3D Model Of Jesus From The Shroud

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Budman

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Quite fascinating!

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Dude653

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The Shroud of Turin was debunked a long time ago but that's still pretty cool I guess.
Some say it's an image of Leonardo DaVinci
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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Humans. We just can't get on with life for 5 minutes without making an idol can we? ;)
 

Odelschwanck

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There are some who question weather the debunking was accurate, if the cloth dated to the middle ages was from the portion that was said to have been burned in the middle ages then the cloth itself may or may not be older.

I'd like to believe it but on the other hand, would he have really looked so close to the stereotypical portrayal?
 

Lafftur

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Check out this prophetic dream I had about 6 years ago about the Shroud of Turin and Jesus' DNA on it! :)

The dream began with a homicide crime scene where two detectives were gathering DNA samples. Then, they went back to the crime lab and placed the DNA samples in a glass vial and inserted the vial into a computer compartment. They typed in the age and weight of the individual and then pressed enter. Almost immediately, a life-size 3-D hologram appeared of the person generated from the DNA samples. The hologram was not animated - it did not speak or move it just stood there. Then the two detectives walked all the way around it and said, "Well, now we know who we're looking for and we'll recognize him when we see him."


Immediately, the dream flashed to the shroud of Turin which is the linen cloth that Jesus' body was wrapped in when He was placed in the tomb. Blood samples of DNA were being taken from the cloth by scientist and placed in the same type of computer that the detectives had used. The scientist typed in 33 and 1/2 years old and 175 pounds, immediately there was a life-size hologram of Jesus.

Then, the dream flashed again and this computer program of the DNA generated hologram of Jesus went all over the World Wide Web Internet and everyone everywhere could download it and project the hologram in their homes and look Him right in the eyes.

The dream flashed again for the last time and it was a TV News station broadcasting the phenomenon of experiences people are having all over the world in all different countries of this Jesus hologram. The news broadcaster said, "Can this be the Son of God?" "He's not quite what one would expect, however, many believe and others are very skeptic. How can this be the Son of God? He's so ugly looking."

Then, I remembered how the Bible says that there was nothing about Jesus that we would desire Him, however, only by the Spirit would we know Him.

Then, I heard Jesus speak and say, "Right before I return, every eye will have seen Me."

That's it! Very exciting!
 

Lafftur

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I definitely believe the linen cloth is real and authentic! :)
 

tanakh

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Whether the image is of Jesus or not we still need some plausible explanation as to how someone could create a negative Photograph centuries before such a thing was thought to be possible
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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^ they found paint in the analysis at least a couple of decades ago.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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a major problem for the shroud devotees

it is clearly written in scripture that the cloth around the head of Jesus was laid separately from the other grave clothes

so...no

not Jesus as this is one piece


1 Now on the first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, while it was yet dark, unto the tomb, and seeth the stone taken away from the tomb.
2 She runneth therefore, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and we know not where they have laid him.
3 Peter therefore went forth, and the other disciple, and they went toward the tomb.
4 And they ran both together: and the other disciple outran Peter, and came first to the tomb;
5 and stooping and looking in, he seeth the linen cloths lying; yet entered he not in.
6 Simon Peter therefore also cometh, following him, and entered into the tomb; and he beholdeth the linen cloths lying,
7 and the napkin, that was upon his head, not lying with the linen cloths, but rolled up in a place by itself.

8 Then entered in therefore the other disciple also, who came first to the tomb, and he saw, and believed.
9 For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise from the dead.

John 20
10 So the disciples went away again unto their own home.
11 But Mary was standing without at the tomb weeping: so, as she wept, she stooped and looked into the tomb;
12 and she beholdeth two angels in white sitting, one at the head, and one at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.
13 And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him.
14 When she had thus said, she turned herself back, and beholdeth Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.
15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou hast borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turneth herself, and saith unto him in Hebrew, Rabboni; which is to say, Teacher.
17 Jesus saith to her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended unto the Father: but go unto my brethren, and say to them, I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.
18 Mary Magdalene cometh and telleth the disciples, I have seen the Lord; and that he had said these things unto her.
 
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Check out this prophetic dream I had about 6 years ago about the Shroud of Turin and Jesus' DNA on it! :)

The dream began with a homicide crime scene where two detectives were gathering DNA samples. Then, they went back to the crime lab and placed the DNA samples in a glass vial and inserted the vial into a computer compartment. They typed in the age and weight of the individual and then pressed enter. Almost immediately, a life-size 3-D hologram appeared of the person generated from the DNA samples. The hologram was not animated - it did not speak or move it just stood there. Then the two detectives walked all the way around it and said, "Well, now we know who we're looking for and we'll recognize him when we see him."


Immediately, the dream flashed to the shroud of Turin which is the linen cloth that Jesus' body was wrapped in when He was placed in the tomb. Blood samples of DNA were being taken from the cloth by scientist and placed in the same type of computer that the detectives had used. The scientist typed in 33 and 1/2 years old and 175 pounds, immediately there was a life-size hologram of Jesus.

Then, the dream flashed again and this computer program of the DNA generated hologram of Jesus went all over the World Wide Web Internet and everyone everywhere could download it and project the hologram in their homes and look Him right in the eyes.

The dream flashed again for the last time and it was a TV News station broadcasting the phenomenon of experiences people are having all over the world in all different countries of this Jesus hologram. The news broadcaster said, "Can this be the Son of God?" "He's not quite what one would expect, however, many believe and others are very skeptic. How can this be the Son of God? He's so ugly looking."

Then, I remembered how the Bible says that there was nothing about Jesus that we would desire Him, however, only by the Spirit would we know Him.

Then, I heard Jesus speak and say, "Right before I return, every eye will have seen Me."

That's it! Very exciting!
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what's really 'exciting' is knowing that once you are 'called-out' that there is NO question
whom Jesus is and where He is...
 

Lafftur

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Think about it, if it were real it would project a rotting body beneath it. Problem is: Jesus didn't rot or decay in any way. Therefore His body would not imprint the cloth.

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Hello Deade, :)

But, what happen to that cloth when Jesus re-entered His body? I would think it would be some kind of tremendous light - like a flash that takes a picture. His image was "imprinted on that cloth like a negative print" would be my guess.
 
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if you read all of the 'accounts' of His witnesses, you will understand...
 

zeroturbulence

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There are some who question weather the debunking was accurate, if the cloth dated to the middle ages was from the portion that was said to have been burned in the middle ages then the cloth itself may or may not be older.

I'd like to believe it but on the other hand, would he have really looked so close to the stereotypical portrayal?
Yes...the same scientists who debunked the shroud admitted years later that the piece of cloth they examined was not part of the original shroud... That it was in fact a patched on piece that was attached to repair damage from a church fire.
 

tanakh

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^ they found paint in the analysis at least a couple of decades ago.
The shroud has had paint added to it at some time in its history but the image seen was only discovered in the 1890s when the shroud was Photographed and a perfect negative was produced of the figure. Normally seen the cloth shows only faint markings. This is the mystery surrounding it. Attempts have been made to duplicate the image but so far nothing approaching the details shown on the image have been achieved. There are also traces of blood on the cloth and anatomical features that would be there on the body of a crucified man. There is a theory that someone like Da Vinci had used a corpse as a subject but this still doesnt explain how he created a photographic negative.
 

posthuman

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Whether the image is of Jesus or not we still need some plausible explanation as to how someone could create a negative Photograph centuries before such a thing was thought to be possible
easy.

using a pinhole in an opaque sheet you can create a projection onto a canvas and trace it. this technique was known at least as early as the Renaissance - and although possibly considered 'cheating' - it could be used to create images with extraordinary accuracy. do this, and instead of painting the appropriate gradation of shadow/light, you simply paint the opposite. that is, you paint the negative space instead of the positive.


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if you were a talented artist you wouldn't need to go through the whole projection thing; you could just sketch a very accurate depiction -- just mentioning it for the sake of education :)
 
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longtrekker

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easy.

using a pinhole in an opaque sheet you can create a projection onto a canvas and trace it. this technique was known at least as early as the Renaissance - and although possibly considered 'cheating' - it could be used to create images with extraordinary accuracy. do this, and instead of painting the appropriate gradation of shadow/light, you simply paint the opposite. that is, you paint the negative space instead of the positive.


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if you were a talented artist you wouldn't need to go through the whole projection thing; you could just sketch a very accurate depiction -- just mentioning it for the sake of education :)

I think Vermeer tried something like this...
 

posthuman

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Think about it, if it were real it would project a rotting body beneath it. Problem is: Jesus didn't rot or decay in any way. Therefore His body would not imprint the cloth.


. . . if i assume that the image was created by a corpse rotting underneath it; that that's just how it was made and had to be how it was made. in which case, putting a cloth on any corpse would do the same thing, and there would be hundreds of millions of these things in tombs everywhere. people would be selling offers to have your dearly departed's death mask made by their corpse for $19.99 + s/h fee. that's not the case.

good point about His body 'not corrupted' though :)