Bavaria, Germany, Announces Republication Of Adolf Hitler Memoir 'Mein Kampf'

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One of the most controversial books in history is about to come back into print in its homeland -- something that hasn't been true in nearly 70 years. On Monday, the German state of Bavaria announced plans to publish an annotated version of Adolf Hitler’s infamous “Mein Kampf,” according to Der Spiegel.
The southern German state has held ownership of the book’s copyright since the end of World War II, the Associated Press notes, but those rights are due to expire in 2015.

“Mein Kampf” is currently banned in Austria and Russia, the Daily Mail writes. But contrary to popular belief, the notorious book is not banned in Germany -- Bavaria has simply prevented its printing in an effort to control production, the AP notes.


In January, a German magazine ignited controversy when it tried to publish excerpts from the book alongside critical commentary, the New York Times reports. German authorities took the matter to court, which ruled that any publication of the book violated Bavaria’s copyright.

But now, with the copyright expiration drawing near, Bavaria is publishing its own version of the book and calling it damage control. Der Spiegel reports that the book will include commentaries that condemn Hitler’s arguments.

On Tuesday, Bavarian Finance Minister Markus Söder told Der Spiegel that the German state's version of the book would illuminate "the global catastrophe that this dangerous way of thinking led to.”


The Dec. 8, 1999, file photo shows a book store displaying Adolf Hitler's "Mein Kampf" in downtown Sarajevo. (AP Photo/Hidajet Delic)

'Mein Kampf' Publishing: Bavaria, Germany, Announces Republication Of Adolf Hitler Memoir
 
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That book should have been buried along with Adolf Hitler. The last thing this world needs is another generation exposed to the ideas of the demon that inhabited Hitler.

I personally believe that, as tensions rise in the Middle East, regardless if Israel is directly involved or not, Israel will be blamed by many when oil / gas prices soar out of control causing the cost living to rise dramatically.
 
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The sad thing is that many have the same view towards Arabs that Hitler had toward the Jews. Let's be cautious of any calls for eliminating people groups.
 
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The sad thing is that many have the same view towards Arabs that Hitler had toward the Jews. Let's be cautious of any calls for eliminating people groups.
Or books for that matter. Part of my sympathizes with the impulse to bury the book, but I think that is the wrong response.

Nazism, in the form he proposed, will not rise again. Nazism, Hitlerism, whatever you wish to call it didn't start with Hitler. His Germany was a culmination of many world events and ideas which are not in vogue today per say.

1. Versailles
2. Nietsche
3. Hegel
4. Wagner
5. Feuerbach
6. Marx
7. Bismarck
8. Luther
9. Darwin
10. Christianity
11. Malthus
12. Neopaganism

Few people today will read Mein Kampf and say "this man really has something." But people will read and consume other material that influenced Hitler and the nation that followed him.

So what do we do? Ban these books? Certainly not. Why? Evil ideas arise without books, and other evil ideas come from sources we may not expect as they are written. People will be convinced their ideas are new and unprecedented, that they can make the world over with their ideas when those ideas startlingly resemble those of the past.

No, we must take these books and evaluate them; find the core of the ideas and how they could be re expressed in our times. Recognizing the evil and critically reviewing it will preserve freedom.
 
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Now we know what the anti-christ will be reading.
 
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Or books for that matter. Part of my sympathizes with the impulse to bury the book, but I think that is the wrong response.

Nazism, in the form he proposed, will not rise again. Nazism, Hitlerism, whatever you wish to call it didn't start with Hitler. His Germany was a culmination of many world events and ideas which are not in vogue today per say.

1. Versailles
2. Nietsche
3. Hegel
4. Wagner
5. Feuerbach
6. Marx
7. Bismarck
8. Luther
9. Darwin
10. Christianity
11. Malthus
12. Neopaganism

Few people today will read Mein Kampf and say "this man really has something." But people will read and consume other material that influenced Hitler and the nation that followed him.

So what do we do? Ban these books? Certainly not. Why? Evil ideas arise without books, and other evil ideas come from sources we may not expect as they are written. People will be convinced their ideas are new and unprecedented, that they can make the world over with their ideas when those ideas startlingly resemble those of the past.

No, we must take these books and evaluate them; find the core of the ideas and how they could be re expressed in our times. Recognizing the evil and critically reviewing it will preserve freedom.
This book should not be sold without a copy of Dietrich Boenhoffer's biography & works accompanying it. That will really give'm something to think about.
 

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That book should have been buried along with Adolf Hitler. The last thing this world needs is another generation exposed to the ideas of the demon that inhabited Hitler.

I personally believe that, as tensions rise in the Middle East, regardless if Israel is directly involved or not, Israel will be blamed by many when oil / gas prices soar out of control causing the cost living to rise dramatically.
Hmm... I'm not so sure that those ideas belong to Hitler. I also doubt that there is very much said in the book Mein Kampf that has not already been observed by sincere Christians throughout history. Of course - unlike Hitler - those sincere Christians didn't advocate doing harm against the Jews, because they believed the Word of God:

"Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord"

What I find to be very interesting though, is how Martin Luther warned that Christians were being "duped" into feeling guilty for the sufferings of the Jews. Sadly, he was right. In America today, many "Christians" have become so deceived and guilt-ridden, that they are quite pleased when their nation drops bombs on Muslim countries who oppose Israel. It's okay to hate Muslims in America, but totally unacceptable for anyone to hate a Jew. It's okay to invade foreign countries because they "may someday" become a threat to Israel.

The Jews have vehemently rejected Jesus Christ. They despise Christians and Christianity. The Jews are rebels against God because they have rejected the Messiah. Therefore they are under God's judgement and will be under His wrath until they turn from their wickedness. How "Christians" can desire to bless and defend a people who loathe Jesus Christ, is something that I simply cannot understand.
 
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Hmm... I'm not so sure that those ideas belong to Hitler. I also doubt that there is very much said in the book Mein Kampf that has not already been observed by sincere Christians throughout history. Of course - unlike Hitler - those sincere Christians didn't advocate doing harm against the Jews, because they believed the Word of God:

"Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord"

What I find to be very interesting though, is how Martin Luther warned that Christians were being "duped" into feeling guilty for the sufferings of the Jews. Sadly, he was right. In America today, many "Christians" have become so deceived and guilt-ridden, that they are quite pleased when their nation drops bombs on Muslim countries who oppose Israel. It's okay to hate Muslims in America, but totally unacceptable for anyone to hate a Jew. It's okay to invade foreign countries because they "may someday" become a threat to Israel.

The Jews have vehemently rejected Jesus Christ. They despise Christians and Christianity. The Jews are rebels against God because they have rejected the Messiah. Therefore they are under God's judgement and will be under His wrath until they turn from their wickedness. How "Christians" can desire to bless and defend a people who loathe Jesus Christ, is something that I simply cannot understand.

Another ammillennial I pressume?
 

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Did you that in Germany..it is illegal to display a nazi flag??
 
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Nazism, in the form he proposed, will not rise again.
I'm not so sure about that. There seems to be a growing trend teaching that the holocaust never happened. Not only that, many people don't necessarily see Hitler as being evil, but a great man. Not to mention that there is still a lot of antisemitism. And if you subscribe to the tribulation period, then you agree there is one who is coming that will be very evil, and will seek to eliminate the Christians in the same way Hitler seek to eliminate the Jews. And just like the antisemitism of that day, there is a lot of anti-Christian in this day.
 
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I'm not so sure about that. There seems to be a growing trend teaching that the holocaust never happened. Not only that, many people don't necessarily see Hitler as being evil, but a great man. Not to mention that there is still a lot of antisemitism. And if you subscribe to the tribulation period, then you agree there is one who is coming that will be very evil, and will seek to eliminate the Christians in the same way Hitler seek to eliminate the Jews. And just like the antisemitism of that day, there is a lot of anti-Christian in this day.
On the surface level, I do not disagree with you, but the roots of Nazism run deeper than just one book. I advise you to look at my previous post to see where I am getting at.

The antisemitism you are referring to is largely being led by radical Muslims who are, quite obviously, against the idea of an Aryan race taking control of earth.
 
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Your right that it runs deeper then the book. Their are a lot of circumstances back then, such as WWI not truly being over in the hearts of a many people, a great depression that was world-wide, a group if people who were disenchanted with their circumstances that they were ready to follow anyone who gave them hope, and a man with so much charisma, that many people followed him blindly, not really looking at his politics until it was to late. Currently we are in a conflict that has not settled on the hearts of people easily. And while the government wish to make it seem like our economy is picking up, it's not. Instead, it's plummeting rapidly. Yes, there are little pockets of areas that are seeing progress in the economy, but those are only pockets. And this depression is world-wide as we see nations on the brink of bankruptcy, including our own. Not only that, there are many people who are currently disenchanted not only with the government, but also with religion and with their cultures. They are ripe for someone who will take them further then any president has attempted.

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Interesting, but again it wouldn't be Nazism, but something else. It wouldn't make it any better or worse. I for one would rather live in Nazi Germany than say the USSR Lenin-Khrushchev.

I wonder if it will be more Huxleyan this go-around though.
 

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I've actually read it once and while I've got to say that, if you think for two seconds, the man was nuts his way of thinking and arguments were perfectly logical and well thought out. I nearly found myself believing it, so I realized how the German people were such easy pray to a mad man. You take some economic trouble, a dash of national embarrassment, and a sprinkle of long standing racial prejudice and poof, you have a brainwashed nation of people who hate Jews or anyone else that is different for that matter. Thankfully I did think for two seconds and realized how ridiculous the whole thing was. Complete and utter rubbish, the whole thing. I not one to support burning books, but for this one I'll make an exception. Every copy in existence should be burned along with the original manuscripts. It is nothing but pure hatred and evil.
 

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The antisemitism you are referring to is largely being led by radical Muslims who are, quite obviously, against the idea of an Aryan race taking control of earth.
First you are mixing your religion and racial relations up. The only race the Muslims hate are Jews. They don't care if the Aryans control earth as long as those Aryans are Muslim.
 

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Interesting, but again it wouldn't be Nazism, but something else. It wouldn't make it any better or worse. I for one would rather live in Nazi Germany than say the USSR Lenin-Khrushchev.

I wonder if it will be more Huxleyan this go-around though.
Says a person who has never lived through political purges, and secret police dragging your friends, family and neighbours off in the middle of the night, to face torture and forced confessions for things they are innocent of. A person who has never had the police throwing you in jail for voicing an opinion. There was really no difference between Fascism and communism.

And what on earth is Huxleyan?
 
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Says a person who has never lived through political purges, and secret police dragging your friends, family and neighbours off in the middle of the night, to face torture and forced confessions for things they are innocent of. A person who has never had the police throwing you in jail for voicing an opinion. There was really no difference between Fascism and communism.

And what on earth is Huxleyan?
1. You have no idea who I am. Perhaps I'm from some small eastern European republic.

2. The argument "you have not experienced x therefore you cannot have an opinion on x" is patently ridiculous. If that were true, I could not have an opinion on much of anything. Neither would you unless you have been a soldier, a fry cook, a botanist, a genetic engineer, a teacher, etc. That and it comes off as annoyingly moralist.

3. I am not making an argument in favor of living in Nazi Germany. Given the choice between Nazi Germany - Soviet Union - Spaceship Nostromo with Sigourney Weaver, I would pick the third. Given a choice between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany, I would pick Nazi Germany. If you would like to explain why, feel free to ask me why before taking me to the woodshed.

4. Huxleyan as in Aldous Huxley, the author of Brave New World.
 

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Its an interesting read. It gives you a better understanding of the mindset that the German population must have been in during that time. I think it is important to remember and understand the stains in history so we can learn how to avoid them.
 
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First you are mixing your religion and racial relations up. The only race the Muslims hate are Jews. They don't care if the Aryans control earth as long as those Aryans are Muslim.
I didn't notice this one earlier. Oh how the work of an internet debater is never done.

I am looking at the particulars of each ideology. Islamists have had flirtations with totalitarians of all stripes over the years, but Adolf Hitler's fundamental vision of the world was different from theirs. I'm fairly similar that neopaganistic darwinians who had state nude calendars made would not get along so well with those who support sharia.

Sure Islamism would yield similar results (millions deaths and the disappearance of freedom under the tread of a totalitarian zealots), but Islamism would not be equal to Nazism. Eliminate all influence of Mein Kampf and you would still have the same problems.

That and you will find that with certain streams of thought race and religion/fundamental ideals go hand in hand.