Real Christians.

[Chadtreme]

OK, So this is a Christian website. N everyone here says they r Christian. If we r Christian y r some of us going against what the Bible says? Real Christians go with the whole Bible. They don't pick things out of the Bible they like n follow those. N the ones they don't like they don't follow. Real Christians follow the whole Bible. The Bible is our sword. Yu ppl who say yu r Christian but want to only follow things yu like. God is watching. So, you can say you r Christian here on earth n fool us humans but yu will never fool my lord Jesus.

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

OK, So this is a Christian website. N everyone here says they r Christian. If we r Christian y r some of us going against what the Bible says? Real Christians go with the whole Bible. They don't pick things out of the Bible they like n follow those. N the ones they don't like they don't follow. Real Christians follow the whole Bible. The Bible is our sword. Yu ppl who say yu r Christian but want to only follow things yu like. God is watching. So, you can say you r Christian here on earth n fool us humans but yu will never fool my lord Jesus.

First of all, not everyone in here is a Christian. There are people here who are non-Christians but who are interested in Christianity, seeking information or enlightenment. But I get your point. So I'll move on.

Secondly, by whose authority do you say that "Real Christians go with the whole Bible"? Yes, I am familiar with the verse about Scripture being authoritative. But using the Bible as your authority for accepting the Bible as authority is circular reasoning. Furthermore, you need to explain what you mean by "Real" Christians, who gets to decide what kind of Christian is "real" and what kind isn't "real," and why and how they get to decide that? Because the last time I checked, God was the only person who had the right to do that. And if God died and put you in charge, I didn't get the memo.

Third question: which Bible? The Protestant version of the Bible, which is missing some books, or the Catholic Bible, which has extra material? And which version of the New Testament? There are thousands floating around you know, and they don't all agree with each other. In fact, there may be an "ouk" (Greek for "not") in one version that's missing in another. So you can't take both, because it's impossible to believe something and its opposite at the same time. A decision must be made at some point. Most Americans don't really make a choice. They just go with whatever translation or version they're given and assume it's good, without even questioning it ... but how can you be sure? The translation was made by a human, not by God, and is therefore not perfect, unlike Scripture which is from God and therefore is perfect.

Forth question: let's say you figure out which "version" or "translation" is the right one. Well, which interpretation are you supposed to use? Two devout, God-fearing, Jesus-loving, washed-in-the-blood Christians can read the same passage, pray about it, and get two totally different interpretations. Which one is correct, if they can't be reconciled? How do you decide? By what method to you pick one over another, if both interpretations are equally "spiritual"?

See, what you see as one person "rejecting" Scripture may be a case of them accepting Scripture differently from how you accept it. You are not God, and you may or may not have the right answer all of the time. I think it's important to remember that, while Scripture is indeed Holy, what we have is just a shadow of the Word of God. Jesus is the Living Word. We must take care not to worship the shadow, but to worship the Living God, Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior.

 

[Chadtreme]

Ill tell you the same thing Jesus said to the leading priest. By whose authority did john the Baptist baptized in?

 

[Moe]

I am a minister and I don't follow "THE WHOLE BIBLE" because I am not under the law. The Sabbath was never given to the Gentile, so, I worship on Sunday which is okay because of Romans 14:5. Now, do I believe that the Bible is the inspired Word of God, yes I do. Please, don't be to quick to judge other people.
I am sure that you don't take a sacrifice to Church with you.....Cheers

 

[tribesman]

OK, So this is a Christian website. N everyone here says they r Christian. If we r Christian y r some of us going against what the Bible says? Real Christians go with the whole Bible. They don't pick things out of the Bible they like n follow those. N the ones they don't like they don't follow. Real Christians follow the whole Bible. The Bible is our sword. Yu ppl who say yu r Christian but want to only follow things yu like. God is watching. So, you can say you r Christian here on earth n fool us humans but yu will never fool my lord Jesus.

Can you prove that your beliefs do NOT "go against the Bible" and that you do NOT pick and choose from the Bible, according to your own understanding ?

Or are you just here to look for faults in others?

Tell us who you are first, and what you believe and teach and how you interpret the essential parts of Bible doctrine, then you may criticize the beliefs of others.

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

Ill tell you the same thing Jesus said to the leading priest. By whose authority did john the Baptist baptized in?

Two problems with your answer:
(1) Jesus asked that to the priests because he knew they were trying to trap him into blaspheming. I am not trying to trap anyone into blaspheming. Merely offering readers an opportunity to consider new ideas.
(2) The priests were confounded, because no matter how they answered, they were stuck. But this question does not really relate to the question I asked you, so it is not a parallel situation.

To answer your question: John's Baptism was of water only, not of the Holy Spirit. His baptism was for the forgiveness of sins, but because it was not in the name of Jesus, it was not a Baptism into everlasting life, the kind of baptism we get when we are baptized in Jesus' name, with water AND with the Holy Spirit.

So, now that you have that answer, what does that have to do with what I asked? Nothing. You're still stuck needing to answer my questions, and no closer to an answer than you were before.

 

[tribesman]

I posted since I'm wary about this "we believe in ALLLLL of the Bible - only!" talk and then the next thing you know these same people outright deny what the Bible says (when it does not support THEIR views). There is too much of it and it is as harmful as the worst of bible criticism or liberalism or spiritualism. We need good interpretation and theology rather than enthusiasts.

 

[Chadtreme]

Im not trying to judge anyone. I'm just saying people who call themselves Christian couldn't pick and choose. If the.Bible says don't watch TV y go against it? Just because I want to watch TV. No ima follow what the Bible says to what I know so far. Like Moe.you said I'm sure yu don't take a sacrifice to church with you. Jesus is my sacrifice. So I don't have to bring a sacrifice. Because Jesus is my sacrifice.

And no I don't go against the Bible for what I know. But now since I read Romans 14 I know I went against the Bible and I'm not going to do it again.

 

[feedm3]

I posted since I'm wary about this "we believe in ALLLLL of the Bible - only!" talk and then the next thing you know these same people outright deny what the Bible says (when it does not support THEIR views). There is too much of it and it is as harmful as the worst of bible criticism or liberalism or spiritualism. We need good interpretation and theology rather than enthusiasts.

Dude you are the perfect example of one who "outright" denys with the Bible says when it does not fit your view".

Look at your stance on freewill, several people including me have showed you passages after passage that rejects your view, and every single argument you have brought up has been soundly proved wrong by scripture.

The natural man cannot accept God - Proved wrong by Eph 4, as they accepted him while living in sin fullifling the flesh (natural) lusts. Also it says the afteter they heard the "gospel of their salvation" - you refuse to look or deal with that.

NO freewill - Passages after passage showing we have freewill - Mat 25, Rom 1:16, John 3:16, you explain these with your natural view, the words no mean what the say, and therefore outright reject scripture.

One is not saved by works, if he does not do them he is not saved paradox argument - didn't deal with that.
You use logic to point out others error's, but when logic is against you, you simply throw it out the window.

So you need to look at yourself before you start condemning others for rejection of scripture, you are one of the worst ones here guilty of that.

 

[feedm3]

But using the Bible as your authority for accepting the Bible as authority is circular reasoning.

No it is not circular reasoning. because are reason tells us by creation their is a God.
Psa 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork

Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse

So we can see by Creation, evidence for a Creator, He has given us his word that tells us about Him, and tells us where to find authority. It is found by the word of God.

So those who speak the words of God - prophets (prophets are those who speak for God, not fore-tellers of the future as some define them)
So their was prophets given through out time to relay the word of God. In the days of the church, there were prophecies, special knowledge, and other gifts for understanding his will "TILL we all come to the unity of the faith" - i.e. The bible. I Cor 13:10 tells us these gifts would cease with that which is perfect comes, well if we look to see what "That (neuter form, not masculine, cannot be Christ)which is perfect" we see it is the word of God = Col 1:28, II Tim 3:15, Eph 4:13.

So we see also from Hebrews 1:1, Prophets are what God used "in times past" to relay his message but now speaks to us through Christ his son.

So to take the evidence of creation, and to examine a book that tells us were the authority lies in itself, is not circular reasoning. It no different than reading the constitution, believing it to be valid, and reading how itself has the authority over men, even though the men who wrote it are dead, it tells us itself, it should not be changed and is a crime to do so (even though many are doing it anyway).

We have a country - America, we see it's existence, we have a document, that is supposed to rule it, we read it, and accept it as the authority. We have a people Christians, a church made up of Christians, and a written document we accept as the authority of the church, because it says it is and there is evidence as to why it is to be the authority.

If no Bible, and still prophets, then the authority would lie with them, but the authority is the word of God, in whatever form it's in. Since the word of God explains how it came into being, (by the HS filling men so they could remember everything Jesus said and did, and write it later Jn 14-16) we accept that as truth.

 

[tribesman]

Im not trying to judge anyone. I'm just saying people who call themselves Christian couldn't pick and choose. If the.Bible says don't watch TV y go against it? Just because I want to watch TV. No ima follow what the Bible says to what I know so far. Like Moe.you said I'm sure yu don't take a sacrifice to church with you. Jesus is my sacrifice. So I don't have to bring a sacrifice. Because Jesus is my sacrifice.

And no I don't go against the Bible for what I know. But now since I read Romans 14 I know I went against the Bible and I'm not going to do it again.

Where does the Bible says "don't watch TV"?

So far you have not proven to be any different from those you criticize.

 

[Chadtreme]

Where does the Bible says "don't watch TV"?

So far you have not proven to be any different from those you criticize.

I was using it as an example.

 

[Chadtreme]

Where does the Bible says "don't watch TV"?

So far you have not proven to be any different from those you criticize.

N I do prove different. Because I don't deny what the Bible says like they do.

 

[tribesman]

I was using it as an example.

Well, it is obviously your belief: God does not like that men watch TV. Since you've said you only "follow the whole Bible"; where's your scripture/s for that and others of your beliefs? It seems to me you are just teaching your own likes/dislikes so far.

 

[tribesman]

N I do prove different. Because I don't deny what the Bible says like they do.

If you cannot prove that the Bible says "do not watch TV" you are adding to scripture. That is no way better than those who take away from (deny) the Bible. And if you have posted this thread to just show that you are better than others then you are miserable.

 

[feedm3]

He said "IF the bible said dont watch TV....." IF IF IF that means he is not saying that's what it says. It is called an example, you are intelligent enough to see that. So this would be called a straw man argument, because you are trying to make it seem as if he actually trying to convince anyone the Bible tells us not to watch TV
Man...lighten up.

 

[Chadtreme]

If you cannot prove that the Bible says "do not watch TV" you are adding to scripture. That is no way better than those who take away from (deny) the Bible. And if you have posted this thread to just show that you are better than others then you are miserable.

I am not adding to the Scripture. It was merely an example. I never said the Bible said that. N no I didn't make this post to show I'm better then others. I'm not Christ , I sin just as you do. N we sin just as mosses n the other Bible men did.

 

[tribesman]

I am not adding to the Scripture. It was merely an example. I never said the Bible said that. N no I didn't make this post to show I'm better then others. I'm not Christ , I sin just as you do. N we sin just as mosses n the other Bible men did.

Well, you do make things a little crooked when they are just straight. Why take an example such as "If the.Bible says don't watch TV..." when it is not even in the Bible? Why not take an example that is directly from the Bible, such as the ten commandments. That would make more sense.

But a little hopeful to hear that you realize you are not Christ.

 

[feedm3]

Chadteme,
this guy just likes to try bully people with his never ending nonsensical questions, just listen close to everything he says, and then it wont be long before he says something that is so out of line with scripture or contradicting, then all you have to do is expose it, ask him to explain it, and he will run faster than gump.

No one here thought that you felt you were Christ. Thats what I mean.

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

I was using it as an example.

N I do prove different. Because I don't deny what the Bible says like they do.

Why don't you show us an example of something that actually is in the Bible, rather than trying to write your own Bible as "an example" that doesn't even make any sense?