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Thread: Obamacare: Is it constitutional or not? You make the call!

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    Default Re: Obamacare: Is it constitutional or not? You make the call!

    "lol",,,,,,,,,,,,

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    Default Re: Obamacare: Is it constitutional or not? You make the call!

    It's funny how this thread title says "You make the call." It's not up to random members of an online forum whether or not it's constitutional. Whether or not it's constitutional is something that has to be decided by the Supreme Court, based on their understanding of the Constitution.

    What do you think this is, a democracy?

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    Default Re: Obamacare: Is it constitutional or not? You make the call!

    The govt has never been able to force anyone to purchase anything, The United Supreme Court will strike down the Manitory part, if they do the entitre law is useless. The funds come from the mandatory part, Congree will have to approve funds The vote will beclose to 5-4 against Unless one choses to withdraw do to conflict of interest, Poor day in the Constitution jmo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blu_Bug View Post
    The govt has never been able to force anyone to purchase anything, The United Supreme Court will strike down the Manitory part, if they do the entitre law is useless. The funds come from the mandatory part, Congree will have to approve funds The vote will beclose to 5-4 against Unless one choses to withdraw do to conflict of interest, Poor day in the Constitution jmo
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    Default Re: Obamacare: Is it constitutional or not? You make the call!

    Let us not belittle one and other.......

    Love should see past all things including punctuation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loveme1 View Post
    Love should see past all things including punctuation.
    Oh, I can love my neighbor even if he or she has poor grammar. But if I can't understand what he or she is saying, then posting on a social blog site like this is kinda useless.

    If something I posted didn't make sense to someone, I would want them to ask me for clarification. Do unto others.

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    Default Re: Obamacare: Is it constitutional or not? You make the call!

    When you don't agree, try to play teacher....... Use alot of Jibberish

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    Default Re: Obamacare: Is it constitutional or not? You make the call!

    It is totaly unconstitutional it suck we should have choice weather or not we want it or need it so i hope obama care don't go thew that's what i think.
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    obama care is a bad thing. If we allow that to go through we are going to lose more freedoms. Make us by insurance, then a electric car, then electric yard tools etc then on and on. We need to stop the government from doing what it was not designed to do. They need to get out of the private sector, religion and health care. Just think, what has to government really run well, and we want them looking over our health, I don't think so..As a vet, I went to nam to protect the freedom of the citizens of the United States, not to give the government more power. Cheers
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    Default Re: Obamacare: Is it constitutional or not? You make the call!

    now i keep coming back and forth to this post,,,"is ect, constitutional",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and i was sure hoping some where here an actual "lawyer",,,would chime in,,,,is it??????,,,,,"im not a lawyer",,,,,,,,,but as a preacher i can say it "sure worries me",,,,,,,,that is everyone plays copy cat,,,,,,,,,,is it constitutional????,,,that's what the news headlines say and we all follow,,,,,,,,,,,,,look on past it folks,,,,,,,,,,,they said "your costing all of us more money,,,,so we made it a mandate",,,,,,,,,,,,now in 2013 you've got to buy it,,,,,,"to share the load",,,,,,will they then do survays in school to see if the health of your children are improving?????will they set down little joey with the counselor and ask what he ate for supper last night?,,,,,,will they ask him about the night before and the night before,,,,,,,,if you buy the insurance that they made mandate and you cant afford the "good food" then you will buy the food you can afford,,,,,,,,,,now if you don't give the proper diet to little joey,,(cause you cant afford it)after paying the insurance,,,then you are going to become a great burden to the people,,,,,,,,our medical insurance is gonna get even higher,cause you wont feed the right food to little joey and we know this cause we sat him down and ask him what you feed him,,,,,,,,,so shouldn't we send c.p.s. out to your house and have you show us the receipts where you bought the food for little joey?,you know you didn't feed little joey the right food cause your too lazy to go home from work and cook,,,,,,,so you just go through the drive thru and gave him burgers,(now's where the lobbyist chime in),they say "yep,yep,,,dear government,,,,,right on the side of our box it says what she should have fed little joey,,,,make her buy it,, and show the receipts for it,make her give it to the counselor at school for proof",,,,,,,(here's a donation for the cause),,,,,,,,,but hey that was 2014,,,,,,,,,now its 2015,,,,,,,,,and you go to the doctors they tell you and eat the food they tell you,,,,,,,,,,,just to get to keep little joey,,,,,,,,,you see its a "health care act",,,,that don't just mean you pay to go to the doctor,it means you do what they say is healthy,,,,,,,,,,if you smoke you should pay more,,,,,,,,if you drink you should pay more,,,,,,,,,how many times a month do you buy cookies?,,how much do you weigh????????,well you bought three boxes of cookies and twelve candy bars last month and you gained 20 pounds so a dollar a pound,your insurance goes up 20 bucks "no point in us paying for it,,,since it's a mandate you see",,,,,,,,,,,and every one when they go to the doctor needs to be drug tested (cause it effects your health),and this is a "healthcare act",,,,,,,and if you test bad you need to post the results on Facebook,,,,,,and show us how much extra they make you pay for your insurance,,,,,,,and the "wobble water",,if you buy beer or whiskey "i want to know,how much more you paid and how much i saved cause they gave me the discount on my insurance,,,,,,,,,,,,but how do we keep track of all of this???????????you see if you give the receipts to little joey to take to school and the dog get's loose and follows him to the bus stop "and eats the receipts",,,,,,,,then the whole healthcare system is in an uproar,,,,,yea, yea,,,c.p.s. comes and you go online and print out the debit transactions from the bank and then you and the dog caused the government to spend all the extra gas money and wages for nothing,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"wouldn't it just be easier to stick a chip or something in your hand or forehead to keep track of it"?????????????????????oh!!!!! no!!!!!!!! we ran into a big problem,,,,,,,,,,,,,,it's called the fourth amendment,,,,,,,,,,,,"the right of the people to be(secure)in their persons(body),houses(home),papers(receipts),,,,,an d effects against unreasonable searches,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,oh how i wished a lawyer would have chimed in,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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    Default Re: Obamacare: Is it constitutional or not? You make the call!

    now why did i say this??????,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"unreaso nable searches and seizure's",,,,,don't you see just how "reasonible",,,,,,,,,it is for you to do all of the things i said???????????????????

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    Quote Originally Posted by iamsoandso View Post
    now why did i say this??????,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"unreaso nable searches and seizure's",,,,,don't you see just how "reasonible",,,,,,,,,it is for you to do all of the things i said???????????????????
    Is it just me, or does reading iamsoandso's posts make anyone else want to do an intervention, too?

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    Default Re: Obamacare: Is it constitutional or not? You make the call!

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    So... who's paying for all the people who don't have jobs and their bills? If you are poor and can't afford it and don't have a job, someone else is gonna be paying it for you right? I really don't see how a mandate is gonna help. People are always gonna be paying someone else's bill because so many are too lazy to get jobs. And even now if you go to the emergency room, it's always these people plugging it up. My brother and his wife are drug bums with no jobs. They ALWAYS go to the emergency room for stupid stuff like a stomach ache or whatever. We already have to pay for stupid people like that. How is the health care bill gonna change that?

    Also, I'm curious... since it will be a mandate, will jobs that provide health care now stop providing since you need to buy it anyway? I really don't see jobs giving you your money if they stop paying for health care. Like that is part of your pay, health care. If my job did stop paying for health care and my check went up because that money now goes to me instead and I buy my own, I wouldn't care. But do you really think jobs are gonna do that or just drop it off and you get paid the same amount and now you have to pay for health care on top of it?

    I'm not very savy on this whole thing and I'm not really sure where I should stand though I lean for against it currently.
    @acesneverwin.You should be careful of what you write.I have family members that aren't bums,they have jobs but they still can't afford healthcare.You wrote this,"And even now if you go to the emergency room,it's always these people plugging it up."I'm going to go out on a limb and say,I doubt most of the people who go to the emergency room for things that you consider to be "stupid stuff" are there because it's fun and they love waiting countless amount of hours for minimum care.They're there because they can't afford healthcare,which usually means that they don't have a primary doctor.Which brings me back to my point.Most people that go to the emergency room have jobs,but they still can't afford healthcare.In my opinion healthcare shouldn't be a privilege.I don't like the idea of a mandate that requires people who can't afford it,to by it anyway or be penalize.

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    Default Re: Obamacare: Is it constitutional or not? You make the call!

    to "intervene",,,,,,,,,,,i do see as to how this might at first make sense,,,"but let me point out",,,,,,,"this is an international web site",,,that's why there are all of the flags of the earth at the top of each page,,,,,,,,,,as i have said before in past post,i was born in Texas,,,,,and under duel nationality "the hr3200 may or may not even apply to me",,,,,,,,,but bear this one thing in mind,,,,,,,,,the debit/credit card system was created in the u.s/new york.,and also the r.f.i.d.,was created in u.s./Florida,,,,,,,and then was spread throughout the earth(notice it does not effect the ones in the u.s till now),,,,,,,,now look at the flags above the members of this site,,,,,,,,(most not even in the u.s.),,,,,,so you would think "why are they even posting on a thread about the laws being adopted into the u.s.?",,now minimize this thread,,,,,,,,,open the browser again,,,,,,,,,type in,,,,"r.f.i.d. laws Netherlands",,,,,look at the mandate given us,,,,,,,,,,now search "Brazil school children r.f.i.d.",,,,notice every child in school already has a chip????????,,,,,,,,,,,go to "India r.f.i.d." notice it's a mandate again????????,,,,,,,,,,,,,don't stop there keep looking at the "other countries" ,,,,,,,,,chip and pin,,,,,,,,,,,,,its every where except there,,,,till now,,,,,,,,,"that is why were watching",,,,,,,,,look at Greece,,,,,,,they sent this technology to the earth first,,now there bringing it back home to you,,,,,,,,,you think the rfid will begin some where and spread world widebut it began there and was given to the earth and is now coming back to you,,,,,,,,,,"you are the end of it and it began in your country",,,,,,,,,,how can the rest of the world be rescued from the mandates,,,,,,,,if the country who is the great democracy that defends us against the mandates,now bows down to ,,,,,,,,,,"the mandate",,,,,,,,we cannot rescue you,,,,,,,,,,you are the one fighting for equal rights world wide,,,,,,,,,"me snapping my fingers at you",,,,,,,,,,,,,"you cannot defend me you cannot defend yourselves anymore",,,,,,,,,,,,,

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    Default Re: Obamacare: Is it constitutional or not? You make the call!

    do not take my words "unkind",,,,,,,,i do not mean them rude,,,,,,,,,,forgive me if i offend you,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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    Default Re: Obamacare: Is it constitutional or not? You make the call!

    is it "unconstitutional or not?",,,,,,,,,,we the people,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"should a lawer chime in?",,,,,,,,,no "we the people ,,,,,you chime in",,,,,,,you are not lawyers,,you are not presidents,,,,,,,,,,,you are "we the people",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"put them out of office",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,remember what Hillery said to Mubarak??????????,,,,"you must go!!!!!!!",,,,,,,,,,,tell the men of your nation ,,,,,,,,,,,,"you must go!!!!!!!!!",,,,,,,,,,,,throw your rally "at the ballet box",,,,,,,,,,,,,throw your riot "at the ballot box",,,,,,,,,,,,put all of your weapons "in the slot at the ballot box",,,,,,,,,,,,,throw them out ,tell them they must go,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,or we will pick you up by the boat loads at our beaches as you do the Cubans,,,,,,,,,,and the only difference is you will beg us for food and water and we will rob your boat,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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    Default Re: Obamacare: Is it constitutional or not? You make the call!

    yes,,,,i am a man in a muddy swamp,,,,i look real close at the others coming,,,,,,,,,,,,,they are like a dark shadow on the other bank confused in the reeds,,,,,,,,,,,i cannot see them,,,,,,but there is a man in a three piece suit and a man is following him pouring him wine,,,,all of his children are following him as though there is nothing going on, they are playing in the mud,,,,,,,,,,the thing to do is to lure the man and his children into the swamp in front of the shadows,,,,,,,,,,,,they will fall somewhere in the swamp and i know that the shadows on the other side see me as "the shadow on the other side of the swamp",,,,,,,,,,,,and the united states is between us,,,,,,,,,,

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    Default Re: Obamacare: Is it constitutional or not? You make the call!

    you are "bait",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you walk around in the earths history,,,proud,,,,,,,,,,,this is what you expect the worm to do on the end of the fishhook,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moe View Post
    obama care is a bad thing. If we allow that to go through we are going to lose more freedoms. Make us by insurance, then a electric car, then electric yard tools etc then on and on. We need to stop the government from doing what it was not designed to do. They need to get out of the private sector, religion and health care. Just think, what has to government really run well, and we want them looking over our health, I don't think so..As a vet, I went to nam to protect the freedom of the citizens of the United States, not to give the government more power. Cheers
    amen moe i totaly agree
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    Default Re: Obamacare: Is it constitutional or not? You make the call!

    Why the sole superpower on earth has having difficulty on healthcare but never on budgets for military and weapons' upgrade?

    I heard Cuban healthcare is far better than in the US.

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