Designer Babies - Playiong God in the Womb

[A-Omega]

A team of scientists at the University of Washing have developed a method to predict the entire genetic of a fetus just by taking a small blood sample from the mother and saliva from the father. They believe that the test will be able to screen for 3,500 genetic disorders allowing expecting parents to know their babies future appearance, size, health and even future diseases such as Alzheimer’s. While this technology can assist in detecting potentially fatal disorders, it also opens the door for parents to start altering the DNA of their child to obtain the “perfect” baby of their choice. Once again man is falling for Satan’s original deception by attempting to take the place of God and the results could be disastrous.

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[Nautilus]

using it as an early indicator of genetic disorders is probably a good thing, especially if they are major disorders. It might help parents make decisions like adoption if they know they wouldnt be able to handle such a thing.

 

[Daniel94]

I may be wrong, but as a Christian I don't think we should be deciding anything about our children. It would be good in a way to help with disorders and such, but correct me if I am wrong God does say that He will not give us more than we can handle. If this means we will have a child whom will one day be diagnosed with a disorder then so be it. I personally wouldn't even trust this system. Call me a skeptic, but look at all the disorders on drugs nowadays. Can a "perfect person" be created? Only God can create a perfect person and man needs to stay away before something goes wrong.

Which this brings me to a somewhat personal story related to this....

I can't believe what I heard my Aunt say yesterday. I am not sure what the disorder she has is called, but it affects your muscles or something like that. Anyways she has three kids and her last child who is only a few months older than me was diagnosed with the same disorder. She told my mother that if she could that she probably would not have had my cousin. I was absolutely appalled at this. Like I said I am not sure what they have, but I don't think it is life threatening or anything of that severity. Call me a little selfish, but my cousin was one of my best friends growing up. I don't know how I would have fared without him as a friend. Like I have previously said we are not given more than we can handle and to question something like this really got to me. My Aunt was raised in a Christian family, although I am not sure how well she is still holding onto this faith cause I don't really visit her that much cause I am awkward around adults(especially family).

 

[Faithseeker87]

children are born to supersede their parents.
it scales up from everydays families to mankind and god.
if i didn't want my children to supersede myself then i couldn't call myself a good father.

so daniel, if she said she wouldn't want to have your cousin if she knew, think about how severe this disorder is or may become. it surely is severe enough to abort the child for the love of it.
im sure you made some experiences you wouldn't want to pass onto others, right ? same for your aunt. everyone wants the best for their kids/loved ones so letting this madness of a disease continue in your child might not be a good idea.


however, until your cousin will have serious difficulties with this disorder or illness, medicine will surely have a cure for it.
science is quite far actually, who would have known ?

 

[Daniel94]

it surely is severe enough to abort the child for the love of it.

I basically agree with you on everything except the above statement.

If you are saying it would have been okay for her to have had an abortion then I have a problem with that, but before I make anymore comments or remarks regarding this I want to confirm that is what you are saying.

 

[Faithseeker87]

i wont jump on you when you misinterpret my sentences in any way, go ahead.
but for this exclusive matter then yes, thats what i meant so say

 

[Daniel94]

Okay well I have a major problem with abortion. I see it as wrong. I mean honestly to take the life away from an unborn baby seems irrational. I can not stand it when I see people claiming "Women's Rights" for abortions. What about the babies rights? Who is speaking for that unborn child? The mother is suppose to, but someone needs to step in when that mother wants to rid herself of a child for the simple reason that she doesn't want one. This has nothing to do with the fact of me being Christian either. If I weren't Christian I would still be against abortions. I know this isn't the thread to talk about this, but since you mentioned it I thought it would be okay to express my feelings on the topic.

 

[Faithseeker87]

How are you going to align rights to a being not conscious ?
Just for the record: puppies a mentally more advanced than a 3 year old child. If you want rights for someone who isn't even born then you will have to do the same to atleast most of the planets species.

But anyway, the women's right to abort should be totally legal since you have to think:
"What is best for everyone?" -if that baby wasn't intended because the mother/father/parents altogether don't have enough money/don't have the time because of the job etc. then you shouldn't force it or else everyone is coming out with a big minus in life quality.

If I can not provide the conditions which i deem as optimal for my child then what's the point ?
So if you value unborn life so much then you better don't mess up along its further development.
The trend is see with you and people who share the same opinion as you on this particular matter is to care for, even force the development of unborn childs or "just born" childs (which are not wanted) into unstable conditions. After the kid is born, many antiabortion activists abandon the ship, leaving the fresh baked family to the gusto of society and this is a big problem

 

[Daniel94]

I love how you compare the life of a human to a dog or any other species on this planet. If you think you are comparable to a dog that is okay, but please don't compare me to a dog.

Also the problem is not the fact of the parents not being able to afford the child it is the fact that they are having unprotected sex. How about those two keep their pants on and hands off of each other until they can afford to have kids? How about the man go get a vasectomy or the woman get a hysterectomy, although they say it is easier for man. If they will approve you you can get help paying for a vasectomy. I also see no problem in honoring the life of an individual who is yet to be born. By the time the baby is 5 weeks old its brain, spinal cord, and heart are already forming. How is that not life?

As for people leaving the rest of society to help that child you say it like those people aren't part of society. Also as for me when I get a stable job I plan to adopt so don't lump me in with everyone else. I first have to make it through school and everything though. Anyways back on topic. If we idolize our celebrities so much why don't they use their millions of dollars and adopt a child from our own country? I am not trying to mean this in a demeaning or rude way, but it sort of irritates me to see them go adopt a child from a foreign country when we have many here that need a loving parent. Don't point the finger at the middle class(not saying you are) when the upper class could clearly do more than they are.

Have you ever read what the procedure for an abortion is?

 

[Faithseeker87]

Oh, its just that there are many more species around this place which are far more valuable than us. They can exist without us but we can't do it without them. Thats was just about how to value something as in "what impact does it have on life quality?" but isn't meant to imply a worthlessness about unborn humans.

As for people having unprotected sex, it happens as often as people make mistakes they are aware of while not caring about the consequences. But you also have many people who just don't think ahead in certain situations and thats normal. If everyone was mistake free then we wouldn't have this discussion.

And just because something begins to take shape and resembles us more and more with every week doesn't mean it is untouchable from now on. In fact, consciousness doesn't even occur to an age of 2 but i wouldn't go as far as that. Not nearly as far as that. I wouldn't even abort after half a year although that does occur.
People just have to know if they can provide well for a baby and as long as people make mistake we will have to account for that.
After all, if we take care about unborns then we will have to take care about the immature/speedy people as well.

Ah well, i don't idolize celebrities because i only tend to idolize smart people and celebrities aren't exactly part of that group. I think its clear that they adopt exotic childs for more popularity.

 

[Daniel94]

You are absolutely right people make mistakes, but to me by them aborting a child they see no consequences for their actions. I mean if they get into the state of mind "Hey if I get a girl pregnant she can just abort the baby!" or "If I get pregnant I can just have an abortion!" then that is teaching it is okay for them to have sex cause there aren't any real consequences. (I know STDs, but we are talking about abortion now and not STDs) Think about the one thing most guys(by most I mean guys who think it is okay to have sex whenever they want and not guys as a whole) are worried about...I am pretty sure it is getting a girl pregnant. How many do you hear say they are worried they will get a STD.

I basically believe as soon as the sperm cell and the egg become one it is life. I can somewhat understand how you don't see an unborn child as life, but as you said(I don't know how true it is and I am not calling you a liar I have just never heard this) consciousness doesn't occur until the age of 2. How is the fact that the baby is actually out in the world any different from when it is in its mothers womb? Other than the obvious one is technically in the world. You said yourself just because something is looking like us doesn't make it untouchable. I don't see the difference in an abortion and killing a baby that has been born or anyone for that matter.

You said people need to know if they can provide for a child before having one and I totally agree, but I still do not think that justifies an abortion.

After all, if we take care about unborns then we will have to take care about the immature/speedy people as well.

What do you mean by immature/speedy people? I know what immature means I am just uncertain as to what you mean by speedy

I don't idolize anyone. I only look towards God. I think the celebrities adopt out of country for popularity as well, but I personally dislike(I don't ever hate people) them even more when I hear that. I mean it is good they are helping, but I see it as shouldn't we care for our own before extending arms to others?

Also you didn't answer my question as to if you know the procedure of an abortion and what exactly it is that they do.

 

[Faithseeker87]

I know about abortion in europe/germany, yes but i heard in america you have "cheaper" ways to do that.
By speedy people i mean people acting to hasty like..."omg i love you so much! -alright, lets have a baby" . Well, those people might be mature and all but too excited to think straight.

And those people you mentioned in the first paragraph are not the people you'd want to have babies anyway. If they are this careless, chances are high they will be careless with their baby. Well, and this type of people are exactly the type you need to have an abortion on.

Those who aren't as stubborn on this subject are people who are actually smart enough to act accordingly. Exceptions are expected, as always.

Yeah no, unborn child is life, egg cell is life and sperm is life. This shouldn't be open for debate because it seems logical enough.
But is this baby worthy the circumstances it is born into ? If you are dealing with said plain dumb people then the answer is no. You'd be surprised how tiny the effect of genes is when it comes to intelligence. The real deal is in a proper environment/early stimulation of the brain by doing some "brainy" stuff with your little monsters.
There are some studies which almost confirmed the huge influence of the brain by the environment but as long as these studies aren't 100% clear then it isn't confirmed. Usual biz in scientific fields.
So for all that matters, these people cannot provide a proper environment for their childs and thus the chance to become just like their farthers isn't really low and this worsens the situation for the whole society.
Therefore is support abortion for these kind of people.

 

[Daniel94]

I want to say I understand where you are coming from, but what I am saying is that no matter the situation I don't see abortion being justified. You said that an unborn child is life, an egg is life, and even a sperm cell is life. Now how is having an abortion not murder? It is stripping the life away from an individual who NEVER even had a chance to defend themselves. It seems illogical to call the unborn child life, but then try to justify the killing of him/her.

 

[Skybound]

I don't think that anyone can properly argue for or against abortion unless they have come across the painful circumstances personally. (Not saying I'm included!). Daniel you mentioned that your aunt would have made a different choice during pregnancy. I'm curious if your aunt has muscular dystrophy. If she does, not only is she facing for the rest of her life an exponential loss muscle and a harder life as well, but her child now has this same future as well. I think that if I was in her position I would be traumatized by this. I cannot personnally rectify the abortion of a baby concieved simply by unsafe sex. I think that we all must face the consequences of our actions. However, if I had to choose between the knowledge that my child will live a life of increasing pain that had myself experienced and the choice to save the child that pain... it makes me uncomfortable to say that I might agree with your aunt.

 

[Daniel94]

I don't think that anyone can properly argue for or against abortion unless they have come across the painful circumstances personally. (Not saying I'm included!). Daniel you mentioned that your aunt would have made a different choice during pregnancy. I'm curious if your aunt has muscular dystrophy. If she does, not only is she facing for the rest of her life an exponential loss muscle and a harder life as well, but her child now has this same future as well. I think that if I was in her position I would be traumatized by this. I cannot personnally rectify the abortion of a baby concieved simply by unsafe sex. I think that we all must face the consequences of our actions. However, if I had to choose between the knowledge that my child will live a life of increasing pain that had myself experienced and the choice to save the child that pain... it makes me uncomfortable to say that I might agree with your aunt.

hmm...your post made me think. It may be muscular dystrophy, but I am not 100% sure. I also went back and read my first post and I think was I was trying to say, although I never actually said it, that it is a little late to be regretting it now. I mean my cousin is 18 years old already. I also think I chose a bad choice of words in that post. Anyways, I see where she is coming from, but as I also have said I believe God does not give us more than we can handle. I think I said what was in my original post because I still think that we should not have the option to try and create a "perfect" person in our eyes. If you were to know 85%-100% that your child would have the same disorder as you then I could see maybe not wanting to have a child, but anything less than that starts to seem a little risky to decide to not have a child or at least it seems risky to me. As for abortion I have voiced my opinion and we all are entitled to. Also, she didn't say she would have made a different choice during pregnancy it was just that she almost wished she had never even gotten pregnant again in the first place. I don't think that she would ever have had an abortion or that she would now if she got pregnant. Sorry for the confusion my wording was bad in my first post.

 

[djness]

I was born with spinal muscular atrophy type 3. I didn't even know I was handicap till tha age of 26 because my case is much more mild then others who have it. MY brother does not have it.

Pretty much luck of the draw that it was handed down to me. Or if you want , God gave it to me, since God makes everyone the way they are.

I get to pretty much sit and watch life go by. I didn't always though. I was very active and worked most of my lfie so I haven't actually been a total burden on society like some peoples disabilites make them.

So yah....I'm all for knowing ahead of time.