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    Default 58 Palestinians Shot Dead By Israeli Troops.

    58 Palestinians Shot Dead By Israeli Troops, many more injured.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...bassy-protests

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    Parroting mainstream British media? Must we have the terrorist-loving anti-Israel bias represented on a Christian website?
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    Default Re: 58 Palestinians Shot Dead By Israeli Troops.

    I'm no expert on this event, and I don't believe Israel is incapable of wrongdoing, but in any event there is usually more than one point of view to consider.

    We should all be aware that Israel is always crucified in the world media, no matter what they do.
    We should also be aware that the Israeli government, like all governments, is prone to justify whatever they do.

    So what's going on?
    I don't know.
    But it's usually prudent to consider different points of view.
    Here's another point of view.

    https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Rules-of-engagement-view-from-the-Gaza-front-556435






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    Default Re: 58 Palestinians Shot Dead By Israeli Troops.

    Quote Originally Posted by jb View Post
    58 Palestinians Shot Dead By Israeli Troops, many more injured.
    1. Please note that the media has a built-in anti-Israel bias, as does the EU, the UN, and the whole Muslim world.

    2. Hamas has been deliberately provoking Israel by getting people to try and breach the fence and the border in order to create chaos in Israel. This has been going on over the recent past.

    3. Every country in the world has a right to protect its borders and to deal severely with insurgents -- this is war (jihad).

    4. Israel has warned Hamas that it will begin assassinating their leaders if this nonsense does not stop.

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    Yes, nothing 'new', it's ALL already been done in our Bibles...
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    Default Re: 58 Palestinians Shot Dead By Israeli Troops.

    Quote Originally Posted by jb View Post
    58 Palestinians Shot Dead By Israeli Troops, many more injured.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...bassy-protests

    Couldn't see any posts about this.
    The source of your link appears to be an ultra-liberal anti-Israel publication. I'm not really amused by fake news anymore.
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    They ought to change governors. Pilate is letting things get out of hand.
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    Default Re: 58 Palestinians Shot Dead By Israeli Troops.

    The Guardian has its political bias, but knowing that we should be able to read it with a filter. There is news as fact, then there is slanted news, and then there is opinion. Sure it sensationalizes and slants news, using loaded words, but knowing that we should be able to interpret the news it gives.

    I read The Guardian as well as the Jerusalem Post, Drudgereport for up-to-date headlines, the Daily Caller and Breibart. The Guardian does give news - as well as slanted biased opinion.

    All news media are biased to some degree. Unless we are able to separate fact from opinion, then no news is safe to for us read, whether conservative or liberal.

    That Israeli seurity forces killed more than 60 Palestinians and wounded over 2,000 is fact. Even if it was published in The Guardian. The issue should not be disputing fact, but discussing the "why?"

    An 8-month-old Palestinian child died of tear gas inhalation. That is a fact. That the tear gas came from Israeli troops is a fact.

    The moral question to ask is what was an 8-month-old child doing in the tear gas zone? What kind of parent goes to such a demonstration/riot with an 8-month-old child?

    So who is to blame for the death of that child, Israeli security forces firing tear gas through the smoke of burning tires at a violent crowd, or an irresponsible Palestinian parent?

    The violent demonstrators were demonstrating that their grandparents left Israeli territory 70 years ago and lost their land. That is fact.

    The question to ask is, since most, if not all, of those demonstators were not born then, how vital is that piece of land their grandparents/parents lost? As one young demonstrator said, "My family lost our land in Ashkalon. We want it back." That was the young lad's grandparents land. he has never seen it.

    That was traumatic for the grandparents, but shouldn't the second generation have moved on? Millions of people lose their homes and land, even ancestral land every year, through no fault of their own.

    People in Hawaii had their homes and land buried under 20 feet of lava this last week. They can't demonstrate to get it back. It is traumatic, but they must come to accept it happened, grieve, and then move on.

    Millions of ordinary normal people who want nothing more than to provide for their families and live their lives peacefully have been brutally uprooted and lost their homes and land this last year. From Syria, through Yemen, Iraq, Myanmar, Indonesia, Congo, South Africa, Venezuela, etc.

    The young people in Gaza and the West Bank can get jobs in the Middle East. There are guest workers in Saudi Arabia, Dubai and Qatar. Can't they go there where they can find work and in basically the same culture they come from?
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    Default Re: 58 Palestinians Shot Dead By Israeli Troops.

    Quote Originally Posted by John_agape View Post
    That Israeli security forces killed more than 60 Palestinians and wounded over 2,000 is fact.
    And what the Left-Liberal media will never tell you is that those were actually members of TERRORIST ORGANIZATION HAMAS.

    Hamas Leader: 50 of 62 Gazans Killed During Border Riots Were Our Members

    http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2018/05/16/hamas-leader-50-of-62-gazans-killed-during-border-riots-were-our-members/

    So if terrorists try to breach your borders, what should be your response?

    As to the 8 month old child, that was probably a put up job by Hamas to garner worldwide sympathy and fool the Liberal Westerners. Hamas pays the parents of young children to have them slaughtered in the name of Jihad. It is time to wake up people and understand that Jihad has no bounds, and the next target will be the USA or Canada. Iran once again declared "Death to America", and Turkey has called for worldwide Jihad against the infidels because of Jerusalem.
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    Default Re: 58 Palestinians Shot Dead By Israeli Troops.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nehemiah6 View Post
    And what the Left-Liberal media will never tell you is that those were actually members of TERRORIST ORGANIZATION HAMAS.

    Hamas Leader: 50 of 62 Gazans Killed During Border Riots Were Our Members

    Hamas Leader: 50 of 62 Gazans Killed During Border Riots Were Our Members

    So if terrorists try to breach your borders, what should be your response?

    As to the 8 month old child, that was probably a put up job by Hamas to garner worldwide sympathy and fool the Liberal Westerners. Hamas pays the parents of young children to have them slaughtered in the name of Jihad. It is time to wake up people and understand that Jihad has no bounds, and the next target will be the USA or Canada. Iran once again declared "Death to America", and Turkey has called for worldwide Jihad against the infidels because of Jerusalem.
    In that Breitbart article there is a quote: “In the last rounds of confrontations, if 62 people were martyred, 50 of them were Hamas,” said Hamas official Salah Bardawil.

    The "IF" in the quote shows that the Hamas official does not know how many Hamas members were killed. He is just throwing out a number. Hamas wants "martyrs" and Hamas want many people killed. Where were the older hardcore Hamas members during the violence? Probably out of harm's way. Just because it is reported in Breitbart does not make it a fact. Fact is that Breitbart in this instance published Hamas terrorist propaganda.

    It could be 50, or it could be 10. Whatever the number, nearly all the other violent demonstrators were young Palestinians who had been wound up by older Hamas members the real hardcore terrorists, to be cannon fodder. The older Hamas members knew there were going to be deaths, so they used tried and true rabble-rousing tactics to get as many expendable young people to be killed for Hamas propaganda.

    These violent Palestinians wanted to break through the border fence and attack Israeli citizens in Israel. Ther was little else that the Israeli security forces could do. I did not criticize the Israeli forces for killing those violent Palestinians. those violent Palestinians were hellbent on causing mayhem in Israel.

    As for the 8-month-old child. I prefer to believe the most plausible scenario. Your scenario is not plausible: "probably a put up job by Hamas to garner worldwide sympathy and fool the Liberal Westerners. Hamas pays the parents of young children to have them slaughtered in the name of Jihad." Paying a family for some family member to become a suicide bomber is a known practice used by Hamas. Sometimes they try something more cost-effective, like strapping a bomb belt on a mentally retarded 8-year-old and telling the child to go and talk to some Israeli soldiers and then blow up the child with remote control. In that case, they wouldn't need to pay the family.

    But an 8-month-old baby? No way.

    To me the most plausible explanation for the 8-month-old is that the child's mother took the baby to the violent demonstration and was in a place she should not be with her child. The Israeli forces did not target the child. They were unaware of the child's presence. Tear gas canisters were shot through the smoke of burning tires at a chaotic mob. If the mother wanted to see the action, she should have kept a distance, away from the smoke.

    Martyring an 8-month-old by tear gas is a bit weird even for Hamas.
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    Default Re: 58 Palestinians Shot Dead By Israeli Troops.

    Quote Originally Posted by John_agape View Post
    In that Breitbart article there is a quote: “In the last rounds of confrontations, if 62 people were martyred, 50 of them were Hamas,” said Hamas official Salah Bardawil.

    The "IF" in the quote shows that the Hamas official does not know how many Hamas members were killed. He is just throwing out a number. Hamas wants "martyrs" and Hamas want many people killed. Where were the older hardcore Hamas members during the violence? Probably out of harm's way. Just because it is reported in Breitbart does not make it a fact. Fact is that Breitbart in this instance published Hamas terrorist propaganda.

    It could be 50, or it could be 10. Whatever the number, nearly all the other violent demonstrators were young Palestinians who had been wound up by older Hamas members the real hardcore terrorists, to be cannon fodder. The older Hamas members knew there were going to be deaths, so they used tried and true rabble-rousing tactics to get as many expendable young people to be killed for Hamas propaganda.

    These violent Palestinians wanted to break through the border fence and attack Israeli citizens in Israel. Ther was little else that the Israeli security forces could do. I did not criticize the Israeli forces for killing those violent Palestinians. those violent Palestinians were hellbent on causing mayhem in Israel.

    As for the 8-month-old child. I prefer to believe the most plausible scenario. Your scenario is not plausible: "probably a put up job by Hamas to garner worldwide sympathy and fool the Liberal Westerners. Hamas pays the parents of young children to have them slaughtered in the name of Jihad." Paying a family for some family member to become a suicide bomber is a known practice used by Hamas. Sometimes they try something more cost-effective, like strapping a bomb belt on a mentally retarded 8-year-old and telling the child to go and talk to some Israeli soldiers and then blow up the child with remote control. In that case, they wouldn't need to pay the family.

    But an 8-month-old baby? No way.

    To me the most plausible explanation for the 8-month-old is that the child's mother took the baby to the violent demonstration and was in a place she should not be with her child. The Israeli forces did not target the child. They were unaware of the child's presence. Tear gas canisters were shot through the smoke of burning tires at a chaotic mob. If the mother wanted to see the action, she should have kept a distance, away from the smoke.

    Martyring an 8-month-old by tear gas is a bit weird even for Hamas.
    tottally non factual opinionated piece of warmongering i seen in a long while, there plenty of evidence of people no where near the fence being shot, and medic going to help shot also. Theres palestinian christians in the march to, even before you look at any evidence your mind is made up. is it ok for Palestinians to shoot people on their side of the fence. somehow instead of blessing our enemies you changed it to shoot em, Jesus the same yesterday today and tomorrow turns into a war lord somehow, i really dont get it. how you support Jesus hating people above christian brothers and sisters. do you think if anyone receives a future messiah without accepting the work of christ, is going to be saved. Only 1 way, only 1 bride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakinah View Post
    tottally non factual opinionated piece of warmongering i seen in a long while, there plenty of evidence of people no where near the fence being shot, and medic going to help shot also. Theres palestinian christians in the march to, even before you look at any evidence your mind is made up. is it ok for Palestinians to shoot people on their side of the fence. somehow instead of blessing our enemies you changed it to shoot em, Jesus the same yesterday today and tomorrow turns into a war lord somehow, i really dont get it. how you support Jesus hating people above christian brothers and sisters. do you think if anyone receives a future messiah without accepting the work of christ, is going to be saved. Only 1 way, only 1 bride.
    I am fascinated by how some people read into what I wrote, things that I never wrote. And assume I have taken sides in this issue. There are lear problems on both sides. What I initially reacted to was comments that news reported in The Guardian cannot be factual because The Guardian is a left leaning liberal newspaper. Breitbart repeated Hamas terrorist propaganda, but The Guardian did not. What a confusing world we live in.

    This is the first time I heard about Christian Palestinians marching. Why were the Christians mixing in with the Muslim Hamas? There are less Christians in Gaza than there were people wounded in one day (Tuesday).

    "People no where near the fence being shot," sure that could happen, it was chaotic, Hamas were burning tires to create a smoke screen. It was not an open-air Nobel Peace Prize committee meeting going on there. And, "medic going to help shot also," now that is a problem in the chaos. How clearly was the medic marked as a medic?

    I am confused. I have tried to find reports on the Palestinian Christians demonstrating with Hamas, but with no success.

    Christians in Gaza are a persecuted minority. About 10 years ago there were about 3,000, now there are less than 1,000 Christians in Gaza. They need our prayers, as do Christians in Syria, Iraq and Iran.

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    Default Re: 58 Palestinians Shot Dead By Israeli Troops.

    Quote Originally Posted by John_agape View Post
    I am fascinated by how some people read into what I wrote, things that I never wrote. And assume I have taken sides in this issue. There are lear problems on both sides. What I initially reacted to was comments that news reported in The Guardian cannot be factual because The Guardian is a left leaning liberal newspaper. Breitbart repeated Hamas terrorist propaganda, but The Guardian did not. What a confusing world we live in.

    This is the first time I heard about Christian Palestinians marching. Why were the Christians mixing in with the Muslim Hamas? There are less Christians in Gaza than there were people wounded in one day (Tuesday).

    "People no where near the fence being shot," sure that could happen, it was chaotic, Hamas were burning tires to create a smoke screen. It was not an open-air Nobel Peace Prize committee meeting going on there. And, "medic going to help shot also," now that is a problem in the chaos. How clearly was the medic marked as a medic?

    I am confused. I have tried to find reports on the Palestinian Christians demonstrating with Hamas, but with no success.

    Christians in Gaza are a persecuted minority. About 10 years ago there were about 3,000, now there are less than 1,000 Christians in Gaza. They need our prayers, as do Christians in Syria, Iraq and Iran.
    Prayers for peace and reconciliation are needed for all people in the conflict

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakinah View Post
    tottally non factual opinionated piece of warmongering i seen in a long while, there plenty of evidence of people no where near the fence being shot, and medic going to help shot also. Theres palestinian christians in the march to, even before you look at any evidence your mind is made up. is it ok for Palestinians to shoot people on their side of the fence. somehow instead of blessing our enemies you changed it to shoot em, Jesus the same yesterday today and tomorrow turns into a war lord somehow, i really dont get it. how you support Jesus hating people above christian brothers and sisters. do you think if anyone receives a future messiah without accepting the work of christ, is going to be saved. Only 1 way, only 1 bride.
    Did you read the post? Hardly warmongering and its based on facts you can find in all media outlets.
    I am struggling to find anything about Christians trying to breach the border or just turning up to support the attempt.

    As for distances from fence does it matter? Stray bullets can travel some distances for example. Reminds me of all the Lefties bleating on how evil the British government was during the Falklands War to order the General Belgrano to sunk even though it was out of the exculsion zone. So what.

    You do realise that the object of the exercise was to breech the fence and go and kill Jews? Not that difficult as its only half a mile from the fence to the nearest Israeli homes.

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    Default Re: 58 Palestinians Shot Dead By Israeli Troops.

    All this death just so Trump could win over the evangelistic right wing. Just a political move by Trump. sad who cares where the US embassy is.

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    Yes. Hamas, their political acolytes, and the people dumb enough to show up to a riot involving Israeli soldiers bore noooooo responsibility whatsoever.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dem View Post
    All this death just so Trump could win over the evangelistic right wing. Just a political move by Trump. sad who cares where the US embassy is.
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