Why I Didn’t Eat at Chick Fil A Today by CAROLE CHAPUT on AUGUST 2, 2012

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Jullianna

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I forgot to mention that I spent much of yesterday reviewing legislation in my state regarding the impact of homosexuality on landowner rights. Cities and towns in my state have been informed that if they do not adopt this legislation within a certain time period, they will not be entitled to receive funds via federal grants. If that doesn't qualify as bullying/blackmail, I don't know what would. In the meantime, entities that conduct business regarding matters condemned by scripture receive federal tax dollars from christian individuals who don't like it, but render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's.

We should not be surprised by these things, as Jesus warned us of evil times to come. But, it is important now more than ever to recognize these things for what they are and the desired result thereof. Once we get it, it ignites our passion to do as Abraham did and share the love of God with as many who will come before the downfall of the U.S. of Sodom and Gomorrah.

We must not allow ourselves to be intimidated by the mockers and scoffers. They did the same thing to Noah, remember? God bless :)
 
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Daniel94

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I agree, Lil Christian. Clearly a lot of people are unaware of the proposed "hate crimes" legislation and the agenda to silence christians.

The issue is not as simple as someone disagreeing or speaking against an opposing viewpoint. I can respect that. The issue is attempting to bully and attack others because of their viewpoints to the point that certain city leaders make public recorded statements that certain businesses who have CEOs who speak their minds regarding matters of faith will not be welcome in their cities. If that's not an attack on free speech, I don't know what is.
I want to start by saying that I am aware of "hate crimes" toward Christians, but last I checked we live in a democracy meaning we vote for our leaders. As people of this country all we can do is hope that we get a leader with our beliefs and ideals and then that will never happen because all politicians are liars! I know that sounds biased, but how many actually do EVERYTHING they say they will do and how many hold true to those beliefs and ideals they say they have? This works on any level of government too not just national. Honestly though if Chick-fil-A is going to be the target of "hate crimes" because of their beliefs I don't think I would want to be in a city like that anyways.

Now let me turn the situation around. This is an extreme, but I still want to know your answer. Let's say a gay bar wants to open up in your city. Are you going to be happy with it? Uh..no and don't act like you would be. Let's even go out on a limb and say that the city leaders are hardcore Christians. Do you think they would allow this company into their city? No they wouldn't. They would ban that bar from opening in their city.

Honestly any situation you look at has two sides. People need to stop being victims and grow up already. My goodness we are suppose to be Children of God. I know someone is probably going to try turning this against me by saying that yes we are and we need to defend God's word. However, you need to learn to pick and choose the battles. Look at it this way too we may lose a couple battles, but in the end we will definitely win the war!
 
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HelpNautilus

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Most decent sized cities have multiple gay bars already Daniel, your example isn't very extreme I know we have 3-4 here depending on what night of the week it is
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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Bekah, your opening post brought tears to my eyes. I believe you are a prophetess of God; you have a gift for reminding people about God's love, his message of grace and forgiveness rather than human judgment.

I have only one teeny tiny comment to your opening post, and I really mean it as no criticism to you or your post, just a point of clarification, so that you know for future reference: not all people who disagree with Dan's view -- and the predominant view among Evangelicals -- concerning gay marriage -- are "Anti-Christian Liberals."

There are many, many liberals who do not hate Christians or Christianity. I would venture a guess and bet that MOST liberals, in fact, do not have any particular agenda "against" Christians, have no particular desire to see churches fail, and would be perfectly fine to leave Christians alone to believe as we believe, so that they can believe as they do. In fact, you may not know this, but a good portion of Christians self-identify as liberal politically (and vice-versa), believe in Jesus, turn to Him as their personal Lord and Savior, and tend to side more with the left on some issues (probably not all, but many). The fact that our current president, and in fact every Democratic president we've had in this nation, has been a Christian, should be a clue that not everyone who is in favor of gay rights is "anti-Christian." Just as I know that not all Christians "hate gays."

Again, I LOVE LOVE LOVED your post, really. Very moving. I wanted to remind you that you do have allies among the liberals; we are not all your enemies. We love Jesus as much as you do, and often we fight against secularism as adamantly as you do.

Feel free to respond in this thread, or Private Message me if you prefer, if you want to discuss this matter more, or have any questions for me about what it means to be both devoutly Christian and also politically liberal. In the mean time, I will be praying that God continue to grow in you, that his Spirit will continue to shine on you, that you share this wonderful gift of love and bringing people together. I pray this in Jesus' name.
 
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First, I didn't participate in the activities simply because the town I live in doesn't have a CFA. While I have absolutely no problem with Christians supporting CFA, what I do have a problem with are all the professing "Christians" who are using this as means to improve their own image by jumping on the CFA bandwagon. Social media has been overrun with pictures and "testimonies" bragging about how long they suffered standing in line to get a sandwich. Yet, if you were to ask these same people to volunteer the same amount of time each month at a homeless shelter, soup kitchen or an old folks home, they would pitch a fit that they don't have the time, money or energy.
How do you know?
Did you ask each one of them what they do, or are you the only volunteer/giver in the USA?
 
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Daniel94

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Most decent sized cities have multiple gay bars already Daniel, your example isn't very extreme I know we have 3-4 here depending on what night of the week it is
By extreme I meant a gay bar wanting to open in a hardcore Christian area or even in an area where being gay is strongly opposed. The idea seems unreasonable. In no way did I mean that a gay bar wanting to open up in a city is an extreme. Also it doesn't even have to be a gay bar. How about another fast food place that makes a statement it supports gay marriage wanting to move into a city that is predominantly Christian with Christian leaders. They would more and likely ban that restaurant. All I am trying to say is the argument seems very one-sided.

The fact that our current president, and in fact every Democratic president we've had in this nation, has been a Christian, should be a clue that not everyone who is in favor of gay rights is "anti-Christian."
As for every president we have had being Christians I am not so sure about that. Just cause they claimed to be Christians does not make them Christians. Actions speak louder than words. I am not trying to argue or offend you so please don't take it the wrong way.
 

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Most of the people who attended were advocates of free speech. Even if you did not believe what the president of Chick-A-Fila had to say, there was no need to come against his company for his comments. It's a free country, people can say whatever they want. That's way many showed up. Others believed it was making a stance against homosexuality. No matter what side you were on, it was quite an enjoyable experience. The people who showed up to "rally" were very nice as well. Even with the crowds backed up down the entire highway everyone showed Christian character and there was no beeping and yelling as you see at rush hour.

That being said...



Oh and the slightly off-topic the USA president being a christian, some thoughts to ponder -
7 Reasons - Reason #1
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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Most of the people who attended were advocates of free speech.
Oh, please.

Yes, he has the right to say he doesn't like gays.

And I have the right to say I disagree with him.

Why is my right to disagree with him somehow "persecution of Christian Values," whereas his right to speak his mind is "free speech"?

And, for the record, I am equally harsh on the left-wingers who said that he was a "homophobe" or "gay-hating" just for stating his views.

Freedom of speech does not include freedom from the repercussions of what you say. I have the right to call someone the "N" word. I don't have the right to complain about being labeled a racist for doing so.

If you don't want people to take you to task for your views, then don't express them. Simple as that. I promise you, no matter what you believe, somebody somewhere is going to disagree with you. You can sit in the corner and cry and whine and say it's not fair that someone disagrees with you, or you can be a grown-up and move on. And this is directed at BOTH sides of this particular argument.
 
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Jullianna

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I think we can see examples even in this thread of the use of some of the intimidation tactics I was referring to earlier. Rather than stick to the topic at hand in a respectful manner, some people will try to drag these types of conversations down to a more personal level, ask questions and then, rather than give someone an opportunity to respond, they put words into that person's mouth and answer for them...even total strangers. This causes a severe breakdown in communication and is highly counterproductive.

This appears to be what happened to the CEO as well, so I'm really glad that at least some of the national new programs had the class to broadcast what he actually said in context. The segment on Brian William's show in particular was very well done. They simply let the actual conversation play out and didn't attempt to infuse commentary thereon. Very cool.
 
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I think we can see examples even in this thread of the use of some of the intimidation tactics I was referring to earlier.
Is that so? How do you know? Hmmmm.

Nevermind, I'll answer for you. It is because are simply a busy body who is trying to slam all the trolls in an an aggressive and un-Christ-like manner.

This causes a severe breakdown in communication and is highly counterproductive.
Uhh no, Jullianna. Maybe you are just mistaking progress for destruction.

Let me a ask you a question: Who made you the judge of what is and is not productive?

*Holds hand up*

Hold it, I'll bet I know the answer, it is because you think you are some sort of earthly goddess of communication and productivity.

Yep! That's it. That's it. mmmmhmmmm.
 
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Daniel94

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Rather than stick to the topic at hand in a respectful manner, some people will try to drag these types of conversations down to a more personal level, ask questions and then, rather than give someone an opportunity to respond, they put words into that person's mouth and answer for them...even total strangers.
I am not totally sure who exactly you are directing this to, but if it is to anything I have said then I really don't care. If I bring a question to the table do I not have the right to say how I think it will be answered? Where is my free speech? That is what this discussion is about now so do I not get to answer my own questions? Anyways if I answer something for someone why don't they just say my answer is wrong, if it is? They can respond to my questions at any time no one is stopping them from it.

As for this being brought down to a personal level I think that happened before this topic even came around. Who are we to get offended for the man? If he was offended and felt his free speech was being infringed on I don't think he would just sit around and wait for the public to do something about it, but I may be wrong.
 
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Crossfire

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How do you know?
Did you ask each one of them what they do, or are you the only volunteer/giver in the USA?
I'm flattered that you feel the need to follow me around the forums and respond to my posts in a critical fashion. :)

Anyways, to answer your question, last year I pulled my membership from a church because many of it's members seem to value their christian "image" more than actually being right with God and getting right with people. I'm still connected to some of these people through social media. Some didn't go to CFA to support a cause, they went to look good in front of their peers.
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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Anyways, to answer your question, last year I pulled my membership from a church because many of it's members seem to value their christian "image" more than actually being right with God and getting right with people. I'm still connected to some of these people through social media. Some didn't go to CFA to support a cause, they went to look good in front of their peers.
I had initially looked up some numbers, to see if we could actually, mathematically / scientifically "prove" what percentage of people standing in lines at CFAs also volunteered. However, since CFA (according to their website) will not be releasing their sales numbers and stats for that day, there's really no way to check.

I know that personal experience is no proof. I can also attest, however, that I have worked side-by-side with many people who volunteer at soup kitchens and homeless shelters. In my experience, most of them are not the kinds of people who would have stood in line at a CFA last week. Some support gay marriage rights, but even among those who don't, they're too busy volunteering at soup kitchens and homeless shelters to waste time standing in line to support a man who obviously has enough money to eat and has a place to live.

Not that there's anything wrong with standing in line at a CFA to show your support of the CEO's political views. I am not one to judge. I just want to support Crossfire's statement, and say he's probably right.
 
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Jullianna

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Is that so? How do you know? Hmmmm.

Nevermind, I'll answer for you. It is because are simply a busy body who is trying to slam all the trolls in an an aggressive and un-Christ-like manner.



Uhh no, Jullianna. Maybe you are just mistaking progress for destruction.

Let me a ask you a question: Who made you the judge of what is and is not productive?

*Holds hand up*

Hold it, I'll bet I know the answer, it is because you think you are some sort of earthly goddess of communication and productivity.

Yep! That's it. That's it. mmmmhmmmm.
LOLOLOL! I love you, Ritter! You can be my Prince :)
 
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Jullianna

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P.S. - Ritter, this is more adorable if you stomp your feet, jump up and down, and hold your breath til you turn blue. But, overall, I think you stuck the landing. :D

So...how's that DeLorean coming? I'm waiting you know. ;)
 
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The only reason I disagree with you is I believe Christians need to start standing up. We need to TRY to install Morals back in America. Well I take that back We need to just let others know it is people like them out there. That America is not as far gone as the media would like for you to believe. See the only thing media can do when Christian come out is not report it.
I believe Christian need to do so much good stuff that we just black out the media until it’s nothing to report.
 

Nautilus

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The only reason I disagree with you is I believe Christians need to start standing up. We need to TRY to install Morals back in America. Well I take that back We need to just let others know it is people like them out there. That America is not as far gone as the media would like for you to believe. See the only thing media can do when Christian come out is not report it.
I believe Christian need to do so much good stuff that we just black out the media until it’s nothing to report.
I agree to a point except that America doesn't want the morals and they certainly wont let people force morals on them.
 
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That's what the crowds for Chick-fil-a is showing you. America Does want those values
 

lil_christian

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Oh, please.

Yes, he has the right to say he doesn't like gays.

And I have the right to say I disagree with him.

Why is my right to disagree with him somehow "persecution of Christian Values," whereas his right to speak his mind is "free speech"?
Now wait a second. He didn't say he doesn't like gays. He just said he didn't support them marrying! *sigh*

And it's not.

It was starting to affect his business. Chick-Fil-A was gonna open in Boston, and because of his views, they're forbidding it!

They're acting like he had no right to say it.

Well, they asked. They got an answer. What did they EXPECT out of a VERY strong Christian?

And as I said earlier. They weren't just going after him. They were also going after Christianity itself.

What would happen if we DID just say, "Poor guy...oh well...?"
 

Nautilus

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That's what the crowds for Chick-fil-a is showing you. America Does want those values
PArt of america does, its not like an overwhelming majority of people went to chick fila a that day nationwide. Thevast majority of people i know roughly 90% while not actually there protesting have all decided to not visit chick-fil-a again. And I support that, they are currently trying to remove chick-fil-a from my old college campus.
I most admit though I like how everyone thinks this is about freedom of speech. Most of the anger tdid not come from his comments, but that people found out the corporation itself was donating to anti-gay organizations openly fightiing against gay rights. So when conservatives get all huffy that there money goes towards birth control and abortions against their will, the same goes for liberals when our money is spent on values we disagree with. We simply decide to stop supporting chick-fil-a. Sure some people went too far and wasted time protesting and what not but most have just decided to spend our dollars elsewhere.
I mean this isn't exactly a christian nation and nor should it be, because theocracies are inherently flawed governmental systems. This country was founded on freedom, and using your religion to stop someone elses freedom is why we started this country in the first place, so it looks like some people need to step back and rethink why they stand for what they stand for. Homosexuality is a sin in the bible, but so are lots of other things. Most people ignore the majority of them. If thats how they choose to live who are we to force them to conform? Everyone faces the same judgement in the end.