Concerns with reguarding to dogs/cats,that will be abandon after the pretrib rapture

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suriturbo

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This is a question I would like for the christians,who belive in the pretribulation rapture,to answer.Do you guys think that God disaprove of me being concern about my dog when I'am taken in the rapture?Iv'e always been a animal lover,especaily dogs and cats.I can't wait for the rapture to happen.I know we are clearly liveing in the last days.I aslo know the rapture can happen at any moment.I get this image in my head,when I and other christians who have dogs/cats.Gets taken in the rapture,our pets will be left without food or water.Basicly they will be abandon.I'am happy that I'am a born again christian,and as long as I stay following what the word of God tells us.I will be taken in the rapture.But I just feel worried and sad about my dog and other born again christian dogs/cats,being left abandon.It sure would be great if God was to allow,all born again christian dogs/cats to be taken in the rapture with us.But it seems like there are no born again christians who think that God will allow that to be.
 
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Ugly

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I think there will be a lot worse things going on to worry about. World wide car crashes, aircraft crashes, train crashes, bus crashes, etc... Not to mention the people who will commit suicide as their loved ones have disappeared or or just afraid of whats going on. And how many of these planes, cars, etc will hit buildings? Hundreds of thousands will likely die in the following minutes alone. Likely some people all over the world will be without power, perhaps food and other needs. Now i'm not saying its wrong to think of this stuff, but you have to put it in perspective that many humans will have it just as bad or worse than many animals.

On a side not, this section of the forum is more for new topics. Usually providing a link to an article to be discussed. Posting here tends to limit responses to the smaller number that reads it.
 
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suriturbo

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@Ugly. I'am aware of the things that you mention.But I'am looking at the fact that the human beings that are here on eath,before the pretribulation rapture,have a choice.They can choose to become a born again christian,which would allow them to be taken in the rapture.They have a choice to avoid all the horrible things that will happen after the rapture.There other option will be to reject the word of God.By them choosing to reject God,before the rapture.That choice they made will have them go through all the horrible things,that you mention.My sadness for the dogs/cats is because they can't make that choice.They are innocent.Yet they will be left without food/water.They will be abandon.Unlike humans.Dogs/cats don't have the option to reject God.Now,do you see were I'am coming from?And how can I move this topic,to the correct thread?
 

Katy-follower

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This has been on my mind also. Pets are a part of our family, so naturally we worry for their welfare.

Specific scriptures kept coming to my mind regarding this....

Psalm 37:4: "Delight yourself also in the Lord, And He shall give you the desires of your heart"

Matthew 7:11: "...how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask Him!"

John 14:14: " If you ask anything in My name, I will do it"



Animals are sinless, they are God's creatures and part of His plan for Heaven.

Think about this too.... when God decided to destroy the earth with a flood, He chose to save the animals as well as the people! Noah's Ark was representing salvation, judgement and faith and shows us of a future tribulation being just like those days, where the non believers suffer the wrath and the believers are safe. In the NT, Jesus said "I am the door".

God says His covenant with "all flesh" shall never be "cut off" - so this includes animals.



Link -->Do Pets Go to Heaven

Here is what I found on a website (Copy/Paste)...


The animals know God and worship Him , would He just forget them?
Some animals never had a good life here on earth,
but still knew and worshiped God.

Job 38:41 "Who provideth for the raven his food?
when his young ones cry unto God, they wander for lack of meat."



Rev 5:13 "And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honor, and glory, and power, [be] unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever."

Phil. 2:10-11 "that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,of things in heaven...and things in earth....and things under the earth...; adn that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
(There are other verses showing animals know and honor God)

I believe in heaven the Lord has a special place for them. And we know by Scripture that along with man animals don't just die and that's it.

Psalm 148:5-12 "Let them praise the name of the LORD: for he commanded, and they were created. He hath also established them for ever and ever: he hath made a decree which shall not pass. raise the LORD from the earth, ye dragons, and all deeps: Fire, and hail; snow, and vapor; stormy wind fulfilling his word: Mountains, and all hills; fruitful trees, and all cedars: Beasts, and all cattle; creeping things, and flying fowl: Kings of the earth, and all people; princes, and all judges of the earth: Both young men, and maidens; old men, and children: Let them praise the name of the LORD: for his name alone is excellent; his glory [is] above the earth and heaven."

Nehemiah 9:6 Psalm 36:6 Scofield notes on Romans 8:22 "Adam drew down into his ruin the old creation, of which he was lord and head. Christ will bring into moral unity with God,and into eternal life,all of the new creation of which He is Lord and Head (Eph.1:22-23) Even the animal and material creation,cursed for man's sake will be delivered by Christ(Romans 8:19-22) Romans 8:19-23

Do Animals have Souls?

Job 12:7-10 "But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee. Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the LORD hath wrought this? In whose hand [is] the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind."

Most of us have heard all our life that animals do not have souls. Yet the first chapter of Genesis indisputably contradicts that position. The Hebrew word for soul is nephish and refers to the part of our being which lives on after physical death. The first chapter of Genesis not only proves that animals have a soul, but it also proves that plant life does not!

Here are the verses:

Genesis 1:20 And God said, Let the waters swarm with swarmers {fish} having a living soul and let the birds fly over the earth, on the face of the expanse of the heavens.

Genesis 1:21 And God created the great sea animals and the creeping things all having a living soul...

Genesis 1:24 "And God said, Let the earth bring forth souls of life according to its kind, the cattle, the beasts of the field, and creeping things according to its kind.

Genesis 1:30 "To every animal of the earth, and to every bird of the heavens and to every creeping thing on the earth, in which is a living soul, every green plant is given for food."

In all four of the above verses the Hebrew word nephish is used which is the exact same word used of man in Genesis 2:7. Most modern translations give no hint that this is in fact the case, but most older King James bibles do give a footnote:

Hebrew, lit: soul for each of the above verses; iIt is this same "soul" which David refers to in Ps. 16:10 when he says: "You will not abandon my soul to sheol." {Sheol is the place for the souls of those who have physically died.}

Are there animals in heaven?

Rev. 19:11" I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. Is. 11: 6-8 The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, and the calf and the lion and the yearling together; and a little child will lead them. The cow will feed with the bear, their young will lie down together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox. The infant will play near the hole of the cobra, and the young child put his hand into the viper's nest." {We believe this refers to the millenium, but could also refer to the new heavens and new earth.} [Zech. 14:20]

Note: The passage from the Revelation shows that presently there are horses in heaven. The passages in Isaiah and Zechariah show that there will be animals in the millennium kingdom on earth. The present violence in the animal world is a result of the curse in the garden of Eden pronounced by God due to man's sin.

Rom. 8:19 -22 "The creation {this includes animals} waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God. We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time..."
 
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Katy-follower

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Psalm 36:6: "O Lord, You preserve man and beast"

Psalm 50:10-11: "For every beast of the forest is Mine, And the cattle on a thousand hills. I know all the birds of the mountains, And the wild beasts of the field are Mine"
- Anything that belongs to God must be special to Him.

Isaiah 43:20-21: "The beast of the field will honor Me, The jackals and the ostriches, Because I give waters in the wilderness And rivers in the desert, To give drink to My people, My chosen. This people I have formed for Myself; They shall declare My praise" - So animals are capable of knowing and loving God.
 
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suriturbo

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@Katy-follwer. It's comforting to know that I'am not the only christian,who cares about the welfare of animals.Sometimes I feel from other christians,that there is something wrong with me being a born again christian and at the same time careing about animals welfare.My sympathy for animals doesn't stop me from telling people about the word of God.And it doesn't stop me from being obedient to what God,commands christians to do.But the way that some people act,you would think it did.Thank you for all the information that you posted on this subject.I haven't read the link you posted yet,but I will check it out.