Same Sex Marriage Doesn't Lead To Live And Let Live

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1still_waters

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Minnesota For Marriage is pushing to pass a marriage protection act in Minnesota.

Their latest ad shows that states become intolerant once they allow same sex marriage. In states that are pro-same sex marriage, churches and businesses get sued, and children receive pro-same sex education without parental consent.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqO9_I2akOQ[/video]

3rd TV Ad: "Not Live & Let Live" :30 TV. - YouTube
 
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Gays have the same rights as cis people to be married and for that to happen people need to learn to respect them. People who insist on hating gays are wrong and need to be re-educated, it wont happen over night but starting with the kids is a natural starting point. Typically it is the parents who teach their kids to hate others who are different. There is no possible effect of including gays in the stated sponsored sex education that it will change a person's orientation, this is a hate filled lie perpetrated by Satan. Jesus never taught hate ever.

If you insist on hating gays then take your kids out of public schooling and you can teach them yourself or find some "Jesus camp" to indoctrinate them in you ways. But in the public schools tolerance must be taught and will be taught.
 

loveme1

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Gays have the same rights as cis people to be married and for that to happen people need to learn to respect them. People who insist on hating gays are wrong and need to be re-educated, it wont happen over night but starting with the kids is a natural starting point. Typically it is the parents who teach their kids to hate others who are different. There is no possible effect of including gays in the stated sponsored sex education that it will change a person's orientation, this is a hate filled lie perpetrated by Satan. Jesus never taught hate ever.

If you insist on hating gays then take your kids out of public schooling and you can teach them yourself or find some "Jesus camp" to indoctrinate them in you ways. But in the public schools tolerance must be taught and will be taught.

Love them, but don't accept what they do is okay.

Yahshua taught Repentance and that is to "change"

The same goes for us all.

The world accept all things for it is not righteous...

satan is the live and let live type..

i'm sure the day will come when a camp will be found for us that oppose the worldly ways of man...

We will sing praise and await our King, suffering for the truths sake, hated for the Truth's sake.

Oh Lord i wanna be in that number.
 
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jimmydiggs

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People who insist on hating gays are wrong and need to be re-educated, it wont happen over night but starting with the kids is a natural starting point.
 
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Gays have the same rights as cis people to be married and for that to happen people need to learn to respect them. People who insist on hating gays are wrong and need to be re-educated, it wont happen over night but starting with the kids is a natural starting point. Typically it is the parents who teach their kids to hate others who are different. There is no possible effect of including gays in the stated sponsored sex education that it will change a person's orientation, this is a hate filled lie perpetrated by Satan. Jesus never taught hate ever.

If you insist on hating gays then take your kids out of public schooling and you can teach them yourself or find some "Jesus camp" to indoctrinate them in you ways. But in the public schools tolerance must be taught and will be taught.

It's nice to see the fruits of following Obama so richly relevant in your life.

Notice the term 'hating gays' substituted for those who disagree with condoning the lifestyle.
Also notice 're-educated' as a necessity for us who follow the Bibles teachings on sexual perversion.
Also the term 'indoctrinated' tied directly to the term 'Jesus Camp'. It's nice the Lord's name got into that diatribe, even if it was in the sense of 'being in a camp'.

Finally the term tolerance (which means intolerance to free and open debate) MUST be taught and Will
be taught.
Actung, Celestekent.
 
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Walkinginfaith

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Luke 6:4 The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks.

Hate and Lies or Love and Truth
 
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Loveme1, I agreed with everything you said except one thing:
'satan is the live and let live type'

Satan is the live and let die type.
 
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quakerzen

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I was never taught about marriage AT ALL in public school. Gay, straight, polygamy, horse marriage... None of it. When people say gay marriage is taught, I'm pretty sure they mean teachers not letting kids bully gay kids. As a hardcore Christian leftist, the one thing I can't stand is someone using my Lord's name to excuse their hatred for a particular group of people. Whether that group is gays, blacks, the poor/rich, Muslims, Catholics, whatever. It's wrong. And yes, "disagreeing" with the lifestyle is fine. Demanding that the law agrees with your personal religious belief at the expense of their civil liberties is NOT the same thing as having a person disagreement.
 

HeraldtheNews

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I agree with you here-- using religion to excuse hatred of others is wrong; I have often been guilty of this. But, there is hope. I've overcome my past hatreds of Mormons and Muslims, and will be working very hard in 2012/2013 to overcome my hatred of liberals and try to learn to discuss the issues without it becoming a shouting match. Sometimes we forget that when we attack a person's views, we are attacking them personally. I don't hate liberals personally, and the internet makes it easy to de-humanize people. But, neither side wants the government to force the other sides issues on society.
Unfortunately, children are being drawn into the confrontations between Liberals and Conservatives. We are all blinded to our own actions sometimes and unseen warfare within, especially without other people's feedback and discernment.

Here are some comments by Justice Stevens Reno v. American Civil Liberties Union (1997)
"Through the use of chat rooms, any person with a phone line can become the town crier with a voice that resonates farther than it could from any soapbox. Through the use of Web pages, mail exploders, and newsgroups, the same individual can become a pamphleteer."

 
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Missa79

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Its not about hatred about or religion,its about follwing God's word...why is it that when a Christian stands up for Jesus and his word we are accused of hatred or unacceptance..even Jesus loves the sinner and hates the sin...God intended for marriage to he between a man and a woman, not a 2 men orc2 women, the Bible clearly states that homosexuality is an abomination...yes we are supposed to love everyone..but that doesnt mean we have to accept or support their lifestyle or decisions...and one more question, why is it ok for someone who supports gays or same sex marriage to fight for what they believe...but it's not ok for someone who doesnt support it to stand up and fight for what they believe? ??
 

Nautilus

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talking about people mentioning forcing issues on people...having gay marriage doesnt force anything on anyone. No one is forcing anyone who doesnt want to be married to the same sex to go so. However not having gay marriage is actively forcing people to not be allowed to marry who they love. Same with abortion. Having abortion clinics isnt forcing anyone to abort their child. Not having abortion is taking away that choice and forcing someone to carry a baby to term.

Seems like one side is doing a lot forcing than the other. Because in all honesty if you dont like the concept then dont do it. But dont use your displeasure as a reason it should be denied to all.
 
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Missa79

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.on the abortion issue....its not about a choice..keeping abortion legal is making murder legal...how is that ok?&he what i dont understand people that are pro-abortion,pro-choice,pro-murder, whatever you want to call it..are ok with MURDERING an innocent baby who has no voice, but are agwinst the death penalty ...why is it om do end a life of an innocent beautiful child..but allow a serial killer,child molester, rapist live??
 
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While the homosexual agenda (not all agendas are bad) is going on, we have to stand for the truth. God says that marriage is between one man and one woman. That is how God created. Now to say, we should let them be married and disobeying what God has said. So we have to stand against this change in society, it is dangerous and could lead to people like me put in jail for disagreeing with the increasing majority view. There is also science that the side that disagrees with same sex marriage can use and even studies by dudes like Regnerus (or whatever his name is) about homosexual parenting having a negative influence. I have nothing against people who call themselves "gay" or "lesbian", but say that deserve special rights to marriage is not a right. When one gets married, it is not a right, it is a privilege. This is a privilege that God has bestowed on us, as humans and only between one man and one woman. Now, if God said in the Scriptures that one could and it was not a sin, then I would believe differently. In almost every society that anthropologists have looked at marriage has always been between a man and a woman, even if some allowed it. Plus, procreation is also a part of marriage (even if some cannot produce children as a married couple and have to adopt it still does not null this reason). Love also is part of marriage but not to the extent that society thinks it is. Also, when he comes to this same-sex marriage, many also want to have divorce rights from the person that they are "married" to if it does not work or the passion that they had before disappears. There is a verse in the Bible that goes like this:
Isaiah 5:20
"Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter."
Also about tolerance (that definition in the dictionary has sadly changed nowadays) is to accept that people have different forms of opinion and to accept that they have that opinion, but not to agree and accept that opinion whether they like or not. The tolerance of nowadays will lead to the intolerance of the future. With this new tolerance, there will be no absolute truth and no firm foundation. Many of the people who call the other side intolerant are in reality many times, intolerant themselves. For example, many same-sex sites have a hate list of the organizations that they disagree with. In fact, in the news recently, there was a "gay" man who disagreed with same-sex marriage and was lambasted by a same-sex group called Stonewall and even by his mother for his opinion. Now that is intolerance. But instead of smacking down the side that is against it. We need to debate (without using ad hominem arguments) and to respect that there are differences in opinion but not to smack down the other side, even if that side is what the Bible and God would say is wrong. This also reminds of another verse in the Bible.
Romans 12:2
Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.
Also, another verse:
Acts 5:29
Peter and the other apostles replied: "We must obey God rather than men!"

So you see we are to be in this world but not of it also. Another verse:
John 15:18-20
If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. Remember the words I spoke to you: 'No servant is greater than his master.' If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also.
So don't give into what the world is feeding you whether it be same-sex marriage, new age philosophy, or whatever. It is hollow and deceptive, it looks good at the surface but when one points out the cons, the cons start to outweigh the pros, but in many people's minds the pros far outweigh the cons. So since by the says that homosexuality is wrong (the behavior as well as the thoughts), then in turn if people who practice it want to get married and they are a man and a man or a woman and a woman, then it is wrong.

I was recently reading an article in World magazine, a magazine written through a Christian worldview and not as much about killings, murders, etc as another magazines, that talked about while everyone is focusing on this. Polygamy, polyamorous, and incest supporters are speaking out and saying that they should have special rights as well. The polygamy ones want people to be allowed to have more than one wife, the polyamorous want someone to be married and have another boyfriend on the side to help (both sides have to agree to that), and the incest ones want a brother and sister to be able to get married to each other and other things. That is against God's law and is making humanism an idol. I believe that after Jesus went to heaven we were in the last days, but the Bible has a lot to say about what is happening now. We need to pray that God would change their hearts and that they would realize it is wrong and repent. Also, that we would not spend too much time on this issue but also focus on issues like divorce, marriage, and other issues that prevalent in the body of Christ. God bless and sorry it was a long post.
 

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.on the abortion issue....its not about a choice..keeping abortion legal is making murder legal...how is that ok?&he what i dont understand people that are pro-abortion,pro-choice,pro-murder, whatever you want to call it..are ok with MURDERING an innocent baby who has no voice, but are agwinst the death penalty ...why is it om do end a life of an innocent beautiful child..but allow a serial killer,child molester, rapist live??
well since if you arent breathing you arent alive hence the breath of life, fetuses donr actually count. Sure once their born it would be murder, but I dont do the whole life begins at conception thing. Just not my beliefs. Also I'm for the death penalty in heinous offenses I would say.

So in my mind no one is murdering any babies.
 

Nautilus

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willfollowsgod said:
This is a privilege that God has bestowed on us
Clearly this is the thought process behind all the atheists and other people you have no issue with who co-opt marriage from a religious ceremony into a secular one, yet when gays try to do it, it strikes a nerve? the lame excuses i hear...
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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Its not about hatred about or religion,its about follwing God's word...
But you don't have a right to impose YOUR view of God's word on others.

No where in the Bible does it say that you have to force all other people to follow the 10 commandments. (And homosexuality isn't even in the top 10.)

No where in the Bible does it say that those who are not part of your religion should be denied the same rights that you get. In fact, the Prophets warn, over and over again, that God gets mightily ticked off when His People try to deny the rights of even the alien and the "goyim" in their land.

Okay, fine, homosexuality is a sin. Gotcha. Gay marriage is a sin. Roger that. So is denying Jesus. But in the US, sin is NOT the basis for rights. Those who deny Jesus should not be treated differently with regards to housing, jobs, schooling, health care, anything. And those who want to settle down and get married to someone who just happens to be the same gender as they are, and who want all the legal rights that married couples share, should have every right to do so, no matter how disgusting God thinks it is.

And if you honestly think God finds homosexuality that much more disgusting than eating pork, or forgetting to wash your feet before entering the temple, or, let's see, maybe judging another person, then you, my friend, are picking and choosing.

"Not that there's anything WRONG with that...."

why is it that when a Christian stands up for Jesus and his word we are accused of hatred or unacceptance..
It's not when you stand up for Jesus, it's only when you try to push those precepts on non-Christians that you get that label.

And why do you get that label? Because it fits. This is exactly what God sent the Prophets to warn the children of Israel about, this is exactly what God sent Jesus to teach us all about, and you STILL DON'T GET IT.
 

cavil51

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Gays have the same rights as cis people to be married and for that to happen people need to learn to respect them. People who insist on hating gays are wrong and need to be re-educated, it wont happen over night but starting with the kids is a natural starting point. Typically it is the parents who teach their kids to hate others who are different. There is no possible effect of including gays in the stated sponsored sex education that it will change a person's orientation, this is a hate filled lie perpetrated by Satan. Jesus never taught hate ever.
If you insist on hating gays then take your kids out of public schooling and you can teach them yourself or find some "Jesus camp" to indoctrinate them in you ways. But in the public schools tolerance must be taught and will be taught.

"Gays have the same rights as cis people to be married"
I do not know what you mean by ~cis~.
There is no ~right~ within the united states constitution addressing marriage, either heterosexual or homosexual.

"people need to learn to respect them"
Respect defined: is a particular, detail, or point (usually preceded by in ) i.e.: to differ in some respect.
Or, in your usage of the word:
esteem for or a sense of the worth or excellence of a person, a personal quality or ability, or something considered as a manifestation of a personal quality or ability.
What is there about an aberrant (departing from the right, normal, or usual course) lifestyle (to many) that should require all to honor it?
"Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: but in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him" Acts 10:34-35

"People who insist on hating gays"
Because i am not pro-homosexual i am a hater?
Are all those who ARE pro-homosexual, who are anti-straight, heterosexual haters?
You paint everyone with the same brush.
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. John 17:20-21

"are wrong and need to be re-educated,"
By what authority is it ~wrong~ and, be reeducated into what? tolerance for anything oppositional to what the bible states so clearly?
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 2 John 1:9

"it wont happen over night but starting with the kids is a natural starting point"
Another individual expressed that same sentiment:
"Give me a child when he's 7 and he's mine forever," Adolf Hitler
Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it. Proverbs 22:6

"Typically it is the parents who teach their kids to hate others who are different."
Teach them what? What the bible instructs the christian parent to do:
And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. Deuteronomy 6:6-7
OR
teach them an unbiblical personal agenda?
There is a way which seems right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. Proverbs 14:12

"There is no possible effect of including gays in the stated sponsored sex education that it will change a person's orientation,"
Orientation regarding what? An individuals sexual orientation or their attitude towards an individual who is insists that they accept their particular way of life no matter how oppositional it is to their personal beliefs?
And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom you will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD. Joshua 24:15

"this is a hate filled lie perpetrated by Satan."
Yes, lies are of the devil.
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." John 8:44
But,
Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD weighs the hearts. Proverbs 21:2

"Jesus never taught hate ever."
This would be an invalid statement
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. Luke 14:26
Conversely
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. John 13:34

"If you insist on hating gays then take your kids out of public schooling and you can teach them yourself or find some "Jesus camp" to indoctrinate them in you ways."
Are people taking their children out of public schools to teach them "hate" or are public schools becoming so ineffective to actually learning anything that caring parents have given up on the public school system?
Headline: A homeschooling movement is sweeping the nation – with 1.5 million children now learning at home, an increase of 75 percent since 1999.
Homeschooling goes boom in America
Deuteronomy 4:9 Only take heed to thyself, and keep thy soul diligently, lest thou forget the things which thine eyes have seen, and lest they depart from thy heart all the days of thy life: but teach them thy sons, and thy sons' sons;


"But in the public schools tolerance must be taught and will be taught."
Tolerance for what? sharia law, NAMBLA, NRA, the KKK?
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.*If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 2 John 1:9-10

I was really surprised that you did not also cite the homosexual agenda's usual "Jesus never said anything about marriage" argument.
Unfortunately, for you, He (Jesus) did define marriage.
Matthew 19:4-5 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

As this is a Christian web site, if you wish to base your arguments on the bible, go for it.
Unfortunately, everything you have said is merely your personal opinion.
 
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AgapeSpiritEyes

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Are we to ignore the examples of the record of God's judgement of those who allowed and gave into their fleshly desires? Sodom and Gomorah were not opposed by Lot or Abraham. Abraham even interceeded for them to no avail, flesh driven unlawfully (absent of God's words)into freedoms approval legalizedinto rights of society driven by the overpowering force of spirits of satan over man's lusts and disobedience, well do we dilute our stand mitigate it with nicities and reap the judgement of God as in those cities? Either we oppose the lies or subcome to tolerance as did Lot? Where do we go to escape judgement? Lot was delivered by mighty angels, our deliverance is not until we are snatched up(harpazo).Wallowing in proflicacies becomes easier to accept when those around you accept it also!It speads like a virus offering you false security Germany and Hitler etc..Whose kingdom are we creating a earthly utopia o rdo we proclaim and live the message prepare and beware for the Kingdom of God is coming.Tolerance legally consenting to unmitgated lusts of any kind is not compassion. Compassion is a intense Godly desire that you receive from God it is His desires to loosen the suffering of those overcome by all forms of death darkness and hate(all that is not Agape, love of the soulish and erotica are not Agape, feelings are not qualifiers of Agape) holy Agape is pure and purely from God. Feelings and desires of the flesh are what we have fallen from, from Agape to flesh desires this is what is driving the world of which we have a command and power to overcome and extent the Lord in our hearts with His compassion to pull them out of the fires of death hell and the lake of Fire.
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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There is no ~right~ within the united states constitution addressing marriage, either heterosexual or homosexual.
Actually, though it's not in the Bill of Rights, there are laws on our books, mostly at the state level, but a few at the national level, that grant certain rights based on marital status, and currently those rights are afforded ONLY to those in heterosexual marriages. So your statement is incorrect.

Because i am not pro-homosexual i am a hater?
I know a lot of people who are not homosexual but who have no problem with homosexuals having rights. Those people would not be haters. If you are in this number (as I am), then no, you're not a hater.

If you think homosexuals should have the same rights as heterosexuals, including the right to marry whomever they want, without regard to gender or number (limited of course consenting adults), then you are not a hater.

Otherwise, then yes, I'm sorry, but if the shoe fits..... And I don't need you to confess to me, or anyone on this board, where you fit. You only need to confess your sins to God. If you want to confess them publicly, you're certainly welcome to, and this is one of many forums where, I'd like to think, we would be loving and forgiving and gracious, as our Father is gracious. But judgment is not ours.

Are all those who ARE pro-homosexual, who are anti-straight, heterosexual haters?
I know a few people who hate straights. They call us "breeders" and want us all to go away. Yes, they do exist, too. I get where it comes from, but that doesn't make it right.

"But in the public schools tolerance must be taught and will be taught."
Tolerance for what? sharia law, NAMBLA, NRA, the KKK?
NAMBLA no, because it is against the law, and a very serious law called pedophilia.
As for Sharia law, we should tolerate it within other countries, but since it violates our own constitution (separation of church and state), then we cannot entertain "tolerating" it insofar as allowing it to be law here.
As for NRA and KKK, absolutely YES we need to tolerate them. Why not? As long as they do not break the law, we should ABSOLUTELY tolerate those who are different. Or who are the same. As long as the NRA does not start encouraging its members to overthrow the government through violent and unconstitutional means, they should be tolerated and even supported, as they protect our 2nd amendment rights. I disagree with them sometimes, but I do believe in the right to bear arms. And as for the KKK, I'd much rather have them out in the open, in the light, to see what they're doing, than drive them behind secret closed doors, and let them perpetuate their hate like cockroaches under the kitchen sink. By all means, let us tolerate the intolerant!