Im not Catholic but he makes a good point.

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yeah but the Catholic church is complicit in the abuse of thousands of young boys and you use them for a reference?

I'll bet every Christian thinks and prays about their vote, and yet some will vote against your choice? So is it proper to suggest that one side is genuinely and entirely "God's man" and the other is not?

Frankly a devout Mormon is not my idea of a good Christian so he is unlikely to be God's man. But the other choice does not seem so right either. You end up with a "lesser of two evils" for a choice. So you dont vote at all for fear of aiding an evil? Or choose not to vote at all
 
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I was talking about his quote....not his beliefs. :l I wasn't referencing anything, I was mentioning his quote and how I agree with it.

I don't care what religion two people are - but if one person is doing and supporting evil things, then I rather not associate myself with it.
 
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I was talking about his quote....not his beliefs. :l I wasn't referencing anything, I was mentioning his quote and how I agree with it.

I don't care what religion two people are - but if one person is doing and supporting evil things, then I rather not associate myself with it.
that is good that you do not wish to associate yourself with evl but any kind of promotion of the catholic church is promoting evil and that is a definite form of association even if you do not realise that
 
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that is good that you do not wish to associate yourself with evl but any kind of promotion of the catholic church is promoting evil and that is a definite form of association even if you do not realise that
Was she promoting the Catholic Church?
 
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that is good that you do not wish to associate yourself with evl but any kind of promotion of the catholic church is promoting evil and that is a definite form of association even if you do not realise that

The Catholic Church is not intrisically evil, you can't judge a book by its cover.
 
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Jesus said call no man spiritual Father...what is the definition of pope and what are priests called...so such a church has complete disregard for what Jesus had to say about how to honour God...that is EVIL
 
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Jesus said I am the way, the truth and the life..Noone comes to the Father but through me...it is told to catholics that they may go through Mary to go through Jesus to approach God...bible tells us there is ONE mediator between God and man and that is Jesus so it is an evil lie to have other mediators such as Mary and saints
 
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It is one of the ten commandments that you shall make no graven images....are such things found in the catholic churches?
 
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Jesus said call no man spiritual Father...what is the definition of pope and what are priests called...so such a church has complete disregard for what Jesus had to say about how to honour God...that is EVIL
You can interpret the Bible that way but it doesn't mean you have interpreted it correctly. When Jesus said that he was not talking about spiritual fathers he was talking about earthly fathers.

Paul the Apostle said that he himself was a FATHER to the church.

Read this and maybe you will stop thinking so highly of your own thoughts.

"For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel."

1 Corinthians 4:15 ESV


So what does that tell you there? Call no man father is a commandment for people who believe that their earthly father is their real father. Jesus was not saying anything against having spiritual fathers. Apostle Paul himself said that he was a spiritual father in Christ Jesus through the gospel. If your interpretation of Jesus words is correct then St. Paul is going against Christ's own words.
 
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It is one of the ten commandments that you shall make no graven images....are such things found in the catholic churches?
A graven image is an idol, not statuary in itself. Otherwise you must believe that God led Israel into sin when He commanded them to fashion the cherubim. As for spiritual fatherhood, there was a recent thread in the Bible forum where I replied to this idea. Unless you can recognize hyperbole, one of Jesus' favorite teaching devices, you will not be able to make sense of spiritual fatherhood in St. Paul's letters and in the early Church writings. Jesus was not banishing a word from our vocabulary.
 
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Corinthians 4:15 "Even though you have ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel."


Paul didn't say...

...through the church I became your father or
...through the system I became your father or
...through hierarchy I became your father or
...because I am an apostle I am your father or
...through the laying on of hands by other men I became your father or
...because I tell you I am your father I am your father...

No, he says I became your father "through the gospel"...plain and simple.

How many Pastors out there want to be "fathers" but don't have a clue of what the gospel is all about...all they know is system, leadership, perfection, model, business...and by virtue of their position they enforce their "fathership" ... If they are not preaching the gospel but something that essentially is not the gospel, how can they possibly be biblical fathers at all?

No..those "relationships" strain with the slightest of pressure, with the slightest disagreements they break down and reveal what they really are, nothing but suedo- "ties" that do not bind...

When the gospel of grace is preached in its purest form, the natural progression, the fruit is, "fathers" and "sons”…...ties that have the strongest bind...that never break...sincere, full of love...this is what Paul is speaking about when he says…for..."I became your father through the gospel."
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besides...Jesus Himself said...you have only one Father
 
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I reiterate...the commandment is make no graven images...yes or no...do you find graven images in the catholic church...an excuse for having them is not required
 
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I reiterate...the commandment is make no graven images...yes or no...do you find graven images in the catholic church...an excuse for having them is not required
No, there are no graven images in the Catholic Church. Graven images are not what you are suggesting they are.
 
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. graven - cut into a desired shape; "graven images"; "sculptured representations"
sculpted, sculptured
carved, carven - made for or formed by carving (`carven' is archaic or literary); "the carved fretwork"; "an intricately carved door"; "stood as if carven from stone"
2. graven - cut or impressed into a surface; "an incised design"; "engraved invitations"
engraved, etched, inscribed, incised
carved, carven - made for or formed by carving (`carven' is archaic or literary); "the carved fretwork"; "an intricately carved door"; "stood as if carven from stone"

How can you say there are no graven images in the Catholic church...denying the truth is a form of lying
 
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If God really hates Catholicism then why did he ever allow it to flourish for almost 1000 years? Why are there so many Catholics? If God is so powerful do you not think he would have already destroyed Catholicism and all of its "lies"?

I'm not saying Catholicism is perfect or is the true Church as I am an Eastern Orthodox Christian, but there is enough truth in Catholicism to where it can stand in God's sight.
 
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If God really hates Catholicism then why did he ever allow it to flourish for almost 1000 years? Why are there so many Catholics? If God is so powerful do you not think he would have already destroyed Catholicism and all of its "lies"?
Why does God allow satan to be the god of this world..He has His reasons He allows evil to flourish and we are to focus on God and His ways and not humans who usurp the authority of God
 
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Why does God allow satan to be the god of this world..He has His reasons He allows evil to flourish and we are to focus on God and His ways and not humans who usurp the authority of God
How do you know you're not usurping the authority of God with your own interpretations of the Bible? Did you know that there are over 25,000 denominations in Protestant Christianity, each with their own interpretation of Scripture?