Democrats have removed mentions of “God”

[lil_christian]

I just have a lot of problems with christianity. I don't agree with the majority of stereotypical christian beliefs, nor do I like being associated with a majority of christian stereotypes. Im for gay marriage, Im for limited controlled abortion access, Im against pretty much any conservative movement, Im pro separation of church and state to the highest degree. Im pretty much the exact opposite of the term christian fundamentalist. The most important parts of the bible in my opinion dealt with the words of Jesus involving love another and care for the poor needy and sick and widows. However today far too many christians are too concerned about whether jon and mike down the street are wanting to get married than anything actually important to life. I mean most christians I know are the most intolerant and hateful people in my life meanwhile atheists I know are the ones helping the community and running homeless shelters or helping the poor. Seems a little screwed up that that is the current world we live in... Im pretty much on the gandhi side of things in that I love Christ, but cant stand a majority of his followers.

I'm sorry, but you got it wrong.

Here's why:

First off, you're generalizing. Yes, Christians have flaws. We mess up, A LOT. And yes, we should be better witnesses. But does that mean a vast majority, if not all, the Christians are just a bunch of hypocrites and religious extremists who are bigots who think they can do whatever they want but when someone who's not Christian does the same exact thing, they're gonna condemn them? THAT right there is the stereotype. That and that Christianity's just hype and emotion and giving our devotion to something that's fake.

Second, a lot of Christians are pro-life because we believe, a life is a life, and even if you don't want it, abortion IS murder. It's like...it doesn't make sense. Kill the baby while it's still in the mother, it's not murder. After the baby's born and someone kills it, it's murder.

Reason why a lot of them don't believe in gay marriage is, not only does the Bible say it's wrong, but physically and spiritually it's harmful. And it's really ruining society (then again, if there is no God, there's no need to worry, right? ). Now does that mean I have the right to go out and say to someone who's gay, "Repent or die!"? Umm, you better believe not! Jesus has called us to love EVERYONE. That DOES include the gays. If a Christian turns away from someone because that person is gay, they're in the wrong.

Third, the whole "tolerance" thing is pointless. Atheists want the Christians to "tolerate" them. Problem there is, the Atheists don't tolerate the Christians, and try and spread lies about them, saying that we're hateful. Christians dislike certain things and don't tolerate it and say so? Yes. Hateful? No.

Jesus doesn't just say love one another. He also says that if you hate someone, you've already murdered them in your heart. Now, go ask one of your Christian friends who's against gay marriage if they want to murder the gays...do you think they're gonna say yes? (If they do then...well...there's something EXTREMELY wrong there.) Hopefully not.

It's not just the Atheists that are running homeless shelters and stuff like that. If that was true, then my youth group wouldn't have helped out at the Salvation Army 2-3 weeks ago serving out food. We wouldn't go visiting people in the nursing home, talking to them. If that was true, then I wouldn't have gone with my youth group to a mission trip in Cincinnati, Ohio, where my youth group, and at least 1,500 other people joined to serve the city of Cincinnati for a week, giving out water bottles to those who needed some, giving out free popsicles on a hot day, paying for people's ice cream at a lake/kid's water park, PRAYING for people when they wanted it.

If you love Christ, then, if you still want to, follow Him. Don't worry about what the other Christians do. YOU need to focus on what YOU do. Worry about YOUR walk with Christ. Not others'.

 

[AgapeSpiritEyes]

Not only acknowledging God Directly and personally (why? to include Him, invite Him, ask Him, Love Him, cry out to Him etc.) but they also ignored to acknowledge Israel and the Capital of Israel Jerusalem well, no mattter the political philosophies Personally God will bless or curse according to His Covenant and promise to fullfill for Israel and Spiritual Israel. All nay sayers and haters will suffer real suffering will this call for the body of Jesus Christ to fall on our knees in unity and cry out O Lord Jesus come and pour out your spirit upon us empower us more that any of the ages to manifest and glorify you open the hearts and souls so they will repent and see you and give their lives to you Jesus!

 

[JimJimmers]

"RachelBibleStudent and RachelBibleStudent like this."

She's a Jedi!!

 

[chasten]

Many people have asked me about the gay marriage scenario, saying to love, and asking if my sins are lesser than theirs because their gay, and I just have to think, just because I may still sin, doesnt mean that I am to condone sin in myself or others. That really goes for every situation though. Lil christians post made me just wanna throw that out there...lol.

 

[lil_christian]

"RachelBibleStudent and RachelBibleStudent like this."

She's a Jedi!!

I saw I got two likes and I was like "Hmm wonder who liked what!" and I see that, and I was like "Okay...maybe it's just a glitch." and it shows up the same way here as it does in my notifications XD LOL!

 

[Nautilus]

First off, you're generalizing. Yes, Christians have flaws. We mess up, A LOT. And yes, we should be better witnesses. But does that mean a vast majority, if not all, the Christians are just a bunch of hypocrites and religious extremists who are bigots who think they can do whatever they want but when someone who's not Christian does the same exact thing, they're gonna condemn them? THAT right there is the stereotype. That and that Christianity's just hype and emotion and giving our devotion to something that's fake.

Maybe generalizing but Im also unlucky enough to live in North Carolina a state that lately has been associated with pastors using basically hate speech in condemning homosexuals to the point one pastor said they should 'locked up in a camp together that way they all die out' because he apparently believes gay people only give birth to gay children and somehow separating them from society will prevent for gay babies...Yes this was a PASTOR.

Second, a lot of Christians are pro-life because we believe, a life is a life, and even if you don't want it, abortion IS murder. It's like...it doesn't make sense. Kill the baby while it's still in the mother, it's not murder. After the baby's born and someone kills it, it's murder.

Im a life begins at birth kinda guy, and I dont even support all abortion, most I don't support. But in the caes of rape, incest, or the rare risk to the mothers life, Im all for it.

Reason why a lot of them don't believe in gay marriage is, not only does the Bible say it's wrong, but physically and spiritually it's harmful. And it's really ruining society (then again, if there is no God, there's no need to worry, right? ).

See this is my biggest problem. If people want to be gay just let them its their life. I highly doubt its physically harming and would like to see infromation on that one. I don't agree gays are ruining society and ok fine God says it is wrong, but why should that stop non-religious entities(aka state governments) from recognizing gay marriage? Answer: It shouldnt because of separation of church and state.

Now does that mean I have the right to go out and say to someone who's gay, "Repent or die!"? Umm, you better believe not! Jesus has called us to love EVERYONE. That DOES include the gays. If a Christian turns away from someone because that person is gay, they're in the wrong.

And thats awesome, unfortunately at least in my area thats not how things happen.

Third, the whole "tolerance" thing is pointless. Atheists want the Christians to "tolerate" them. Problem there is, the Atheists don't tolerate the Christians, and try and spread lies about them, saying that we're hateful. Christians dislike certain things and don't tolerate it and say so? Yes. Hateful? No.

Atheists can be ridiculous, but nothing is wrong with being tolerant of others, it goes back to the whole turn the other cheek thing. So just because they wont tolerate you, doesnt mean you return the favor.

If you love Christ, then, if you still want to, follow Him. Don't worry about what the other Christians do. YOU need to focus on what YOU do. Worry about YOUR walk with Christ. Not others'.

Easier said than done. There is just so many parts of it all I cant accept. The basics Im fine with. The rest I just dont know. By the basics Yeah God loves, sent His son Jesus, how died for us, and was then ressurected. I have that much. I just cant and most likely will never be in line on the smaller things.

 

[lil_christian]

Unfortunately I can't remember where I saw the information that it's physically harming. If I could remember where I got it I'd give it to you (I do know, though, it wasn't from some dumb anti-gay site).

Just remember this: Not everyone who is behind the pulpit is Christian. Sad truth, but it's truth. And I honestly would say that the chance that the person who preached that wasn't Christian is extremely high.

 

[chasten]

Maybe generalizing but Im also unlucky enough to live in North Carolina a state that lately has been associated with pastors using basically hate speech in condemning homosexuals to the point one pastor said they should 'locked up in a camp together that way they all die out' because he apparently believes gay people only give birth to gay children and somehow separating them from society will prevent for gay babies...Yes this was a PASTOR.

I think weve ALL said this, but once again, that one pastor isnt every christian, and he shouldnt be able to singularly represent us. Hate is the work of Satan, and just because this pastor appears to be lost at this point in time, maybe he just has strong beleifs in Christ, and it hurts to see the world turning like it is. Maybe hes not on the right track, I think we've all lost our cool at some point... I dunno..maybe christians are held by the rest of society to higher standpoint, and thats why it may be okay for other people to lose their cool, but not okay for us? Whatever the reason, if you know hes wrong, dust off the dust of your feet, and keep going. Dont let him mess you up.


Im a life begins at birth kinda guy, and I dont even support all abortion, most I don't support. But in the caes of rape, incest, or the rare risk to the mothers life, Im all for it.

I think thats a very sweet disposition.


See this is my biggest problem. If people want to be gay just let them its their life. I highly doubt its physically harming and would like to see infromation on that one. I don't agree gays are ruining society and ok fine God says it is wrong, but why should that stop non-religious entities(aka state governments) from recognizing gay marriage? Answer: It shouldnt because of separation of church and state.

I dunno about you. But down here in the South, we call it holy matrimony. Sometimes people even get married in those whatchamacallit places of god! I think I actually have two posts stating my views on this earlier in the thread, so I wont even go there. But maybe you should take that seperation of church and state comment, and look at it from a different angle. ^^ SOOO...maybe since they dont beleive in the bible they should just call it something different, and not TRY to refer it to a religious point of view. OH my...religious freedom. Then everybodys happy. ^^

And thats awesome, unfortunately at least in my area thats not how things happen.

Atheists can be ridiculous, but nothing is wrong with being tolerant of others, it goes back to the whole turn the other cheek thing. So just because they wont tolerate you, doesnt mean you return the favor.

Everyone can be ridulous. Its all about perception.Tolerence is a must have I agree.


Easier said than done. There is just so many parts of it all I cant accept. The basics Im fine with. The rest I just dont know. By the basics Yeah God loves, sent His son Jesus, how died for us, and was then ressurected. I have that much. I just cant and most likely will never be in line on the smaller things.

Well. See this is probably the one I personsonally have the most trouble with... because...youve obviously
have already gotten the conviction... so if Jesus died for you. And Jesus is in the bible...whats the next step?

I think theres a verse I can put in here somewhere....
Not everyone who cries Lord Lord shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he that does the will of my father which is in heaven.there will be many that come to me in that day talking about miracles being done in my name, and having cast out devils in my name, and having done many wonderful works in my name, and on that day I will profess to them I never knew you depart from me ye that work iniquity.

And if the righteous scarcely make it to heaven, then where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

Maybe its not that you just cant accept some things, maybe you just need Jesus to help you in realizing this goal. It sounds like a better track then oh well...I guess I give up now. Just saying!!! Maybe you just gotta dig a little deeperrr into your bible, and the context of it! Im sure any of us would be happy to bible study with you, at any time you would like. :_D

 

[moment_of_faith]

Nautilus -- Well we have come full circle. You never answered me the first time. What is your move forward? Where do you draw the line? It's not on kicking GOD out. The DNC did that and when trying to put back in was almost booed off stage.

What comes after homosexuals? What come after GOD has been removed from everything?
Where will our country morals be then?
I believe you are playing with FIRE..


Sound like you want to ride the fence and hope you fall on the right side if Jesus shows up in your mind

 

[chasten]

For some reason that didnt turn out the way I needed it tooo...I kind of want to fix it now.

 

[chasten]

See..my responses are all wrapped up in his...you cant even see me unless you look really hard...

 

[Nautilus]

Nautilus -- Well we have come full circle. You never answered me the first time. What is your move forward? Where do you draw the line? It's not on kicking GOD out. The DNC did that and when trying to put back in was almost booed off stage.

What comes after homosexuals? What come after GOD has been removed from everything?
Where will our country morals be then?
I believe you are playing with FIRE..


Sound like you want to ride the fence and hope you fall on the right side if Jesus shows up in your mind

I draw the line where progress starts actively harming people. Are homosexuals being allowed to marry harmful to an individual? No. Is removing God from the platform of the DNC harmful? No. Both of these are issues on which at best, conservatives simply use as a scapegoat to attempt to flare up outrage at the dnc from swing voters.

As long as they don't mess with churches and personal expressions of God i.e., people reading bibles in public, praying to yourself or in a small group unobtrusively(But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.Matthew 6:6), and the such its fine.

Morally we are a country based on freedom, until someones religious text disagrees with it? That doesn't sound like America, home of the free to me. I have no problem if people want to say gay marriage is terrible and against God, thats fine, and I have no problem with churches denying gays marriage services. But to sit around and use religion as an argument for the government not being able to hand out a marriage license is faulty.

For some reason that didnt turn out the way I needed it tooo...I kind of want to fix it now.

I see where you're coming from but I have a hard time equating needing to be aginst gay marriage in order to be a 'good' christian and other surface level things like that.

 

[moment_of_faith]

What about kids and gay marriage. Don't you think allow gay marriage and promoting it is sooner or later going to make school kids try it and when someone says something to them they are going to be like what. It's legal ..I'm not doing anything wrong.

Those days my friend are the days of Noah and Lot

 

[Nautilus]

What about kids and gay marriage. Don't you think allow gay marriage and promoting it is sooner or later going to make school kids try it and when someone says something to them they are going to be like what. It's legal ..I'm not doing anything wrong.

Those days my friend are the days of Noah and Lot

Uh I don't think gay marriage being legal is going to make smart all of a sudden go out and be like hey lets give it a shot...that isnt exactly how sexuality works. The ones who will do it are the ones who would have done it anyways. And unless you try to blatantly just outlaw homosexuality and associated practices, it will always be a thing.

 

[moment_of_faith]

I don't believe that. When it becomes the norm then it will be the norm.. Look how far society has come over sex now. It was taboo a few years ago is practices in ever high school today. It will get worse .. It’s human nature. Someone is always going to push more and more. Those were the days of Noah and Lot.

 

[Nautilus]

ok so i guess following that logic then gay sex will be more prevalent among gay teens. Straight kids arent just going to be like hey im bored lets try being gay...

 

[moment_of_faith]

yes they will jsut like drugs and everything else

 

[JimJimmers]

Everyone is wrapped up in gay marriage. You don't have to be against gay marriage to be a good Christian, but at the same time no one seems willing to acknowledge that there's no reason to keep five people from marrying each other. The only reason politicians aren't pushing it is because the poll numbers aren't high enough yet. The culture is currently against polyamory, so it'll stay that way for a while, most likely. It won't affect my vows to my wife if my next door neighbor is married to an HP all-in-one printer/scanner/fax machine, but I don't think it'll be legal any time soon.

Possibly a better question is, why is there such a thing as 'legally married' at all? Should the Federal Government really give benefits to people who choose to participate in a ceremony?

 

[Nautilus]

Everyone is wrapped up in gay marriage. You don't have to be against gay marriage to be a good Christian, but at the same time no one seems willing to acknowledge that there's no reason to keep five people from marrying each other. The only reason politicians aren't pushing it is because the poll numbers aren't high enough yet. The culture is currently against polyamory, so it'll stay that way for a while, most likely. It won't affect my vows to my wife if my next door neighbor is married to an HP all-in-one printer/scanner/fax machine, but I don't think it'll be legal any time soon.

Possibly a better question is, why is there such a thing as 'legally married' at all? Should the Federal Government really give benefits to people who choose to participate in a ceremony?

If you are saying get rid of all legal benefits that come from marriage then I agree. At that point gays will no longer care if the church wants to marry them or not. The whole gay marriage issue has had very little to do with religion and moreso that they just want the same legal rights as straights couples.

 

[moment_of_faith]

No society should benefit those who give back and a family gives back. Especially true Christian families, they are here for our survival, morals, loving nature. Families are what makes any place great.