Death Penalty for disrespectful children???

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Sep 7, 2012
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Think Progress reports:

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Republican Candidate In Arkansas Says Parents Should Seek Death Penalty Against ‘Rebellious Children’

By Judd Legum on Oct 8, 2012 at 6:50 pm

A candidate for the Arkansas legislature, Charlie Fuqua, says children who don’t demonstrate “respect for parents” should be put to death, the Arkansas Times reports. Fuqua is a former member of the Arkansas legislature and has received support from the Arkansas Republican Party and two sitting members of Congress.
Here’s the key passage from Fuqua’s 2012 book, “God’s Law: The Only Political Solution“:
The maintenance of civil order in society rests on the foundation of family discipline. Therefore, a child who disrespects his parents must be permanently removed from society in a way that gives an example to all other children of the importance of respect for parents. The death penalty for rebellious children is not something to be taken lightly. The guidelines for administering the death penalty to rebellious children are given in Deut 21:18-21:
Fuqua helpfully notes that “This passage does not give parents blanket authority to kill their children.” Rather, parents would have to “follow the proper procedure in order to have the death penalty executed against their children.” Fuqua assures the reader that, in his view, the procedure would “rarely be used.” The threat of death would, however, “be a tremendous incentive for children to give proper respect to their parents.’
Fuqua, reached by the Huffington Post on the issue, declined to comment.
Fuqua’s book previously came under scrutiny for advocating expelling all Muslims from the United States. In response, Fuqua said he believe his view on Mulims were “fairly well-accepted by most people"


We would have far fewer children if this was common.
 
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No, guys a complete idiot who, should be jail for being stupid. For both death penalty And Muslim thing.
 
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Relena7

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Yikes!!

This guy has major issues. :eek:
 
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Well he has a scripture reference to support his position, it is not like he went off and figured this out for him self. That was God's law was it not? Can we ignore it totally?
 
Sep 10, 2012
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one way of looking at this issue is that the relationship between parents and children should be the same as God's relationship with His children, namely us, and when we show Him lack of respect by sinning against Him, do we deserve to die for our sins..yes we do...and God is merciful that He punished and had His son killed so that we would not have to receive the punishment for our sins...I think before the death penalty is considered for disrespectful children other measures can be used to teach them respect starting from when they are small children...corporal punishment should precede captial punishment as they are growing up...if a child does not respect their parents authority they will not respect other authority and so become a very very serious danger to society
 
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This guy is ridiculous! I cannot believe someone would actually take him seriously.
 
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kayem77

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Well he has a scripture reference to support his position, it is not like he went off and figured this out for him self. That was God's law was it not? Can we ignore it totally?
We are not under law, we are under grace :)
 
Sep 10, 2012
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my husband had a disrespectful daughter who at the age of fourteen had a boyfriend who stabbed his mother thirteen times in the neck...so I can see how ridiculous the death penalty would be for such a youth...I wonder if he has attempted to murder or even succeeded this time to murder others now that he has been released into society
 

Dude653

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COOO COOOO!!!!
 
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chesser

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my husband had a disrespectful daughter who at the age of fourteen had a boyfriend who stabbed his mother thirteen times in the neck...so I can see how ridiculous the death penalty would be for such a youth...I wonder if he has attempted to murder or even succeeded this time to murder others now that he has been released into society
For a child murdering, I'd be ok with life in prison(if their over,say,10,and fully know what their doing) not death though.
 
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Hi all GBU ,,,,,, if this is where the USA is headed its in really big trouble !!! ,,,you cant hit your kids but killing them is ok lol lol its a joke right ??

on the understanding that this is for real ((and i'm not sure it is )) why in the world would anyone vote for the raving loony The Republican party ??? if this is the kind of people there putting up for election ?? where will these people lead the USA ??? ,,,,,instead of saying **God bless America ** we should change this to **God help America ** cause clearly its in deep trouble

BADDOG
 

Elizabeth619

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I wish many of you would research certain articles before believing everything you read. At first sight what he is saying may look like he is advocating the death penalty for unruly children, and yet again this is a perfect example of a man's word taken out of context.

He used the death penalty in the OT as an example of parents authority. He did not literally mean KILL YOUR KID.
We all know that death was the penalty one paid for sin in the OT. I guess Fugua made the ignorant assumption that people had knowledge of the scriptures and most would comprehend that.

This man also stated that Christ's love for us is greater than any parents love for their child... why wasnt that put in there?

Here is the entire comment he made. Judge as you wish.


This passage does not give parents blanket authority to kill their children. They must follow the proper procedure in order to have the death penalty executed against their children. I cannot think of one instance in the Scripture where parents had their child put to death. Why is this so? Other than the love Christ has for us, there is no greater love then [sic] that of a parent for their child. The last people who would want to see a child put to death would be the parents of the child. Even so, the Scrpture provides a safe guard to protect children from parents who would wrongly exercise the death penalty against them. Parents are required to bring their children to the gate of the city. The gate of the city was the place where the elders of the city met and made judicial pronouncements. In other words, the parents were required to take their children to a court of law and lay out their case before the proper judicial authority, and let the judicial authority determine if the child should be put to death. I know of many cases of rebellious children, however, I cannot think of one case where I believe that a parent had given up on their child to the point that they would have taken their child to a court of law and asked the court to rule that the child be put to death. Even though this procedure would rarely be used, if it were the law of land, it would give parents authority. Children would know that their parents had authority and it would be a tremendous incentive for children to give proper respect to their parents.
 

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Hi all GBU ,,,,,, if this is where the USA is headed its in really big trouble !!! ,,,you cant hit your kids but killing them is ok lol lol its a joke right ??

on the understanding that this is for real ((and i'm not sure it is )) why in the world would anyone vote for the raving loony The Republican party ??? if this is the kind of people there putting up for election ?? where will these people lead the USA ??? ,,,,,instead of saying **God bless America ** we should change this to **God help America ** cause clearly its in deep trouble

BADDOG
Yes, God help America is absolutely right.
One of the biggest problems is the media taking things out of context especially when it comes to politicians, and people believe anything negetive they read without researching for theirself. Republicans and Democrats BOTH are guilty of this.
 
Oct 11, 2012
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There's only one thing I'm going to say about this.

It is not a child's fault if they are disrespectful or unruly. The PARENTS are to blame.
You have to teach a child how to be kind, polite, and all other things. When you run into a troubled child, it's because the parents haven't instilled those values in them. All of this is chalked up to self-involvement and lazy parenting.
 
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Elizabeth, my point was this what place does any sort of religious law have in the US of A, we are a secular society with secular laws and not religious laws. Certain folks here seem to want to bring about a theocracy here and that is unconstitutional (btw and it wont work.)
 

Elizabeth619

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There's only one thing I'm going to say about this.

It is not a child's fault if they are disrespectful or unruly. The PARENTS are to blame.
You have to teach a child how to be kind, polite, and all other things. When you run into a troubled child, it's because the parents haven't instilled those values in them. All of this is chalked up to self-involvement and lazy parenting.
So how do you handle your kids when they misbehave?
 

Elizabeth619

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Elizabeth, my point was this what place does any sort of religious law have in the US of A, we are a secular society with secular laws and not religious laws. Certain folks here seem to want to bring about a theocracy here and that is unconstitutional (btw and it wont work.)
This is the problem I have. As Christians we should abide by the commands of the Word of God. Advocating something that is ungodly(even if you dont practice it yourself) is still wrong.

This is not forcing religious views on others, but showing how the bible obviously and correctly shows us how to handle things and live our lives
 

Nautilus

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No, but if a parent doesnt teach a kid respect or discipline then it is most certainly the parents fault
 
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No, but if a parent doesnt teach a kid respect or discipline then it is most certainly the parents fault
I think maybe you missed the part about being "rebellious". You can lead a horse to water, n' all that...