Florida Church Bans Children to "Protect" Pastor Registered as Child Sex Offender

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Shyness said:
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A convicted sex offender should have no business being a pastor to any church. This is shameful this church allowed him to be a pastor and turned away children just to cater to a convicted pedophile.
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Honestly..i believe God is the God of second chances..look at King David..look at Moses..look at Peter..etc.
He could still be a pastor maybe work in the prisons..pray for convicts..help men in mens ministries..he may just have to go at pastoring another way..i do not think all is lost when we mess up..do stupid things. But according to the law yes, it may be expedient he does not pastor a 'church' of course not all sex offenders abuse child/have abused children either..
so..its a wierd rule in my honest opinion and it's sad that many will not forgive the sex offender/ex convict and choose to remind him/her daily of mistakes that Jesus has long forgiven.
Heaven forbid anyone should need any grace..
 
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rauleetoe said:
Honestly..i believe God is the God of second chances..look at King David..look at Moses..look at Peter..etc.
He could still be a pastor maybe work in the prisons..pray for convicts..help men in mens ministries..he may just have to go at pastoring another way..i do not think all is lost when we mess up..do stupid things. But according to the law yes, it may be expedient he does not pastor a 'church' of course not all sex offenders abuse child/have abused children either..
so..its a wierd rule in my honest opinion and it's sad that many will not forgive the sex offender/ex convict and choose to remind him/her daily of mistakes that Jesus has long forgiven.
Heaven forbid anyone should need any grace..
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I do believe that God will forgive him but to require parents to hire a sitter so they can attend church would be immoral in my book. I do believe children should be welcomed into the church to hear the gospel rather than having a convicted pedophile preach. You're right that this person can minister in another way that does not involve being around children and minors.
 
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I do believe that God will forgive him but to require parents to hire a sitter so they can attend church would be immoral in my book. I do believe children should be welcomed into the church to hear the gospel rather than having a convicted pedophile preach. You're right that this person can minister in another way that does not involve being around children and minors.
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If he is a registered child sex offender..he may not legally be permitted to have any access to any and all children. I know this because an old accuaintance of mine was a registered sex offender..he had to register everywhere he went..his neighbors knew..he had an anklet on him at all times to be tracked. His whole life changed..it really sucked, i felt bad for him. I understand people make mistakes but we who follow Jesus or claim to ought to be a little compassionate.
So, back to the him being a pastor..if the parents knew their pastor couldn't have kids around them..that's their choice..if they don't like it..find another pastor..you knew this going into the church..then abide by the rules/or just find another pastor.
Honestly, if i was the pastor..i'd probably just stick to prisons..and men/adults..just saying.
 
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rauleetoe said:
If he is a registered child sex offender..he may not legally be permitted to have any access to any and all children. I know this because an old accuaintance of mine was a registered sex offender..he had to register everywhere he went..his neighbors knew..he had an anklet on him at all times to be tracked. His whole life changed..it really sucked, i felt bad for him. I understand people make mistakes but we who follow Jesus or claim to ought to be a little compassionate.
So, back to the him being a pastor..if the parents knew their pastor couldn't have kids around them..that's their choice..if they don't like it..find another pastor..you knew this going into the church..then abide by the rules/or just find another pastor.
Honestly, if i was the pastor..i'd probably just stick to prisons..and men/adults..just saying.
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I know he cannot be around anyone under 18 The church did have the choice on whether to ban children and minors or not to ban them but if the church chose not to ban children, then they would not be allowed to hire this pastor and would be forced to find a new pastor. Yes, God can forgive him but that would not undo the harm and get rid of the scars that he put his victims through. His victims are scared for life and he deserves to be punished for his crime. I feel sorry for his victims. These scars are permanent.
 
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Someone already posted about this or a similar issue.

I am all for redemption and forgiveness, but it hardly fits the "let the little children come to me" model laid down by Christ.
 
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Ond thing as far as I research, he never even showed any remorse to his victims for the harm he did to them. If I lived next to that church, I would be frightened since it may be likely that he would re-offend. He is definitely a danger to society.
 
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Ond thing as far as I research, he never even showed any remorse to his victims for the harm he did to them. If I lived next to that church, I would be frightened since it may be likely that he would re-offend. He is definitely a danger to society.
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Well, jails need ministers too.
 
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If you look through the threads in this forum, this article or at least another one on this subject was posted not too long ago. This Pastor is still either on probation or parole in order for the prohibition from contact with minors to be in effect, in other words the crimes are recent. Although I do know that people who have been convicted of this type of crime can change, his track record is against him since there are other accusations of impropriety against him involving adult women going back to his first church.

 
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Those people who call for 'second chances' for child molesters, would they be willing to let the little girls in their life that they love spend time alone/or with said offender, just so they can have their 'second chance'?

We can forgive these folks, we can view them as forgiven, but it doesn't mean we throw wisdom out the door, and put our kids at risk, just so a convicted sexual molester can have a 'second chance'. The safety of our children trumps any second chances sexual molesters are entitled to.
 
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What did you all think is going to happen in the end times ? satan is going to come out and say oooo !! i'm so sorry all is forgiven ??

not a change - he is making sure the "FAMILY" is being attacked - the family - dad mom and the kids
the family - of Christ - church and church leaders

The time is here where each Christ follower must stand his/her ground. Say Yes for Christ or Yes for the world.

If a pastor is making himself guilty he needs to repent - sort his own life out - and for all purposes stay away from what made him fall. But that is for him and God to work out. Not for us. We can't judge.

We need to follow Jesus !! That's all - with every breath and every beat of our heart. - this discussion is to take our focus away from what Jesus wants.
 
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1 Timothy 3:2
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2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach;
 
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rauleetoe said:
Honestly..i believe God is the God of second chances..look at King David..look at Moses..look at Peter..etc.
He could still be a pastor maybe work in the prisons..pray for convicts..help men in mens ministries..he may just have to go at pastoring another way..i do not think all is lost when we mess up..do stupid things. But according to the law yes, it may be expedient he does not pastor a 'church' of course not all sex offenders abuse child/have abused children either..
so..its a wierd rule in my honest opinion and it's sad that many will not forgive the sex offender/ex convict and choose to remind him/her daily of mistakes that Jesus has long forgiven.
Heaven forbid anyone should need any grace..
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God forgives, but doesn't remove the consequences of our sin and rebellion. I wholeheartedly agree with the previous post that includes the scripture reference about requirements for church leadership. It may be a possibility that he can minister to other convicted criminals, but I can't imagine any other circumstance where he should be allowed to continue leading and teaching.


There's a need for serious accountability in whatever congregation he attends, and if he does minister in prisons, he would need to show true repentance and eventually some spiritual growth before he be allowed to teach. These are just basic common sense guidelines that can be done in love.


~Marcella
 
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So, back to the him being a pastor..if the parents knew their pastor couldn't have kids around them..that's their choice..if they don't like it..find another pastor..you knew this going into the church..then abide by the rules/or just find another pastor.
Honestly, if i was the pastor..i'd probably just stick to prisons..and men/adults..just saying.
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Well, these people were already established members of the church when the leaders decided to, without the approval of the church parishoners, bring in this sex offender. This isn't a matter of people coming into a church knowing this ahead of time, this is a matter of it being pushed on people without their input. So what about those people? They never got a choice.
 
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1still_waters said:
Those people who call for 'second chances' for child molesters, would they be willing to let the little girls in their life that they love spend time alone/or with said offender, just so they can have their 'second chance'?

We can forgive these folks, we can view them as forgiven, but it doesn't mean we throw wisdom out the door, and put our kids at risk, just so a convicted sexual molester can have a 'second chance'. The safety of our children trumps any second chances sexual molesters are entitled to.
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Precisely. I've always thought there's a difference between forgiveness and trust. Forgiveness we give freely, because we ourselves have been forgiven so much.
But trust is earned. And I've actually used this sort of scenario in explanation:
we welcome the convicted sex-offender to our church, but we do not ask him to work in the nursery or a Sunday School class. (Or to lead the flock.) Just for the reasons there are kiddos around, and because it isn't scriptural. And wouldn't that be tempting the poor man? Our Lord taught us to ask our Father not to lead us into temptation...
~el
 
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THIS THEN IS NOT A CHURCH WHERE A FAMILY CAN GO AND WORSHIP TOGETHER. "RAISE UP A CHILD IN THE FEAR OF THE LORD, AND HE SHALL NOT DEPART" NOT GONNA HAPPEN HERE. PEOPLE MAKE HUGE ETERTAINMENT CENTERS WITH HUGE TVS. NOTHING WRONGE WITH IT, WOULDN'T MIND ONE, BUT LETS TURN OUR HOMES INTO A CHURCH AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK TOO. TO WORSHIP TOGETHER, SING, AND PRAY. THIS IS CHURCH, BRING OUT THE BREAD OF LIFE AND LETS GET FULL.
 
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