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    Quote Originally Posted by tanakh View Post
    I agree wih you in saying that the EU is a sinking Ship. I don't agree that our Government is attempting to drag us down with it. Whatever its faults the Government is the only hope that myself among the 17.5 million who voted for Brexit have to get out from it. The Lib Dems are welded to the EU and Labour cant be trusted on any subject
    Sorry to sound negative! I'm praying they DON'T betray the vote. I voted to leave as well but I'm having difficulties trusting Treasoner May. She was from the remain camp to begin with and I can't say I think she has changed. Having said that I wouldn't trust Labour or Lib Dems to do anything other than wreck the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucy-Pevensie View Post
    Sorry to sound negative! I'm praying they DON'T betray the vote. I voted to leave as well but I'm having difficulties trusting Treasoner May. She was from the remain camp to begin with and I can't say I think she has changed. Having said that I wouldn't trust Labour or Lib Dems to do anything other than wreck the country.
    As Mark Twain says

    Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason.”

    But as Paul says

    Romans 13:1-2
    Chapter 13
    Submit to Government
    1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.

    So some how we need to reconcile what Paul said in the context of his day to our day.
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    So some how we need to reconcile what Paul said in the context of his day to our day.
    There is nothing to reconcile.
    All governments and authorities from the Nazis and Communists,
    and through to the European Union, modern Israel, Turkey, Iran, the
    rise of China and a resurgent Russia are permitted by God and all
    play their part in the good and evil of the world.

    Christians must obey the laws of the land and suffer the
    good and bad of sinful men and women who rule in authority.
    When a regime becomes overly evil then perhaps it is time
    to leave a country and become refugees.


    Politics will make no difference to the final outcome.
    Christians should not waste their time with political action
    at election times hoping they can make a difference.
    Armageddon is a coming regardless of what any leader
    or nation or coalition may or may not do.

    The writing is on the wall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agricola

    Israel has recently obtained documents to show IRan is still involved in making nuclear weapons. Israel says Iran hid nuclear arms programme - BBC News



    The IAEA repied and said that Netanyahu's disclosure was fake: https://www.rferl.org/a/iaea-saw-no-.../29201840.html

    https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news...lls-iaea-board

    Naturally, the USA media made little of its refutation of this fake news.

    Netanyahu is seeking to draw the USA into a proxy war with Iran just like the one he manipulated against Iraq:





    The reporter on this video is conservative Jake R. Morphonios.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desdichado View Post
    I fail to see how pulling out of the Iran Deal automatically means a war.
    Exactly. Senator Tom Cotton and President Trump have both issued a stern warning to Iran that any attack on Israel will lead to very serious consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peacenik View Post
    The IAEA repied and said that Netanyahu's disclosure was fake...
    Not at all. Of course no one would see any *credible* evidence that Iran had a nuclear program. Stuxnet took care of that. Which does not mean they have given up.

    "On 23 November 2010 it was announced that uranium enrichment at Natanz had ceased several times because of a series of major technical problems." Stuxnet was behind this.

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    I must admit I didn’t know much about this deal before,
    having read up about it.

    It seems more like a ransom and less like a deal. Sort of
    “be nice to us or we will nuke everyone”. I think Trump got it
    right on this one.

    There has to be a better way to deal with threatening unstable
    regimes. Where is James Bond when you need him. Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by peacenik View Post
    The IAEA repied and said that Netanyahu's disclosure was fake:
    Naturally, the USA media made little of its refutation of this fake news.
    The report did not say that Netanyahu's disclosure was fake.
    An Empty Report that does not tell the whole story.

    The IAEA’s Latest Report Falls Short
    The IAEA’s Latest Report Falls Short | Foundation for Defense of Democracies
    -

    Resolution 2231—Muzzling the Iran Nuclear Watchdog

    The iaea operates within the confines of the United Nations, meaning it must follow resolutions
    governing the implementation of the nuclear agreement. Under Resolution 2231, the iaea is not
    allowed to publish critical data about Iran’s nuclear program. The P5+1 nations agreed to silence
    the iaea as a part of the nuclear deal with Iran.

    International Atomic Energy Agency Chief Yukiya Amano made no attempt to sidestep the truth.

    “[T]he basis of reporting is different,” Amano said. “In the previous reports, the bases were the
    previous UN Security Council Resolutions and Board of Governors. But now they are terminated.
    They are gone.” When the nuclear deal was signed, most UN mandates and resolutions concerning
    Iran were scrapped. They were replaced with resolutions made in the nuclear deal—resolutions
    that require the iaea to not report critical information on Iran to the public. Thus Amano said,
    “[A]s the basis is different, the consequences are different.”

    The consequence is that the public is denied key information needed to judge Iranian compliance
    to the nuclear deal. Resolution 2231 forces journalists, the public and anyone interested in Iran’s
    nuclear program to simply trust the UN when it says Iran is living up to its end of the deal.

    Here are a few notable omissions:
    Low-Enriched Uranium “provides a vague inventory and no production details.”
    Reprocessed uranium access and current stock
    Manufacturing components inventory


    From the get-go, United States President Barack Obama said that the nuclear deal would be
    founded on transparency and verification. But Amano has now announced that his latest report
    —and all reports from here on out—will be intentionally vague. Again, his organization is denied
    the right to publish its findings to the public because of Resolution 2231.
    IAEA: Iran Nuke Deal Limits Public Reporting on Violations
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    Quote Originally Posted by peacenik View Post
    Netanyahu is seeking to draw the USA into a proxy war with Iran
    just like the one he manipulated against Iraq:
    Iran is still a major force of provocation and destabilization in the world.
    While Israel has given land for peace, only to be more of a sitting duck .

    Iran is still a theocracy, governed by a radical cleric who, like 85 percent of Iranians,
    believes in Twelver Shiism, an ideology that embraces death. Iran remains the world’s
    number one state sponsor of terrorism, and it continues toward becoming a nuclear power.

    Daniel 11:40 says this:
    And at the time of the end shall the king [Iran] of the south push at him:
    and the king [Germany] of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind,
    with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships;
    and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.


    An Islamic group of nations to be led by Iran as the prophesied king of the south
    which will push at the king of the north, the European Union.

    Iran has a foreign policy with a lot of “push” , Iran’s main strategic aim is to be
    the dominant power in the Middle East, and has become the undisputed leader
    of the radical Islamic camp.

    Iran has a long history of being recognized by successive United States governments,
    as well as European nations, as being the world’s foremost state sponsor of terrorism.

    Iran actively seeks to destabilize nations where there is a significant Shiite population.
    In fact, every nation that has a substantial Shiite presence is currently embroiled in conflict.


    In Lebanon, Iran has a direct hold on the largest and best-equipped terrorist organization in
    the world: Hezbollah. Hezbollah readily admits both its patronage and decision-making comes
    from Tehran. It has grown so large and powerful that it dominates even the Lebanese govern-
    ment. As of 2017, the organization has more than 150,000 rockets and missiles at its disposal
    to be used in the next war against Israel.

    In Syria, the government of strongman Bashar Assad is directly supported by Iranian troops
    of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Quds Force and other Iran-backed proxies. Iran
    spent $100 billion between 2012 and 2017 to keep Assad in power. If not for Iran’s powerful
    support, Assad likely would have fallen from power years ago, before an estimated half
    million people were killed.

    In Iraq, Iran is using the power vacuum created by the withdrawal of United States forces,
    as well as the fight against the Islamic State, to increase its own presence. In late 2016,
    Iran cemented its control over Iraq, when the Baghdad parliament voted in favor accepting
    the Popular Mobilization Units (pmu) into its national security force. The 100,000 soldiers
    of the pmu pay only lip service to the Baghdad government; most of their decision-making
    comes from Iran.

    In Yemen, the Houthis, a Shiite sect in the northwest of the country, continue to wage war
    against the government. After the Houthis captured Yemen’s capital in late 2014, Iran was
    the one that claimed the victory. At the time, Mohammed Sadeq al-Hosseini, adviser to
    former Iranian President Mohammed Khatami, stated, “We in the axis of resistance are
    the new sultans of the Mediterranean and the Gulf. We in Tehran, Damascus, [Hezbollah’s]
    southern suburb of Beirut, Baghdad and Sanaa will shape the map of the region.We are the
    new sultans of the Red Sea as well.”


    Added to these nations, Iran is actively seeking to destabilize Bahrain and eastern Saudi Arabia,
    where again, large Shiite populations exist. It also seeks to bridge the Sunni-Shiite divide by
    funding the Palestinian group Hamas, which is committed to the destruction of Israel.

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    Default Re: Trump Says "NO DEAL" over Iran Nuclear program

    Iran continues to develop technological capabilities that also could be applicable to nuclear weapons,
    including "ballistic missile development.”

    According to security experts, the long-range missile technology that Iran is building only makes sense
    economically, politically and militarily if Iran harbors ambition to become a nuclear weapons power.
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    Default Re: Trump Says "NO DEAL" over Iran Nuclear program

    Iranian forces reportedly fire missiles over Israel

    Israel targets Iranian forces in Syria after rocket attack on Golan Heights | Fox News

    Iranian forces based in Syria fired approximately 20 rockets toward Israeli positions in the Golan
    Heights, triggering a retaliatory bombardment that rocked Syria's capital late into the night Wednesday.
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    Default Re: Trump Says "NO DEAL" over Iran Nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by peacenik View Post

    Netanyahu is seeking to draw the USA into a proxy war with Iran just like the one he manipulated against Iraq:

    I'll respond to this lie with a prayer: "May God Almighty thwart the plans of the enemy against Mr Netanyahu, his family, colleagues and all of Israel. May the purposes of The Holy One of Israel be accomplished on this earth in Jesus name."
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    Quote Originally Posted by prove-all View Post
    The report did not say that Netanyahu's disclosure was fake.
    An Empty Report that does not tell the whole story.

    The IAEA’s Latest Report Falls Short
    The IAEA’s Latest Report Falls Short | Foundation for Defense of Democracies
    -

    Resolution 2231—Muzzling the Iran Nuclear Watchdog

    The iaea operates within the confines of the United Nations, meaning it must follow resolutions
    governing the implementation of the nuclear agreement. Under Resolution 2231, the iaea is not
    allowed to publish critical data about Iran’s nuclear program. The P5+1 nations agreed to silence
    the iaea as a part of the nuclear deal with Iran.

    International Atomic Energy Agency Chief Yukiya Amano made no attempt to sidestep the truth.

    “[T]he basis of reporting is different,” Amano said. “In the previous reports, the bases were the
    previous UN Security Council Resolutions and Board of Governors. But now they are terminated.
    They are gone.” When the nuclear deal was signed, most UN mandates and resolutions concerning
    Iran were scrapped. They were replaced with resolutions made in the nuclear deal—resolutions
    that require the iaea to not report critical information on Iran to the public. Thus Amano said,
    “[A]s the basis is different, the consequences are different.”

    The consequence is that the public is denied key information needed to judge Iranian compliance
    to the nuclear deal. Resolution 2231 forces journalists, the public and anyone interested in Iran’s
    nuclear program to simply trust the UN when it says Iran is living up to its end of the deal.

    Here are a few notable omissions:
    Low-Enriched Uranium “provides a vague inventory and no production details.”
    Reprocessed uranium access and current stock
    Manufacturing components inventory


    From the get-go, United States President Barack Obama said that the nuclear deal would be
    founded on transparency and verification. But Amano has now announced that his latest report
    —and all reports from here on out—will be intentionally vague. Again, his organization is denied
    the right to publish its findings to the public because of Resolution 2231.
    IAEA: Iran Nuke Deal Limits Public Reporting on Violations




    Please check your sources - they are not relevant as they are dated 4th March 2016 & March 7, 2016 1:00 pm.


    Because of that,neither is relevant to the discussion as they do not address current or recent investigations by the IAEA into Iran which has complied with that international agency's guidelines.
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    Default Re: Trump Says "NO DEAL" over Iran Nuclear program

    To recap: in the past 48 hours, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Bahrain have all welcomed the United States' decision to withdraw from the Iran nuclear deal, and Bahrain has expressly supported Israel's right to self-defence against Iran.

    Interesting times.
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    Default Re: Trump Says "NO DEAL" over Iran Nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucy-Pevensie View Post
    To recap: in the past 48 hours, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Bahrain have all welcomed the United States' decision to withdraw from the Iran nuclear deal, and Bahrain has expressly supported Israel's right to self-defence against Iran.

    Interesting times.



    Indeed. Very interesting that these Sunni nations want to end the deal while the USA's European allies want to preserve it:


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8330491.html


    France, the UK, Germany, and, of course, Russia are all in agreement.
    Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peacenik View Post
    Please check your sources - they are not relevant
    as they are dated 4th March 2016 & March 7, 2016 1:00 pm.
    International Atomic Energy Agency Chief Yukiya Amano announced that
    his latest report—and all reports from here on out—will be intentionally vague.
    -



    Ben Rhodes admitted that he manufactured the narrative about the Iran deal.
    “The way in which most Americans have heard the story of the Iran deal
    presented … was largely manufactured for the purpose for selling the deal."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nehemiah6 View Post
    Exactly. Senator Tom Cotton and President Trump have both issued a stern warning to Iran that any attack on Israel will lead to very serious consequences.
    I doubt those in Iran are quaking in their boots. Their initial reaction was to fire missiles at Israel so 'serious consequences' do not appear to worry them. Diplomacy conducted by sane people is required for both sides.

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    I think they expect us to try and strangle them economically. Bring their civilian population to a boil.

    They're probably right.

    Quote Originally Posted by tanakh View Post
    I doubt those in Iran are quaking in their boots. Their initial reaction was to fire missiles at Israel so 'serious consequences' do not appear to worry them. Diplomacy conducted by sane people is required for both sides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tanakh View Post
    Just heard the news that the UK and rest of Europe intend to continue with the deal so the Armageddon Street Party I planned for the 9th of Av will be postponed until further notice. Sorry to carry such disappointing news but I am sure Trump will find another way of starting WW3 very soon.
    Can I get in on this deal? You send me lots and lots of money to do something you don't want me to do, and then I take the money and live however I want. Truly sweet deal! I'll be happy if Europe keeps the deal going, even if America doesn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miri View Post
    I must admit I didn’t know much about this deal before,
    having read up about it.

    It seems more like a ransom and less like a deal. Sort of
    “be nice to us or we will nuke everyone”. I think Trump got it
    right on this one.

    There has to be a better way to deal with threatening unstable
    regimes. Where is James Bond when you need him. Lol
    Not as funny as you think. Decades ago, Nixon made it law that the the US can no longer assassinate leaders. Can James Bond? (I mean the real James Bond. MI6?)

    I suspect that sounds harsh but I grew up on what was happening in Viet Nam. (Way back, when it was spelled like that.) I remember the killing fields after the Democrats reneged on Nixon's Peace Treaty that actually was winning/won that war. I can think of a few crazy despots in the word that could use a good assassination to free those people. (And, frankly, Trump is having a peace treaty meeting with one of those crazies in the far east.) I still think Nixon was wrong with that law, so I'm wondering if you nation still has that power.

    We could use James Bond.
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    And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. Rom. 8:28

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