The Dodo Bird

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Therapon

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As most of you know, I'm 84 years old, a retired pastor/author/lecturer. I've witnessed the sociatal changes in our country with my own two eyes so I can state from personal experience that we are so culturally and morally different than our earlier generations that our forefathers would not recognize us as Americans.

Despite our many warts and bumps (the horror of slavery and the slaughter of native Americans), by and large, the ordinary American had a good heart and we once considered ourselves a cohesive Christian people under God. Historic revisionists notwithstanding, our laws were founded in Biblical principles.

Today, we are departing from those principles as fast as our sexual preferences can carry us. Deviancy of every kind is taught as normal in our public schools. The family unit is rapidly disintegrating with better than 50% of our children raised by single parents or in homes where neither adult is the parent. Despite our grinning politicians and our smiling TV talking heads, that's reality, folks.


When multi-cultural values are accepted (that any cultural system is acceptable as long as it doesn't impact one's personal lifestyle), we lose our cohesion as a unique people. We stop being Americans with common goals and become Black Americans, Asian American, Latino Americans, or X type "Americans," each with special agendas and more loyalty to our ethnic or political group than to our country as a whole. Our nation then loses it's cultural identity.


What I see when I look around me now is the last days of the Assyrian, Babylonian, Medo-Persian, Greek and Roman Empires. When those empire lost their cohesion as a unified people, they soon fell.


It is this cultural fragmentation that leads me to believe we have won our last war and are facing a societal breakdown that will end in amarchy and our becoming the next totalitarian state. In my opinion, our Constitutional Republic is as dead as the Dodo bird. Our feathers just haven't been plucked yet.


Timetable? I don't have one, I'm just looking at the overall picture and believe our featherless carcass will soon be ready for jackbooted thugs and their fascist pot.
 
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Crimeny

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it won't be long, i speculate that maybe within the next 50 years if an economic crash doesn't wipe out the country or the world market, that maybe we will witness some hard times.
 
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Therapon

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[quote=Crimeny;675881]it won't be long, i speculate that maybe within the next 50 years if an economic crash doesn't wipe out the country or the world market, that maybe we will witness some hard times.[/quote]

Because of Luke 21:24 - 32 and a few other Scriptures, I don't give us more than a year or two. Besides that, it appears that all Bible prophecy that needed to be fulfilled before the Lord's return has alreadyh brrn fulfilled with the exception of James 5:1-8, which is in the process of being fulfilled right before our eyes, no waiting.
 
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Therapon

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Looks like I could have spelled "been" a little better. <smile>
 
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Yes the country is going down hilll. Let's try to keep this to news in the news forum.
 
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Therapon

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Yes the country is going down hilll. Let's try to keep this to news in the news forum.
Sorry I didn't realize I wasn't following forum protocol; I didn't know where it should have been posted. I will add no more poste here. I must admit, my post hasn't been news for many years, but to those sleepers who think the next couple of years are going to be life as usual . . . it is news.
 
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There are days I wish I had grown up in your America, sir.
 
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Therapon, the words you speak ARE current news! Those who do not realize that are those who have allowed our country and its morals to fall apart.
 
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[quote=Crimeny;675881]it won't be long, i speculate that maybe within the next 50 years if an economic crash doesn't wipe out the country or the world market, that maybe we will witness some hard times.
Because of Luke 21:24 - 32 and a few other Scriptures, I don't give us more than a year or two. Besides that, it appears that all Bible prophecy that needed to be fulfilled before the Lord's return has alreadyh brrn fulfilled with the exception of James 5:1-8, which is in the process of being fulfilled right before our eyes, no waiting.
Jas 5:1 Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you.
Jas 5:2 Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten.
Jas 5:3 Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.
Jas 5:4 Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth.
Jas 5:5 Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.
Jas 5:6 Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.
Jas 5:7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.
Jas 5:8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.

Even at the door.

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316
 
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NinJaGGS

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Is this the same America that i live in? The America I know was founded out of greed, murder and extortion. From the slaughter of the Natives to the enslavement of Black people to the subjugation of every race to the mob wars to the corruption of government from the very beginning. I don't believe there was ever an America founded as a Christian country. NOT ONE THING HAS AMERICA DONE THAT IS CHRISTIAN. This is a country of satan.
Although God has blessed us so much, we still are very evil. America may be living through an "economic depression" but our economic depression is a joke compared to what the other parts of the world have suffered through during the reign of America. America is Rome, creating a desolation and calling it peace.
Pirates founded this country and not much has changed ever since.
 
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scribeman

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Brilliant & True,

Wisdom is timeless, but time is of Age.
 
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Therapon

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There are days I wish I had grown up in your America, sir.

Yes, my generation was priviledged. My parents were missionaries to the Phillipines before WW2. I was there until I was 10. I used to wander all over Manila in total safety. My parents never worried about me because back then it was unthinkable for anyone to hurt a child, no matter where in the world he might happen to be.

In the Navy in the 40s, I wandered all over New York in perfect safety, even at night. Spanish and Colored Halem included (no offence intended, that's what that part of the city was called back then). I walked around the Watts section of Los Angeles and some of the less desirable neighborhoods in San Fransisco. No big deal, nobody would think of mugging a 17 year old kid in the Navy.

So yes, I miss what it was like and am glad I'm as old as I am. I remember when and how Hitler came to power and can't help but notice that conditions in our country today are almost identical to those in the German republic just before it fell and the Nazis took over. So are we going to fare any better than the German people did? I doubt it, which was the main reason for my first post.


 
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Therapon

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Is this the same America that i live in? The America I know was founded out of greed, murder and extortion. From the slaughter of the Natives to the enslavement of Black people to the subjugation of every race to the mob wars to the corruption of government from the very beginning. I don't believe there was ever an America founded as a Christian country. NOT ONE THING HAS AMERICA DONE THAT IS CHRISTIAN. This is a country of satan.
Although God has blessed us so much, we still are very evil. America may be living through an "economic depression" but our economic depression is a joke compared to what the other parts of the world have suffered through during the reign of America. America is Rome, creating a desolation and calling it peace.
Pirates founded this country and not much has changed ever since.
With all due respect, sir, you are in considerable error. Yes, this country has done some very wicked things, particularly since WW2, but I am old enough to remember when it wasn't that way. I am a 6th generation American, a direct descendant of the Pilgrims who landed at Plymouth Rock. And why did my forefathers leave the flesh-pots of jolly old England? To escape religious persecution, that&#8217;s why. The same was true of the Pennsylvania Dutch and many other groups. And guess what, they were not Buddhists, Shintoists, Hindus or Muslims, they were fundamental Christians, so this was indeed a very Christian country as the writings of our founding fathers plainly declare over and over. You may have been reading too many revisionist historians who have forgotten that until the 20th century, the tallest and best attended buildings in every city were always the churches.
 
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Is this the same America that i live in? The America I know was founded out of greed, murder and extortion. From the slaughter of the Natives to the enslavement of Black people to the subjugation of every race to the mob wars to the corruption of government from the very beginning. I don't believe there was ever an America founded as a Christian country. NOT ONE THING HAS AMERICA DONE THAT IS CHRISTIAN. This is a country of satan.
Although God has blessed us so much, we still are very evil. America may be living through an "economic depression" but our economic depression is a joke compared to what the other parts of the world have suffered through during the reign of America. America is Rome, creating a desolation and calling it peace.
Pirates founded this country and not much has changed ever since.
America is partially great because her people are sorry for their national crimes. We are one of very few nations that have largely repudiated our sins and, at times, shed blood to see them rectified.

Sure, our nation had its share of rogues, but what your statement displays is utter ignorance of the Founding era (or Howard Zinn's reading which is tantamount to utter ignorance) and an unrealistic criterion for judging the deeds and founding of not only our nation but any nation that has ever existed.

Furthermore, your final statement follows an illogical assumption that all the world's darkness is caused by the fact America exists.
 
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With all due respect, sir, you are in considerable error. Yes, this country has done some very wicked things, particularly since WW2, but I am old enough to remember when it wasn't that way. I am a 6th generation American, a direct descendant of the Pilgrims who landed at Plymouth Rock. And why did my forefathers leave the flesh-pots of jolly old England? To escape religious persecution, that’s why. The same was true of the Pennsylvania Dutch and many other groups. And guess what, they were not Buddhists, Shintoists, Hindus or Muslims, they were fundamental Christians, so this was indeed a very Christian country as the writings of our founding fathers plainly declare over and over. You may have been reading too many revisionist historians who have forgotten that until the 20th century, the tallest and best attended buildings in every city were always the churches.
Therapon since you were referring to the founding fathers I thought I would post this to show that congress actually held prayer in those days.

Representatives from each of the 13 states met in Philadelphia to iron out differences that threatened to destroy the new nation. However, the battles between them intensified until statements made by Benjamin Franklin brought a sobering air to the room.
"I have lived, sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth - that god governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that tan empire can rise without His aid?
... I therefore beg leave to move that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessing on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business..."

Our Constitution was written shortly thereafter, by men who earnestly sought God.
The First Prayer in Congress.
A Constant Reminder That America Was Born With a Prayer and Founded as a Nation "UNDER GOD".
September 1774. Carpenter’s Hall – Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. 35th Psalm fell on that day in the regular Episcopal readings. It was such an appropriate Psalm that all must have felt it was a message from God. This Psalm is still chosen today by those feeling overwhelmed by tyrannical forces, and it still has a profoundly uplifting effect on any audience that hears it.
The Actual First prayer
"Lord our Heavenly Father, High and Mighty King of kings, and Lord of lords, who dost from thy throne behold all the dwellers on earth and reignest with power supreme and uncontrolled over all the Kingdoms, Empires and Governments; look down in mercy, we beseech thee, on these our American States, who have fled to thee from the rod of the oppressor and thrown themselves on Thy gracious protection, desiring to be henceforth dependent on Thee, to Thee have they appealed for the righteousness of their cause; to Thee do they now look up for that countenance and support, which Thou alone canst give; take them, therefore, Heavenly Father, under Thy nurturing care; give them wisdom in Council and valor in the field; defeat the malicious designs of our cruel adversaries; convince them of the unrighteousness of their Cause and if they persist in their sanguinary purposes, of own unerring justice, sounding in their hearts, constrain them to drop the weapons of war from their unnerved hands in the day of battle! Be Thou present, O God of wisdom, and direct the councils of this honorable assembly; enable them to settle things on the best and surest foundation. That the scene of blood may be speedily closed; that order, harmony and peace may be effectually restored, and truth and justice, religion and piety, prevail and flourish amongst Thy people. Preserve the health of their bodies and vigor of their minds; shower down on them and the millions they here represent, such temporal blessings as Thou seest expedient for them in this world and crown them with everlasting glory in the world to come. all this we ask In the Name and through the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son and our Savior.
Amen."
The First Prayer offered in Congress
September 7th, 1774 by Jacob Duche in Carpenters Hall, Philadelphia

Witnesses record that during the prayer Washington knelt along with Henry, Randolph, Lee, Rutledge and Jay. The last two were originally the most vocal in opposing the idea of a prayer. After the prayer a profound silence followed, so deep was the sense of responsibility upon each man present.

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316
 
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Therapon

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Yes I know. The abysmal ignorance of our history can be laid directly at the door of the National Teachers Union and its public education system (so called). Even if they were overtly trying to do so, they couldn't do a better job of dumbing down our kids. Our upcoming generation will not be competative in the marketplace because of it.
 
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Their purpose is reeducation. I'll never forget my first history classes. I was seven, and the first thing we were taught about was the Civil Rights Era and the evils done to minorities. I realize that such things happened, but to completely overlook all of the good in America's history for the purposes of political indoctrination is utterly disgraceful.

What about the Pilgrims and Colonists? What about our founders? What about American triumph abroad in the face of foreign evils like Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union?

I am not for the political indoctrination of children, but if we are going to teach them something, let it be in both truth and fairness.
 

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Therapon since you were referring to the founding fathers I thought I would post this to show that congress actually held prayer in those days.

Representatives from each of the 13 states met in Philadelphia to iron out differences that threatened to destroy the new nation. However, the battles between them intensified until statements made by Benjamin Franklin brought a sobering air to the room.
"I have lived, sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth - that god governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that tan empire can rise without His aid?
... I therefore beg leave to move that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessing on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business..."

Our Constitution was written shortly thereafter, by men who earnestly sought God.
The First Prayer in Congress.
A Constant Reminder That America Was Born With a Prayer and Founded as a Nation "UNDER GOD".
September 1774. Carpenter&#8217;s Hall &#8211; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. 35th Psalm fell on that day in the regular Episcopal readings. It was such an appropriate Psalm that all must have felt it was a message from God. This Psalm is still chosen today by those feeling overwhelmed by tyrannical forces, and it still has a profoundly uplifting effect on any audience that hears it.
The Actual First prayer
"Lord our Heavenly Father, High and Mighty King of kings, and Lord of lords, who dost from thy throne behold all the dwellers on earth and reignest with power supreme and uncontrolled over all the Kingdoms, Empires and Governments; look down in mercy, we beseech thee, on these our American States, who have fled to thee from the rod of the oppressor and thrown themselves on Thy gracious protection, desiring to be henceforth dependent on Thee, to Thee have they appealed for the righteousness of their cause; to Thee do they now look up for that countenance and support, which Thou alone canst give; take them, therefore, Heavenly Father, under Thy nurturing care; give them wisdom in Council and valor in the field; defeat the malicious designs of our cruel adversaries; convince them of the unrighteousness of their Cause and if they persist in their sanguinary purposes, of own unerring justice, sounding in their hearts, constrain them to drop the weapons of war from their unnerved hands in the day of battle! Be Thou present, O God of wisdom, and direct the councils of this honorable assembly; enable them to settle things on the best and surest foundation. That the scene of blood may be speedily closed; that order, harmony and peace may be effectually restored, and truth and justice, religion and piety, prevail and flourish amongst Thy people. Preserve the health of their bodies and vigor of their minds; shower down on them and the millions they here represent, such temporal blessings as Thou seest expedient for them in this world and crown them with everlasting glory in the world to come. all this we ask In the Name and through the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son and our Savior.
Amen."
The First Prayer offered in Congress
September 7th, 1774 by Jacob Duche in Carpenters Hall, Philadelphia

Witnesses record that during the prayer Washington knelt along with Henry, Randolph, Lee, Rutledge and Jay. The last two were originally the most vocal in opposing the idea of a prayer. After the prayer a profound silence followed, so deep was the sense of responsibility upon each man present.

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion" John Adams Treaty of Tripoli 1797
 
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Below is a list of quotes from some of the most influential men in the formation of the United States of America. The reason for this list is to point out the large oversight on the part of many Americans when they buy into the idea that the country's founders established a "seperation of Church and State". If that had indeed been their intention it stood in stark contrast to their beliefs on government and specifically how the U.S.A. should be ran. Whether citizens of the US are willing to admit it or not they owe a debt of gratitude to Christianity for the freedoms they so often claim to be defending when they bash Christianity.

John Adams and John Hancock:
We Recognize No Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus! [April 18, 1775]

John Adams:
" The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principals of Christianity I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God."

"[July 4th] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty."
John Adams in a letter written to Abigail on the day the Declaration was approved by Congress

"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." --October 11, 1798

"I have examined all religions, as well as my narrow sphere, my straightened means, and my busy life, would allow; and the result is that the Bible is the best Book in the world. It contains more philosophy than all the libraries I have seen." December 25, 1813 letter to Thomas Jefferson

"Without Religion this World would be Something not fit to be mentioned in polite Company, I mean Hell." [John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, April 19, 1817]

Samuel Adams: | Portrait of Sam Adams
"He who made all men hath made the truths necessary to human happiness obvious to all"Our forefathers opened the Bible to all." [ "American Independence," August 1, 1776. Speech delivered at the State House in Philadelphia]

" Let divines and philosophers, statesmen and patriots, unite their endeavors to renovate the age by impressing the minds of men with the importance of educating their little boys and girls, inculcating in the minds of youth the fear and love of the Deity and leading them in the study and practice of the exalted virtues of the Christian system." [October 4, 1790]

John Quincy Adams:
"Why is it that, next to the birthday of the Savior of the world, your most joyous and most venerated festival returns on this day [the Fourth of July]?" "Is it not that, in the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior? That it forms a leading event in the progress of the Gospel dispensation? Is it not that the Declaration of Independence first organized the social compact on the foundation of the Redeemer's mission upon earth? That it laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity"?
--1837, at the age of 69, when he delivered a Fourth of July speech at Newburyport, Massachusetts.

"The Law given from Sinai [The Ten Commandments] was a civil and municipal as well as a moral and religious code."
John Quincy Adams. Letters to his son. p. 61

Elias Boudinot: | Portrait of Elias Boudinot
" Be religiously careful in our choice of all public officers . . . and judge of the tree by its fruits."

Charles Carroll - signer of the Declaration of Independence | Portrait of Charles Carroll
" Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure...are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments." [Source: To James McHenry on November 4, 1800.]

Benjamin Franklin: | Portrait of Ben Franklin
" God governs in the affairs of man. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? We have been assured in the Sacred Writings that except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it. I firmly believe this. I also believe that, without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel" "Constitutional Convention of 1787 | original manuscript of this speech

"In the beginning of the contest with Britain, when we were sensible of danger, we had daily prayers in this room for Divine protection. Our prayers, Sir, were heard, and they were graciously answered do we imagine we no longer need His assistance?" [Constitutional Convention, Thursday June 28, 1787]

In Benjamin Franklin's 1749 plan of education for public schools in Pennsylvania, he insisted that schools teach "the excellency of the Christian religion above all others, ancient or modern."
In 1787 when Franklin helped found Benjamin Franklin University, it was dedicated as "a nursery of religion and learning, built on Christ, the Cornerstone."

Alexander Hamilton:
"The Christian Constitutional Society, its object is first: The support of the Christian religion. Second: The support of the United States."

On July 12, 1804 at his death, Hamilton said, "I have a tender reliance on the mercy of the Almighty, through the merits of the Lord Jesus Christ. I am a sinner. I look to Him for mercy; pray for me."

"For my own part, I sincerely esteem it [the Constitution] a system which without the finger of God, never could have been suggested and agreed upon by such a diversity of interests." [1787 after the Constitutional Convention]

"I have carefully examined the evidences of the Christian religion, and if I was sitting as a juror upon its authenticity I would unhesitatingly give my verdict in its favor. I can prove its truth as clearly as any proposition ever submitted to the mind of man."

John Hancock:
"In circumstances as dark as these, it becomes us, as Men and Christians, to reflect that whilst every prudent measure should be taken to ward off the impending judgments, at the same time all confidence must be withheld from the means we use; and reposed only on that God rules in the armies of Heaven, and without His whole blessing, the best human counsels are but foolishness Resolved; Thursday the 11th of May to humble themselves before God under the heavy judgments felt and feared, to confess the sins that have deserved them, to implore the Forgiveness of all our transgressions, and a spirit of repentance and reformation and a Blessing on the Union of the American Colonies in Defense of their Rights [for which hitherto we desire to thank Almighty God]That the people of Great Britain and their rulers may have their eyes opened to discern the things that shall make for the peace of the nation for the redress of America's many grievances, the restoration of all her invaded liberties, and their security to the latest generations.

"A Day of Fasting, Humiliation and Prayer, with a total abstinence from labor and recreation. Proclamation on April 15, 1775"
Patrick Henry:
"Orator of the Revolution."

" This is all the inheritance I can give my dear family. The religion of Christ can give them one which will make them rich indeed."
"The Last Will and Testament of Patrick Henry

"It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here." [May 1765 Speech to the House of Burgesses]

"The Bible is worth all other books which have ever been printed."
John Jay:

" Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers." Source: October 12, 1816. The Correspondence and Public Papers of John Jay, Henry P. Johnston, ed., (New York: Burt Franklin, 1970), Vol. IV, p. 393.

"Whether our religion permits Christians to vote for infidel rulers is a question which merits more consideration than it seems yet to have generally received either from the clergy or the laity. It appears to me that what the prophet said to Jehoshaphat about his attachment to Ahab ["Shouldest thou help the ungodly and love them that hate the Lord?" 2 Chronicles 19:2] affords a salutary lesson." [The Correspondence and Public Papers of John Jay, 1794-1826, Henry P. Johnston, editor (New York: G.P. Putnam's Sons, 1893), Vol. IV, p.365]

Thomas Jefferson:
" The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend to all the happiness of man."

"Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern which have come under my observation, none appears to me so pure as that of Jesus."

"I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus."

"God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever." (excerpts are inscribed on the walls of the Jefferson Memorial in the nations capital) [Source: Merrill . D. Peterson, ed., Jefferson Writings, (New York: Literary Classics of the United States, Inc., 1984), Vol. IV, p. 289. From Jefferson's Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, 1781.]
Samuel Johnston:

"It is apprehended that Jews, Mahometans (Muslims), pagans, etc., may be elected to high offices under the government of the United States. Those who are Mahometans, or any others who are not professors of the Christian religion, can never be elected to the office of President or other high office, [unless] first the people of America lay aside the Christian religion altogether, it may happen. Should this unfortunately take place, the people will choose such men as think as they do themselves.
[Elliot's Debates, Vol. IV, pp 198-199, Governor Samuel Johnston, July 30, 1788 at the North Carolina Ratifying Convention]

James Madison
" We've staked our future on our ability to follow the Ten Commandments with all of our heart."

"We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We've staked the future of all our political institutions upon our capacity to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." [1778 to the General Assembly of the State of Virginia]

"I have sometimes thought there could not be a stronger testimony in favor of religion or against temporal enjoyments, even the most rational and manly, than for men who occupy the most honorable and gainful departments and [who] are rising in reputation and wealth, publicly to declare the unsatisfactoriness [of temportal enjoyments] by becoming fervent advocates in the cause of Christ; and I wish you may give in your evidence in this way.
Letter by Madison to William Bradford (September 25, 1773)

" An Act for the relief of the Bible Society of Philadelphia" Approved February 2, 1813 by Congress

"It is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian forbearance, love, and charity toward each other."

"A watchful eye must be kept on ourselves lest, while we are building ideal monuments of renown and bliss here, we neglect to have our names enrolled in the Annals of Heaven."
[Letter by Madison to William Bradford [urging him to make sure of his own salvation] November 9, 1772]

James McHenry - Signer of the Constitution
Public utility pleads most forcibly for the general distribution of the Holy Scriptures. The doctrine they preach, the obligations they impose, the punishment they threaten, the rewards they promise, the stamp and image of divinity they bear, which produces a conviction of their truths, can alone secure to society, order and peace, and to our courts of justice and constitutions of government, purity, stability and usefulness. In vain, without the Bible, we increase penal laws and draw entrenchments around our institutions. Bibles are strong entrenchments. Where they abound, men cannot pursue wicked courses, and at the same time enjoy quiet conscience.
Jedediah Morse:

"To the kindly influence of Christianity we owe that degree of civil freedom, and political and social happiness which mankind now enjoys. . . . Whenever the pillars of Christianity shall be overthrown, our present republican forms of government, and all blessings which flow from them, must fall with them."

The following is especially relevant for the removing of religious activities in schools

Thomas Paine:
" It has been the error of the schools to teach astronomy, and all the other sciences, and subjects of natural philosophy, as accomplishments only; whereas they should be taught theologically, or with reference to the Being who is the author of them: for all the principles of science are of divine origin. Man cannot make, or invent, or contrive principles: he can only discover them; and he ought to look through the discovery to the Author."

" The evil that has resulted from the error of the schools, in teaching natural philosophy as an accomplishment only, has been that of generating in the pupils a species of atheism. Instead of looking through the works of creation to the Creator himself, they stop short, and employ the knowledge they acquire to create doubts of his existence. They labour with studied ingenuity to ascribe every thing they behold to innate properties of matter, and jump over all the rest by saying, that matter is eternal." "The Existence of God--1810"

Benjamin Rush:
"I lament that we waste so much time and money in punishing crimes and take so little pains to prevent them-we neglect the only means of establishing and perpetuating our republican forms of government; that is, the universal education of our youth in the principles of Christianity by means of the Bible; for this Divine Book, above all others, constitutes the soul of republicanism." "By withholding the knowledge of [the Scriptures] from children, we deprive ourselves of the best means of awakening moral sensibility in their minds." [Letter written (1790's) in Defense of the Bible in all schools in America]

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"Christianity is the only true and perfect religion."
"If moral precepts alone could have reformed mankind, the mission of the Son of God into our world would have been unnecessary."

"Let the children who are sent to those schools be taught to read and write and above all, let both sexes be carefully instructed in the principles and obligations of the Christian religion. This is the most essential part of education"

Letters of Benjamin Rush, "To the citizens of Philadelphia: A Plan for Free Schools", March 28, 1787

Justice Joseph Story:
" I verily believe Christianity necessary to the support of civil society. One of the beautiful boasts of our municipal jurisprudence is that Christianity is a part of the Common Law. . . There never has been a period in which the Common Law did not recognize Christianity as lying its foundations."
[Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States p. 593]

" Infidels and pagans were banished from the halls of justice as unworthy of credit." [Life and letters of Joseph Story, Vol. II 1851, pp. 8-9.]

" At the time of the adoption of the constitution, and of the amendment to it, now under consideration [i.e., the First Amendment], the general, if not the universal sentiment in America was, that Christianity ought to receive encouragement from the state, so far as was not incompatible with the private rights of conscience, and the freedom of religious worship."
[Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States p. 593]

Noah Webster:
" The duties of men are summarily comprised in the Ten Commandments, consisting of two tables; one comprehending the duties which we owe immediately to God-the other, the duties we owe to our fellow men."

"In my view, the Christian religion is the most important and one of the first things in which all children, under a free government ought to be instructed...No truth is more evident to my mind than that the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people."
[Source: 1828, in the preface to his American Dictionary of the English Language]

Let it be impressed on your mind that God commands you to choose for rulers just men who will rule in the fear of God [Exodus 18:21]. . . . If the citizens neglect their duty and place unprincipled men in office, the government will soon be corrupted . . . If our government fails to secure public prosperity and happiness, it must be because the citizens neglect the Divine commands, and elect bad men to make and administer the laws. [Noah Webster, The History of the United States (New Haven: Durrie and Peck, 1832), pp. 336-337, 49]

"All the miseries and evils which men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible." [Noah Webster. History. p. 339]

"The Bible was America's basic textbook
in all fields." [Noah Webster. Our Christian Heritage p.5]

"Education is useless without the Bible" [Noah Webster. Our Christian Heritage p.5 ]

George Washington:
Farewell Address: The name of American, which belongs to you, in your national capacity, must always exalt the just pride of Patriotism, more than any appellation derived from local discriminations. With slight shades of difference, you have the same religion" ...and later: "...reason and experience both forbid us to expect, that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle..."

" It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and Bible."

"What students would learn in American schools above all is the religion of Jesus Christ." [speech to the Delaware Indian Chiefs May 12, 1779]

"To the distinguished character of patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian" [May 2, 1778, at Valley Forge]

"Although guided by our excellent Constitution in the discharge of official duties, and actuated, through the whole course of my public life, solely by a wish to promote the best interests of our country; yet, without the beneficial interposition of the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, we could not have reached the distinguished situation which we have attained with such unprecedented rapidity. To HIM, therefore, should we bow with gratitude and reverence, and endeavor to merit a continuance of HIS special favors". [1797 letter to John Adams]