Manny Pacquiao now born again Christian

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DABEARS8519

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I'm happy for him, but he's not the p4p greatest boxer. Mayweather would still beat him. Pac man pretty much lost to Marquez, but the judges gave it to him based off of reputation, and the overall driving force that he has, money. I wouldn't be surprised if he is actually using Christianity as a excuse and a springboard to sell more "cologne" or whatever else he tries to promote out there, not to mention to get elected again, since he is a politician in the Phillipines as well.

I don't trust him, plain and simple, but if it's true, we'll see it when he gets rid of his money-worshiping entourage.
 
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DABEARS8519

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Then again, I don't trust ANY politicians whatsoever, so Pacman might be saved or he might be saying it to get more publicity in the Phillipines. Who knows.

To me, it's the same thing as what Tebow did, but at least Tebow does things like give money away, help the sick, etc. Pacman just fights, sells a million different things with his name on them, and joins his country's congress. Tebow has far less to gain by doing what he does, while Pacman has elections, and business promotions to gain by doing his "I'm SAVED!" act. I guess only God knows the truth, but to proclaim it on here like it's such a great thing is somewhat naive if you ask me, especially considering who we are really talking about here.
 
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DABEARS8519

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Manny Paquiao involved in tax evasion.

Manny Pacquiao -- Philippine tax officials file case against champ - ESPN

He is an elected official in the Phillipines. That country is full of poverty, and it is a country that owes it's very survival to people paying their taxes. Manny's taxes would have helped the people, but instead, he chose to try to get away with giving ANY of his money away, even as an elected official.

Is this the man you glorified as a "born-again" Christian? Seriously, is this the man that the creater of CC.com, who worships Manny just like everyone else in the Phillipines, just said was such a great and wonderful person? How many devout Christians do you know are being charged for tax evasion? Looks like his little "lie" about being Christian finally caught up with him. God doesn't let sinners get away forever. God doesn't let people lie in His name.

Let this be a lesson for everyone. Stop worshipping celebrities, and start worshipping God instead. If they are in the news, most likely, they are not there for a good reason. I bet you all feel so wonderful for saying how "great" this man was, right?
 

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Okay DABEARS8519, you've said a good bit here, and much of it quite negative, about my whole post about Manny Pacquiao being a born again Christian, about him in general, and even about me, so let me respond here.

Is Manny Pacquiao the world's greatest pound for pound boxer? Well I guess it depends on who you ask.

Would Mayweather beat him? Maybe. Maybe not. You can't really say. There are unique dynamics to every fight. Mayweather easily beat the one that Pacquiao barely beat in his last match (Marquez). But Pacquiao easily beat others that Mayweather didn't as easily beat (e.g., Ricky Hatton for sure, maybe also Shane Mosley).

I would actually expect Mayweather to win -- he actually should win -- based on physical advantages (arm length, height, and perhaps weight). That's the amazing thing about Manny Pacquio, is that he takes on much bigger guys, and actually wins. I haven't seen Mayweather do that (pardon my ignorance if he did that earlier in his career -- I certainly don't see it now; I've actually seen the opposite: taking on smaller guys, and then boasting that he's the greatest).

You're accusing me of "worshiping" Manny Pacquiao, and you seem to be rebuking me for posting this thread about him being born again, especially me being the founder of this site.

Well I'd caution you against being so judgmental against people in general.

Yes, I have been inspired by Manny Pacquiao (even before this "born again Christian" publicity) for the following reasons:

1. He's an incredible athlete. He has indeed won belts in more weight classes than any other boxer, including Mayweather. He holds the world record for that. And again, he takes on bigger guys and actually wins. That's impressive, any way you cut it.

2. He shows great humility. He never goes around saying that he's the best -- it's other people who say that, not him. I've also heard him say "without God I am nothing". Try listening to Mayweather for just 5 minutes -- it's pure vanity. The contrast between the two in this regard is like the grand canyon.

3. While being "the greatest" boxer -- or one of the greatest boxers, depending on who you ask -- he still does many other things, with ease. He'll go sing a concert immediately after another world-record breaking blockbuster match -- the same night! He's also a full time congressman, and TV host for his own show, and yet is still the boxing champion while doing all this and more.

He must have incredible discipline. Yes it inspires me. He also came from nothing by the way. From a garbage scavenger to this. Yes it's impressive.

If there's anything bad, then I don't admire that. There has been a lot in the tabloids here in the Philippines about him having another woman or women. It's hard to say how much of it is true, but it appears that at least some of it is factually based. I certainly don't admire that. In fact, that made me lose respect for him, though I still admired all that I described above.

He probably did cheat on his wife at some time or times.

He probably also didn't pay all his taxes for 2010 (that's what your article refers to) -- before his testimony about his life changing.

He's always been religious, like many people here in the Philippines. But just recently he has stated that now he knows he would have gone to HELL if he died last year or before, during all this time that he was religious with his Catholicism.

Jesus came to save sinners.

So yes, I want to post that a sinner named Manny Pacquiao -- an incredible athlete that I have admired in certain ways for certain reasons -- has expressed and shown great interest in the word of God and has acknowledged that all his religion before would not have gotten him into heaven.

God can save him just as well as you and me. I don't think you have enough reason to judge him like you're doing. He may actually be truly born again now. I actually think he is. I could be wrong. He might be one of those who says "Lord, Lord" but Jesus will say "depart from me I never knew you". You may also be in that category too, for all I know. But I don't have enough reason to judge your salvation or his at this point.

Also I'd suggest -- just as a user here -- that you not judge me for admiring this amazing individual, and posting this good news. Grant me the same liberty to post what I want to post on just like any other user here on this site. Probably all of us need to focus more on Christ -- I know I do -- and that may not be any less true for you.

Also remember that in all the ways we judge, we also will be judged.

Anyway if Manny Pacquiao is a born again Christian then I praise God for that. If it turns out that he's just faking it, or you're faking it, or whoever is faking it, it won't shake my faith. It will just make me learn and make me focus even more on Jesus, I hope.
 
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kayem77

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RoboOp's response was right on target! Jesus came to save sinners, even if they are celebrities. If there is joy in heaven with all of God's angels when a sinner repents why wouldn't be happy on earth too? Praise God!
 

RoboOp

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Here's the latest news from the Philippines on Manny Pacquiao and his new faith.

My wife showed me this article today on the front page of one of the main filipino news sites, Abante.com.ph.

It's all Tagalog (Filipino) so here is my wife's translation. I think you'll find it interesting.


'Manny Pacquiao' is DEAD



"'The old Manny Pacquiao is dead."

That is what the Filipino boxing ring icon and Congressman Manny Pacquiao recently said, regarding his new life as a Christian, and about embracing the Bible seriously.

"This is me now, the new Manny Pacquiao -- no more vices or gambling," [our translation] said Pacquiao in an interview on GMA 7.

Pacquiao’s colleagues in the House of Congress also expressed their support for his new faith.

But this may not be good news for the sports world -- there is a real possibility that the "killer punch" of the champion boxer will now be lost because of his new Christian faith.

"That is good for him as a person. But he may lose his killer instinct or it may be weakened in his future fights,” [our translation] said San Juan Rep. JV Ejercito in a text message.

It was almost immediately after his last fight, the fight between Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez, that Manny realized that he needed to change the course of his life -- and embrace the Bible seriously and make family a priority.

And in January, according to Pacquiao, he had a dream that the Lord told him to leave his boxing career as soon as possible because of the violent nature of the sport and the potential to seriously injure other people.

According to his fellow lawmakers in Congress, Pacquiao is now more likely to have pity on his opponent in the ring as a result of becoming more of a devout Christian.

Pacquiao is known for his speed and above all the power of his punch that dominates his opponents in the ring.

But his life changing faith now leaves many curious to see what kind of fight he will show in June against Tim Bradley in Las Vegas.

Translated from source: Abante Online | Sports

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That’s our translation, with the help of Google Translate and my Filipino wife. :)

Now I want to add if he is now truly a born again Christian, then we should be much more excited and thankful for that, than any victories in the ring, and we should actually applaud him for leaving boxing if he really feels led by the Lord to do so.
 
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sailet

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Great, inspiring transformation.
 
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michbun

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I don't think anyone can know whether they are going to heaven or hell. In the end it's up to God's mercy.

That said, I was raised as a devout Protestant Christian, and read the bible constantly. I still do, and it was through the Scriptures that I was lead to the Catholic Church. Protestant Christianity gave me a strong desire to read the Scriptures constantly, and a desire to share my faith with others. And it was through my love of reading the Scriptures that the Lord eventually lead me to the Catholic Church.

I'm grateful for all that I learned as a Protestant, there's a definite working of the Holy Spirit in many Protestant communities, and the zeal for the word of the Lord is amazing, but that said, I've never been to a more Christ centered church than a Catholic Church. And I've yet to find anything the Catholic Church teaches that contradicts Scripture. Remember that non-biblical doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong. After all, we're told by the Apostle John that Our Lord did many other things that weren't written down.

And I think it's disappointing to hear someone call religion disappointing. Christ didn't do away with the Law (aka, religion) but rather fulfilled it. And while it's fine to rail against hypocrisy in religion, to call all religion worthless is to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

The Catholic Church is the world's largest charitable organization, bar none. Here in the US, 1/6 of the people receiving hospital care do it at a Catholic affiliated hospital. And the Catholic Church has consistently been the strongest (though not the only) advocate for the sanctity of life from conception to the very end. Just last month over half a million people came out to March for Life here in DC, the majority of them were Catholic. The Catholic Church helped establish some of the first universities, and has been at the forefront of science. And it continues to bring the Gospel of Our Lord Jesus to everyone, offering them the gift of hope in Christ. There are many, many martyrs found in it's history, brave men and women who gave their very lives to spread the Gospel. And this continues on to this very day as Catholics shed their blood for the Gospel.

I'm grateful for his new zealousness, but I feel sorrow that he so easily dismisses his earlier faith.





If you want to know that people must know and learn that this is their choice to to go to heaven or hell. People obviously choose Heaven but some people especially doesnt know where is that way and you are not very sure.... Philippians 3:20....But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus.

This is the confidence of the faith we have in Christ... If you are not sure about going to heaven then you really dont understand why Jesus died on the cross.

Its like getting married and signed the marriage contract and after the changed of vows still both parties living like they are not married or unknowingly they are not married.


I John 5:11-13: eternal life is being saved while we are still on earth. because if you are not save and not sure then you better be saved before its too late.. Read 1timothy 1:15: It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, among whom I am foremost of all.
 
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michbun

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Romans 10:11


Luke 16:19
 

MrHonest

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Every time I saw his name it stood out to me even though I never watched boxing or knew who he was... just this 'feeling'... The Lord knows what it means.
 
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redemption

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Praise the Lord. Thank you Jesus that one who so many love in the ring is yet another to give you the glory in his life! God bless manny & his future ministry.

I think about my first decade as a Christian where I didnt know HOW to be a Christian I just knew the Love of God in Christ Jesus and that I was forgiven. I did alot of things wrong in that decade but the Holy Spirit ministered truth and I turned away from all of that. I'm certain that the Lord will place the rendering unto Ceasar scripture in Manny's face just like He did with me.

my step mom goes nuts when manny boxes. I love watching her jump around the living room punching the air more than I love watching pacquiao!!
 
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meecha

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go manny.....still love to see him fight mayweather...awesome
 
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Gdhsquare

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"See then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off" (Rom. 11:22)

"I pummel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified" (1 Cor. 9:27).

"I am not aware of anything against myself, but I am not thereby justified. It is the Lord who judges me" (1 Cor. 4:4).

"Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." Philippians 2:12

We can see that Paul warns us that we have to continue in our journey of faith, lest we be cut off. And he even remarks that he struggles and works to subdue his body lest he be disqualified. And he admits that while he's not aware of anything to disqualify himself, he's not the final arbiter. And as he was in prison, he tells us that we need to work out salvation. Showing us that salvation isn't just a one time event for us, but a continuing process.

We can be hopeful, but the heart can be very deceitful (Jer. 17:9), and we must be careful to not be overconfident.

I will have to disagree with your interpretation of the Scriptures. Scripture must be read in context to who, what, where, when and why.

Romans 11:22

Paul is referring to the Gentiles as a group. They could fall out of God's favor, just as the Jews had, as a group. This verse has nothing to do with the losing of salvation. If it had, the bible would be in contradiction of many other verses and God's promise.

1 Corinthians 9:27

in context to the passage Paul is discussing rewards in heaven, not eternal security. The bible is clear that one cannot earn their salvation. Earning your salvation is impossible. If we were able to earn our salvation, Jesus' sacrifice on the cross would have been in vain. Salvation is a free gift.
We are saved for good works, not by good works. Still, the Christian life is a race, a race to accomplish what God put us here for, a race to present ourselves approved unto God, a race to finish in a way so as to hear God say, “Well done, good and faithful servant.” Living for God’s approval requires finishing well.

1 Corinthians 4:4

What Paul is saying here it is insignificant to be judged by other men or himself.
Christians should not be motivated by an overwhelming desire to be popular with men. Our hearts should be set on living our lives acceptably before God. Though Paul's conscious was clear (which does not justify sin), his clear conscious is not the judge. Have to understand that all will be judged, saved and unsaved. We will all have to give an account before God. The difference is one is forgiven and the other is not. Also take note who Paul was addressing here. The Church of Cornith was divided and pretty much a mess.

Philippians 2:12

Let's look at Ephesians 2:8-10, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast. If we are to earn our salvation, wouldn't these verses contradict one another. If there is a contradiction here then God is not perfect and if God is not perfect, it would be safe to assume He is a liar. If that is the case, we are all doomed.

What is being said is there are two kinds of salvation. There is salvation of the soul and salvation of the life. It is impossible to work out God's salvation, but you are commanded to work out your own. In Colossians 1:16 all things have been created through him and for him. Pay attention to "for him." That should grab your attention. Not only were we created by God, we were created for him. Then jump up to Colissians 1:1-1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and Timothy our brother. You can see here it is God's "will" for Paul to be an apostle of Jesus. God's salvation is His work, but He has also prepared good works for me that I should be ready to do because that is His will and is for Him. Our eternal salvation is a work done by God. I cannot work out my eternal salvation, but I can work out the salvaging of my life by following God's will.

When you are born again, you are a new creation. You are not an improved version of your former self. But you are brand new. So for a Christian to lose salvation, the new creation would have to be destroyed. A Christian has been purchased with the precious blood of Christ. For a Christian to lose their salvation, God would have to revoke that purchase. A Christian is justified and is declared righteous before God no matter the sins in the past, present, and future. Jesus bore ALL our sins at the cross. For a ChristiN to lose salvation, God would have to go back on His word and undeclare what he had previously declared. A Christian is promised eternal life. For a Christian to lose salvation, eternal life would have to be redefined.

Scripture is clear that God cannot lie so these bible verses that I presented are not in contradiction to the bible verses you presented. So we must conclude the interpretation of these verses from our feeble minds is not accurate.

I like to refer to the thief on the cross who was next to Jesus. He has done nothing to earn salvation, he has not lived the Christian life, he was a thief, yet he was saved from his sins. He was saved because he believed. He believed that Jesus paid his debt on the cross by His blood. He acknowledged his sinnership and repented. He believed that through Jesus he would be forgiven. At that moment a miracle happened and he was born again, a new creation, a new spirit. He never took communion and was never baptized in water, yet he was saved and paradise was promised to him. He may have never prayed, he may have never went to church, he may have never done one good deed, yet he was saved. He was saved because only God can save his soul, grace through faith. God took the complexity of salvation upon Himself at the cross and made salvation simple for us. Now it is our job to do the good works God laid before us for His purpose and glory.
 

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Then again, I don't trust ANY politicians whatsoever, so Pacman might be saved or he might be saying it to get more publicity in the Phillipines. Who knows.

To me, it's the same thing as what Tebow did, but at least Tebow does things like give money away, help the sick, etc. Pacman just fights, sells a million different things with his name on them, and joins his country's congress. Tebow has far less to gain by doing what he does, while Pacman has elections, and business promotions to gain by doing his "I'm SAVED!" act. I guess only God knows the truth, but to proclaim it on here like it's such a great thing is somewhat naive if you ask me, especially considering who we are really talking about here.
Well... since this old thread is already resurrected, I'll make a quick point.


I guess if you know absolutely nothing about the Philippines, then the above comments make sense.

However, the whole world is not like the U.S.
In the Philippines about 80% of the people is Roman Catholic.
When Manny identified with protestant denominations, all if did was HURT his credibility.

I doubt you win elections in the Philippines by going against the Catholic Church.
Claiming to be "born again" is the worst thing a politician could do.
 
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maxwel

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Caveat:
If you can get through all the typos in my post above, message me...
you get a special prize.

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to Me a born again Chistians is one who recieves the truth coming out of christ mouth, for no deciet lies came out of His mouth, only truth and it is the truth that sets us free and whom the Son sets free is free indeed (from the devils lie) 2nd Cor 11/10 as the truth of christ is in me and no one can stop me from boasting in the region of Achaia (the devil cannot lie to truth) the only thing he can do is call them a liar but he cant touch the truth of Christ that is in them. and Christ says everyone who is of the truth hears My voice. the bible says we must be doers of the word not hearers only decieving ourselves that means we must obey col 3/16 John 8/51 Most assuredly I say to you if anyone keeps My words he shall never see death, and John 8/31 if you abide in My word you are My disciples indeed and you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free, and John 15/ 7 if you abide in Me and My words abide in you you shall ask what you desire and it shall be done for you, look at all these promises if we abide in His words which cannot lie. and He also says in John 14/24 he who does not love Me does not keep My sayings (his words) and many christitans dont love him they speak on their own resoures and do the work of the devil boy have I seen that on this sight I will pray for them that they wont just quote the Scriptures but they will believe them, for even the devil quotes Scriputure but he sure does not obey them he is not a doer of the word (God blesss and will pray for many) they need my prayers.