I am not sure that it is the best solution. At least the children get to pray before and after classes, and can study from the Bible.
 

HoneyDew

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May God comfort the families of the deceased as well as give comfort and peace to those who survived. I saw a few clips from inside of the classrooms. Those poor children, no person should have to experience that. Especially a child.
 
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In each mass shooting case in the US there were warning signs that were ignored. IN Columbine, the two shooters had posted about death and destruction on facebook and they were antisocial and wore joker-style makeup, but mainly they posted about death and destruction... In the sand hook shooting, the guy had a history of mental illness. The guns he used were his mothers, and she was his first victim. In the San Bernardino shooting, the shooters were radicalized by terrorists groups and they posted about it on facebook. The only one with literally no warning signs was the Las Vegas shooter... and they still don't know what made him do it. In this current shooting, the kids themselves already felt that this guy would shoot up the school.

So I guess my point is that there has to be more done when these warning signs come up. The FBI said the didn't know about the San Bernardino's facebook posts because they have a policy of not spying on people's facebook accounts because its invasion of privacy or something like that.
 

Socreta93

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Supposedly this shooter had mental illness yet was allowed to purchase weapons legally. Yup they are protecting us alright
 

cre

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I really liked that last quote.
 
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finaldesire

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Luke 21:11 (NIV)
There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven.
 

hornetguy

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Supposedly this shooter had mental illness yet was allowed to purchase weapons legally. Yup they are protecting us alright
"They" who? The government?

While I agree totally that mentally unbalanced people should have NO access to firearms, how would you propose that we (they) make that happen?

I'm not being confrontational, I'm seriously interested in hearing some common sense, REAL solutions to this. HOW can we go about preventing mentally unstable people from getting firearms?

Require a clean mental bill of health in order to purchase? HIPPA laws prevent that.

Even if a clean bill of health is provided, what happens if a person buys a firearm, THEN goes south, mentally? How do you stop that?

Specifically, what law would prevent this type of thing?
 

Socreta93

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"They" who? The government?

While I agree totally that mentally unbalanced people should have NO access to firearms, how would you propose that we (they) make that happen?

I'm not being confrontational, I'm seriously interested in hearing some common sense, REAL solutions to this. HOW can we go about preventing mentally unstable people from getting firearms?

Require a clean mental bill of health in order to purchase? HIPPA laws prevent that.

Even if a clean bill of health is provided, what happens if a person buys a firearm, THEN goes south, mentally? How do you stop that?

Specifically, what law would prevent this type of thing?

I agree it's easier said then done. I just believe there should be some way to prevent someone like this dude from buying a gun legally. From what I saw on the news, it's very easy to buy a gun in that area.
 

jsr1221

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Just another instance of putting up a fence of law ineffective law enforcement after the raging bull of self gratification escapes from the barn of discipline. If children were disciplined at home before going out in the world, expecting that they will be able to do whatever they want, and talk their way out of it, there would be a lot less of these kinds of disasters. I am not worried about the guns. People use clubs and knives in lieu of guns and lately explosives to rage against a society they blame for messing up their lives. The number of deaths are not the point. The point is that these attacks are occurring more frequently the more people allow children to run their own lives.

The bible is only concerned that children not lose their lives due to discipline, not that they are mentally damaged by it. Indiscriminate discipline is not the Christian way, so I am not condoning parents beating a child, but a switch to the bottom drives out evil, as Solomon said.

Proverbs 12:1 Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, but whoever hates correction is stupid.
Proverbs 22:15
Folly is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline will drive it far away.
Proverbs 23:13-14
13 Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you punish them with the rod, they will not die.
14 Punish them with the rod and save them from death. [From the New International Version (NIV) of the bible.]
I wasn't spanked and I've never come close to anything similar of a school shooting. Spanking doesn't work for everyone, especially if someone had a bad experience from it as a kid him/herself.
 

Socreta93

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I wasn't spanked and I've never come close to anything similar of a school shooting. Spanking doesn't work for everyone, especially if someone had a bad experience from it as a kid him/herself.

I agree I was never spanked or hit by my parents. Am I perfect, no, but I am a Christian and haven't thought about killing innocent people. I will never hit my child. Just teaching them Jesus and discipline is enough for me.
 

hornetguy

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I agree it's easier said then done. I just believe there should be some way to prevent someone like this dude from buying a gun legally. From what I saw on the news, it's very easy to buy a gun in that area.
I agree with your wishes... but it is relatively easy to buy a firearm nearly anywhere in the US. Some individual states restrict certain types of firearms (like California), but there is a system set up by the federal government, that includes filling out a questionnaire form, and going through an "instant background check" (NICS) before a purchase can be made from any licensed firearms dealer.

In reality, the questionnaire is a joke, but the NICS check is pretty good at catching/preventing felons, etc from being able to purchase. The NICS check does NOTHING about any "mentally incompetent" people... again, HIPPA.
 

jsr1221

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Luke 21:11 (NIV)
There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven.
These fearful events have been happening for hundreds of years. It's nothing new. It'll continue until Jesus returns.
 

HoneyDew

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I'm all for being able to purchase firearms. But why an AR-15? I saw a video that one of the students made while in a classroom while this kid was shooting people. The shots sound so powerful it was very disturbing.
 

Oncefallen

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In reality, the questionnaire is a joke, but the NICS check is pretty good at catching/preventing felons, etc from being able to purchase. The NICS check does NOTHING about any "mentally incompetent" people... again, HIPPA.
Currently the only way someone with a mental health issue ends up in the "no buy" database is if they have been involuntarily (court ordered) committed to a mental institution. Of course when you get past that scenario, who decides what condition(s) and to what degree those conditions disqualify a person from firearms ownership. By far the majority of persons if they were to take a standardized psych test would score "borderline" for at least one disorder.

In reality if you were to calculate the total number of persons who are highly emotionally troubled that have access to firearms (either their own or a family member) and then look at what percentage of them that actually misuse those firearms I'm pretty sure that the number would be statistically nonexistent (so small as to be considered an aberration). At what point are we treading on the rights of thousands of persons in the hopes of maybe preventing one tragedy.
 

Oncefallen

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I'm all for being able to purchase firearms. But why an AR-15? I saw a video that one of the students made while in a classroom while this kid was shooting people. The shots sound so powerful it was very disturbing.
Even a .22 rimfire is going to sound loud in a confined space. The .223/5.56mm that is fired by the AR-15 is actually a relatively small round just with a lot of powder behind it. I have no idea why persons who commit these massacres love the AR-15 so much since it is no more dangerous than more benign looking rifles that fire the same round.
 
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I've been hearing in the news and on the radio that the FBI was tipped off to this shooter and didn't do anything about it. He apparently posted that he was going to become "a professional school shooter" on his facebook.
 

Oncefallen

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I've been hearing in the news and on the radio that the FBI was tipped off to this shooter and didn't do anything about it. He apparently posted that he was going to become "a professional school shooter" on his facebook.
With our system of laws there is little they could do (even if they found the claims to be credible) until he actually committed a crime. No law enforcement agency has the money in budget to follow someone day and night "just in case" they might make good on a random threat made on the internet.