Trump Is The Swamp

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DevotiontoBible

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Trump has headed the FBI for 1 1/2 years and they still are hiding information about Obama and Hillary from us. Well I am not buying it. Trump is to blame. He is the swamp too.
 
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Donald trump was elected to the Presidency and entered the Federal Government at a time when it was infested with liberals more than any other time in history ... One man, even the President, cannot clean all of this up by himself ... He is receiving no cooperation from Democrats at all and often not receiving any cooperation from Republicans either ... Of the money donated during the 2016 election by the State Department, 99% of that money was donated to the Clinton campaign ... Of 14 major government agencies 2016 election donations, over 95% of that money went to the Clinton campaign ... This is the amount of dominance the liberals have obtained at the highest levels of government ...

It is like if you were to take over being CEO of a large cooperation and nearly every single employee hated you with a passion ... If that happened, how much cooperation do you believe you would get from your employees ? ... And Trump cannot fire most of those employees conspiring against him ... If he did the Democrats would cry bloody murder and attempt to have him impeached ... They are already conspiring to have him impeached and began the conspiracy to bring him down before he was ever elected, just in case he was elected ...

You cannot blame a general for losing a war, when he gets zero cooperation from his soldiers ...
 
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Donald trump was elected to the Presidency and entered the Federal Government at a time when it was infested with liberals more than any other time in history ... One man, even the President, cannot clean all of this up by himself ... He is receiving no cooperation from Democrats at all and often not receiving any cooperation from Republicans either ... Of the money donated during the 2016 election by the State Department, 99% of that money was donated to the Clinton campaign ... Of 14 major government agencies 2016 election donations, over 95% of that money went to the Clinton campaign ... This is the amount of dominance the liberals have obtained at the highest levels of government ...

It is like if you were to take over being CEO of a large cooperation and nearly every single employee hated you with a passion ... If that happened, how much cooperation do you believe you would get from your employees ? ... And Trump cannot fire most of those employees conspiring against him ... If he did the Democrats would cry bloody murder and attempt to have him impeached ... They are already conspiring to have him impeached and began the conspiracy to bring him down before he was ever elected, just in case he was elected ...

You cannot blame a general for losing a war, when he gets zero cooperation from his soldiers ...
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That is Trompbot baloney. The President can not be impeached for firing people in his administration.
 
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You cannot blame a general for losing a war, when he gets zero cooperation from his soldiers ...
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It's hard to soar like an eagle when you're working with turkeys. ;)
 
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DevotiontoBible said:
Trump has headed the FBI for 1 1/2 years and they still are hiding information about Obama and Hillary from us. Well I am not buying it. Trump is to blame. He is the swamp too.
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First off, your math is wrong.
Trump was inaugurated 1-20-17, which was just over fourteen
months ago, which is four months from a-year-and-a-half.
Secondly, he hasn't "headed the FBI", nor for that matter, the DOJ.
Trump may never "drain the swamp", but it ain't for lack of trying.
 
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First off, your math is wrong.
Trump was inaugurated 1-20-17, which was just over fourteen
months ago, which is four months from a-year-and-a-half.
Secondly, he hasn't "headed the FBI", nor for that matter, the DOJ.
Trump may never "drain the swamp", but it ain't for lack of trying.
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Still, it's been well over a year and he heads all of the administrative agencies. He can walk right into anybody's office and demand to see the files on Hillary or fire them on the spot.
 
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DevotiontoBible said:
Still, it's been well over a year and he heads all of the administrative agencies. He can walk right into anybody's office and demand to see the files on Hillary or fire them on the spot.
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The President is not above the law ( thank God ). At the very least he has to follow procedure. The President cannot walk into any office he wants and demand to see files.
As difficult as it may be to accept, even Hillary is afforded " due process ", as is any other person suspected of a crime.
 
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The President is not above the law ( thank God ). At the very least he has to follow procedure. The President cannot walk into any office he wants and demand to see files.
As difficult as it may be to accept, even Hillary is afforded " due process ", as is any other person suspected of a crime.
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There is no law Trump would be breaking. It is the same as if he walked into one of his employees at Trump tower and demanded to see the computer files of the employee or be fired.
 
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There is no law Trump would be breaking. It is the same as if he walked into one of his employees at Trump tower and demanded to see the computer files of the employee or be fired.
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OK, any person appointed by the president can be fired by the president, any other person would be afforded due process, including lowly clerks. There is also a little thing known as " need to know ". Even holding a top secret security clearance does not give you instant access to all data and this includes the president.
The president is not a monarch or a dictator and must follow procedure and law.
 
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DevotiontoBible

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hunterpoet said:
OK, any person appointed by the president can be fired by the president, any other person would be afforded due process, including lowly clerks. There is also a little thing known as " need to know ". Even holding a top secret security clearance does not give you instant access to all data and this includes the president.
The president is not a monarch or a dictator and must follow procedure and law.
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The administrative agencies were created to make the President a king and dictator and by -pass Congress. He can do whatever he wants since they answer to nobody but him.
 
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Pontiac

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That is Trompbot baloney. The President can not be impeached for firing people in his administration.
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The President can be impeached for anything if the deep state wants him out badly enough ...
 
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DevotiontoBible said:
Trump has headed the FBI for 1 1/2 years and they still are hiding information about Obama and Hillary from us. Well I am not buying it. Trump is to blame. He is the swamp too.
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Well I am no Trump fan . Still I have to say your off base here . I will give you a example from Arizona politics. Sheriff Joe Arpaio was elected to office . He had a large group that fought him all the way . I worked for the office at that time .When I worked for the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office . It took Sheriff Arpaio almost two terms to get rid of the resistance . He had folks fighting his every move. He did get the change needed it took time . Think about it Arpaio’s task was minuscule compared to what has to be done with the FBI . Give it some time . You may be right but eyxpecting something now is unrealistic.
Blessings
Bill
 
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Pontiac

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Still, it's been well over a year and he heads all of the administrative agencies. He can walk right into anybody's office and demand to see the files on Hillary or fire them on the spot.
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So, did you vote for Hillary ? ... The one who stands up all day long for abortion and gay marriage ? ... Sort of sounds like you did ...
 
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DevotiontoBible said:
The administrative agencies were created to make the President a king and dictator and by -pass Congress. He can do whatever he wants since they answer to nobody but him.
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Administrative agencies administer the laws enacted by Congress after the fact at the direction of the POTUS. Federal admin. agencies can't really bypass another branch. The chief administrator (POTUS) can by executive order only, and Congress can challenge it immediately, taking it to Justice, or dealing with it internally.

Most of these agencies were created by past POTUS's through Congress (or by Congress) in such a way that a chain of command and proceedures must be followed (https://www.scribd.com/document/264...e-Process-in-Federal-Civil-Service-Employment) in order to fire anyone not directly appointed by the POTUS himself. A Director of an agency can refuse to fire someone under his/her command and the Pres has little recourse beyond firing that director and getting someone else in there to do it.

As for the Pres getting into just any ol' files, no, he can't. As Hunterpoet stated, there is 'need to know' as well as classification. Presidents do not have blanket 'need to know'. Anyone with military insight knows this and the reasons for it.

Anyway, I may agree with you that some agencies were designed to give the POTUS undue and unconstitutional power, if you were to give back some real evidence of this.
 
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Musicus said:
Administrative agencies administer the laws enacted by Congress after the fact at the direction of the POTUS. Federal admin. agencies can't really bypass another branch. The chief administrator (POTUS) can by executive order only, and Congress can challenge it immediately, taking it to Justice, or dealing with it internally.

Most of these agencies were created by past POTUS's through Congress (or by Congress) in such a way that a chain of command and proceedures must be followed (https://www.scribd.com/document/264...e-Process-in-Federal-Civil-Service-Employment) in order to fire anyone not directly appointed by the POTUS himself. A Director of an agency can refuse to fire someone under his/her command and the Pres has little recourse beyond firing that director and getting someone else in there to do it.

As for the Pres getting into just any ol' files, no, he can't. As Hunterpoet stated, there is 'need to know' as well as classification. Presidents do not have blanket 'need to know'. Anyone with military insight knows this and the reasons for it.

Anyway, I may agree with you that some agencies were designed to give the POTUS undue and unconstitutional power, if you were to give back some real evidence of this.
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That says that Trump can fire any Federal employee he wants fired for neglect of duty which would include refusing Trumps orders to provide the files on Hillary per Congressional subpoenas.
 
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Musicus said:
Administrative agencies administer the laws enacted by Congress after the fact at the direction of the POTUS. Federal admin. agencies can't really bypass another branch. The chief administrator (POTUS) can by executive order only, and Congress can challenge it immediately, taking it to Justice, or dealing with it internally.

Most of these agencies were created by past POTUS's through Congress (or by Congress) in such a way that a chain of command and proceedures must be followed (https://www.scribd.com/document/264...e-Process-in-Federal-Civil-Service-Employment) in order to fire anyone not directly appointed by the POTUS himself. A Director of an agency can refuse to fire someone under his/her command and the Pres has little recourse beyond firing that director and getting someone else in there to do i
Anyway, I may agree with you that some agencies were designed to give the POTUS undue and unconstitutional power, if you were to give back some real evidence of this.
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That's baloney. Here was a real President :

https://www.politico.com/story/2008...ing-air-traffic-controllers-aug-5-1981-012292
 
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Trump just blatantly lies and his supporters aren't smart enough to figure it out. There will be no draining of the swamp, just firing of those who disagree with Trump.
 
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