Born opposed to gay marriage? Science says yes?

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1still_waters

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Some "scientific" studies have linked the presence of faith/belief in God, with certain characteristics in the brain.

Brain Differences Found Between Believers In God And Non-believers


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http://www.equip.org/articles/does-religion-originate-in-the-brain/


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/20/god-spot-in-brain-is-not-_n_1440518.html

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/scienceonreligion/2012/04/god-spot-in-the-brain-more-like-god-spots/


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46793-2004Nov12.html


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In other words, people according to 'scientists' are naturally born with a belief in God. In other words, a person can't decide, according to scientists, if they want to believe in God or not.

Secularists, atheists, liberals, the 'intelligencia', they all claim their 100% allegiance and trust in 'science'.

So if you want to look at it from a certain angle, secularists/atheists/the intelligencia, must believe that people have no choice when it comes to belief in God. So it would follow that those opposed to gay marriage for purely 'religious reasons' were born that way. They can't help it! Right?

I have a certain tongue in cheek point to make here. So stick with me.

Our secularist/atheist friends want us to be tolerant and accepting of gay marriage, because their science 'proves' gay people were born that way and they had no choice.

Well if we have to be tolerant and accepting of them because they were 'born that way', doesn't it follow they MUST be tolerant and accepting of those opposed to gay marriage because of faith'religious.God reasons? I mean, we were just born that way right? Science seems to back it up. And if they're going to have 100% allegiance to 'science' then they have to accept that us religious folk were just ummm...born this way!

Kinda has tuh go both ways dun't it?


And again, this is said tongue in cheek to prove various points.
 
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djness

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Some people were born with their tongue in cheek, some have to position in there.
 
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Liz01

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This is so amazing......
 
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rainacorn

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1still_waters said:
Some "scientific" studies have linked the presence of faith/belief in God, with certain characteristics in the brain.

Brain Differences Found Between Believers In God And Non-believers

In other words, people according to 'scientists' are naturally born with a belief in God. In other words, a person can't decide, according to scientists, if they want to believe in God or not.

Secularists, atheists, liberals, the 'intelligencia', they all claim their 100% allegiance and trust in 'science'.

So if you want to look at it from a certain angle, secularists/atheists/the intelligencia, must believe that people have no choice when it comes to belief in God. So it would follow that those opposed to gay marriage for purely 'religious reasons' were born that way. They can't help it! Right?

I have a certain tongue in cheek point to make here. So stick with me.

Our secularist/atheist friends want us to be tolerant and accepting of gay marriage, because their science 'proves' gay people were born that way and they had no choice.

Well if we have to be tolerant and accepting of them because they were 'born that way', doesn't it follow they MUST be tolerant and accepting of those opposed to gay marriage because of faith'religious.God reasons? I mean, we were just born that way right? Science seems to back it up. And if they're going to have 100% allegiance to 'science' then they have to accept that us religious folk were just ummm...born this way!

Kinda has tuh go both ways dun't it?


And again, this is said tongue in cheek to prove various points.
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The article you linked didn't say any of that or anything even kind of like it.
 
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rainacorn

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More to the point, what that article actually says is that believers find it easy to turn a blind eye to their own mistakes and shortcomings.
 
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BananaPie

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Well, Yours Truely was definitely created to worship God and definitely born to love Jesus and born to believe all kinds of godly stuff like everything the Angles Gabriel and Michael had to say because ever since Yours Truely was 3 yrs old, she's been singing godly hymns and like, wanting godly stuff practically all her life.

...she just cannot help herself because it's all in the blood... :D
 
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rainacorn

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1still_waters said:
I put more links in the original article.
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Ahhh to be an admin and have more than a split second to change your mind lol

Anyway, great links you posted, but none of them say that we are born opposing gay marriage. I can understand how you might view that position as synonymous with belief in God, but it isn't... from this perspective, anyway.
 
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Haha, interesting. Liberals and Conservatives love using scientific determinism to slap each other. There is some truth in it, but a lot of it has the stuff of a slur.
 
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1still_waters

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rainacorn said:
Ahhh to be an admin and have more than a split second to change your mind lol

Anyway, great links you posted, but none of them say that we are born opposing gay marriage. I can understand how you might view that position as synonymous with belief in God, but it isn't... from this perspective, anyway.
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Pfft no minds were changed. Just added more resources.

And if brain biology determines faith or lack of faith, then it follows that views based off of faith are indeed things one is born with.
 
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Liz01

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It makes me think about predestination......but i think too if the chemicals of the brain are different since we born or maybe the chemicals of our brain change after we change our way of thing through bible......
 
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KnightdeKhristos

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Why did you lump secularists, atheists, and liberals together in one group?
 
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1still_waters

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KnightdeKhristos said:
So to which group do the Christian scientists/intellectuals belong?
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I haven't gotten that far in my galactic categorize everyone novella. I'll let you know when I get there. :p
 
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rainacorn

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1still_waters said:
Pfft no minds were changed. Just added more resources.

And if brain biology determines faith or lack of faith, then it follows that views based off of faith are indeed things one is born with.
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No, it doesn't follow at all.

There is a difference between a capacity for faith and adopting a belief system and the religious/cultural/social views that come with it.
 
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1still_waters

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rainacorn said:
No, it doesn't follow at all.

There is a difference between a capacity for faith and adopting a belief system and the religious/cultural/social views that come with it.
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If that capacity for faith stems from characteristics in the brain, then all that flows from that is indeed linked to the initial cause, ie brain biology. You can't separate the fruits from the initial cause.

That is if the scientists are right and we're speaking on their level;)
 
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violakat

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Rain,

In other words, if we are born to believe in God,then quite possibly we are also born to believe certain things, such a homosexuality is wrong, stealing is wrong, adultery is wrong, etc...
 
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rainacorn

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I think I understand the link that is trying to be made here, I just don't think the science supports it. I don't think common sense really supports it either.

The statement that we are born with the capacity and perhaps even proclivity for faith seems correct and that's what the science posted supports.

The statement that what you personally believe is therefore a genetic inheritance DOES NOT FOLLOW. Your capacity to believe it does. Your willingness to believe it does. But the specifics of those beliefs are completely irrelevant. A Muslim, a Hindu, a Christian, a Jew, a Buddhist, etc are all born with the exact same capacity...however what they believe is different.

The specifics of the belief system are passed down from generation to generation, but not genetically. At least there is nothing at all in any of the research posted that suggests such a thing.

You are not born thinking gay marriage is wrong. You are born with the capacity to believe in God. You learn about God through religion, both texts and teaching. You are willing to accept what you have learned as truth and therefore believe that gay marriage is wrong. But it is not the physiology that made you believe this, it's the physiology that made it POSSIBLE to believe this.
 
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