Who Would Have Ever Thought?!

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
H

HeavenlyWarrior

Banned
#1
Oct 27, 2012
300
5
0
#1
The HIV virus has long been talked about as being the "Gay disease". Well, of course we now know that it isn't exclusively confined to Gays as many Heterosexual people throughout the world have HIV and more are unfortunately getting it all the time. The surprising thing is that Lesbians are one group of people who appear to be fairly immune from this dreadful disease!

But what is most surprising is that HIV is now being used to cure leukaemia according to this article that has made headlines around the world! And who would have ever thought it possible to use this Virus that many have called "the wrath of God against Gays" to actually help SAVE lives! It is certainly true that God Works In Mysterious Ways!

The cancer girl cured by the HIV virus: Seven-year-old makes extraordinary recovery after U.S. doctors re-wire her immune system to destroy leukaemia cells: Girl, 7, beats leukaemia with revolutionary treatment using HIV virus to re-wire her immune system | Mail Online
 
L

loveme1

Senior Member
#2
Oct 30, 2011
8,083
190
63
#2
HeavenlyWarrior said:
The HIV virus has long been talked about as being the "Gay disease". Well, of course we now know that it isn't exclusively confined to Gays as many Heterosexual people throughout the world have HIV and more are unfortunately getting it all the time. The surprising thing is that Lesbians are one group of people who appear to be fairly immune from this dreadful disease!

But what is most surprising is that HIV is now being used to cure leukaemia according to this article that has made headlines around the world! And who would have ever thought it possible to use this Virus that many have called "the wrath of God against Gays" to actually help SAVE lives! It is certainly true that God Works In Mysterious Ways!

The cancer girl cured by the HIV virus: Seven-year-old makes extraordinary recovery after U.S. doctors re-wire her immune system to destroy leukaemia cells: Girl, 7, beats leukaemia with revolutionary treatment using HIV virus to re-wire her immune system | Mail Online
Click to expand...
What does this matter?
 
Nautilus

Nautilus

Senior Member
#3
Jun 29, 2012
6,488
53
48
#3
Ummmm well they cured a girl of leukemia using HIV....but I guess thats not important... Or its just funny that HIV, which many christians said was Gods punishment for homosexuals in the beginning, is know being used to actually cure other diseases.
 
E

eaglesweare

Guest
#4
#4
HIV is a virus. It's no punishment. Earthquakes happen not cause of God's wrath but because of the physics he put into making this world. Things like these are why I have troubl bcoming a christian.
 
sanglina

sanglina

Senior Member
#5
Jul 28, 2012
857
4
0
#5
HeavenlyWarrior said:
The HIV virus has long been talked about as being the "Gay disease". Well, of course we now know that it isn't exclusively confined to Gays as many Heterosexual people throughout the world have HIV and more are unfortunately getting it all the time. The surprising thing is that Lesbians are one group of people who appear to be fairly immune from this dreadful disease!
| Mail Online[/url]
Click to expand...


From where did you get the information that lesbians are immune from HIV virus??

HIV virus as far as I read, study and understand do not discriminate anyone on the basis of gender, caste, creed, age, race, nationality, or geography; they infect anyone and everyone that comes in contact with its way of transmission viz- unprotected sex with infected person, sharing of infected syringes, receiving infected blood transfusion, infected mother to child transmission, etc. I have never heard of lesbian or any other group of people who are immune to HIV infection.
 
Newluke

Newluke

Banned
#6
Nov 29, 2012
424
5
0
#6
It's too soon to draw ANY conclusions yet...
 
H

HeavenlyWarrior

Banned
#7
Oct 27, 2012
300
5
0
#7
sanglina said:
From where did you get the information that lesbians are immune from HIV virus??

HIV virus as far as I read, study and understand do not discriminate anyone on the basis of gender, caste, creed, age, race, nationality, or geography; they infect anyone and everyone that comes in contact with its way of transmission viz- unprotected sex with infected person, sharing of infected syringes, receiving infected blood transfusion, infected mother to child transmission, etc. I have never heard of lesbian or any other group of people who are immune to HIV infection.
Click to expand...
Ah good, at least I have got the conversation going by my word choice. The terms who appear (to be) "fairly immune" actually makes reference to Lesbians being at a Lower Risk to contracting HIV or AIDS compared to other groups. Of course if one goes out actively seeking to get AIDS no doubt they may be successful though some people's immune systems, science has pointed out and informed us, are healthy enough that they can resist the virus just as some can resist other viruses. But by and large Lesbians are at a lower risk due to their behavior for contracting the disease unless they share contaminated needles or engage in higher risk behavior which is not generally known to be the case with that group of women.

Here is where I first heard it from: Do lesbians have a lower risk of contracting HIV? http://www.collegemagazine.com/editorial/1646/Do-lesbians-have-a-lower-risk-of-contracting-HIV

There are other websites with this same type of information.
 
Last edited:
H

HeavenlyWarrior

Banned
#8
Oct 27, 2012
300
5
0
#8
loveme1 said:
What does this matter?
Click to expand...
It matters because medicine is now Progressing and finding cures for diseases formerly thought to be incurable.

We simply cannot discount the fact that medical science has informed us that the HIV virus that causes AIDS is now the apparent miraculous panacea to certain cancers! Others, besides this girl, have also received this treatment with Great Results! Let's put our prejudice aside. We must pray that soon we can eradicate any cancer with procedures such as this that can Save Many Lives!
 
T

Tatz

Guest
#9
#9
Very interesting read....
 
F

faithful1960

Guest
#10
#10
HeavenlyWarrier, I think thats quite interesting.. Was wondering. if these people who were cured will have to worry about contracting the virus itself. or if the cure only used parts of the virus..

If it is miraculous. it is just curious. the scripture:

Romans 8:28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose..

could very well be working in these people.. they may not be christians.... yet!! but maybe they are called to his purpose.. just a thought.. :)

Always looking for the posibilities.. !!!
 
Nautilus

Nautilus

Senior Member
#11
Jun 29, 2012
6,488
53
48
#11
the virus had been disabled and was used mainly to help 'rewrite' the helper-t cells.
 
sanglina

sanglina

Senior Member
#12
Jul 28, 2012
857
4
0
#12
HeavenlyWarrior said:
Ah good, at least I have got the conversation going by my word choice. The terms who appear (to be) "fairly immune" actually makes reference to Lesbians being at a Lower Risk to contracting HIV or AIDS compared to other groups. Of course if one goes out actively seeking to get AIDS no doubt they may be successful though some people's immune systems, science has pointed out and informed us, are healthy enough that they can resist the virus just as some can resist other viruses. But by and large Lesbians are at a lower risk due to their behavior for contracting the disease unless they share contaminated needles or engage in higher risk behavior which is not generally known to be the case with that group of women.

Here is where I first heard it from: Do lesbians have a lower risk of contracting HIV? http://www.collegemagazine.com/editorial/1646/Do-lesbians-have-a-lower-risk-of-contracting-HIV

There are other websites with this same type of information.
Click to expand...
I don't know how you understood '"immunity" but I have always understood "immunity" in the context of human body vis-a-vis infection as the ability to resist infections (bacteria, virus, fungus, etc, etc). For instance, monkeys are IMMUNE to HIV virus, so even if they are injected with HIV virus, they will not get AIDS. That being said, I have never read about any social group of people that are "fairly immune" or just immune to HIV virus. It may happened in the rarest of rare cases among individuals but not among a social group of people like lesbians in general.

But from the link that you provided and also from your explanation, looks like you meant to say lesbians have lower risks of contracting HIV virus and NOT IMMUNE (fairly).

Yes, there are some 'social group' of people such as IDUs', MSM, CSW/FSW who are relatively at a higher risks for HIV infection than 'others' as they tend to indulge in risky behaviour by which HIV virus is transmitted otherwise, human beings in general are not immune to HIV virus (at least not any that I am aware of).
 
H

HeavenlyWarrior

Banned
#13
Oct 27, 2012
300
5
0
#13
sanglina said:
I don't know how you understood '"immunity" but I have always understood "immunity" in the context of human body vis-a-vis infection as the ability to resist infections (bacteria, virus, fungus, etc, etc). For instance, monkeys are IMMUNE to HIV virus, so even if they are injected with HIV virus, they will not get AIDS. That being said, I have never read about any social group of people that are "fairly immune" or just immune to HIV virus. It may happened in the rarest of rare cases among individuals but not among a social group of people like lesbians in general.

But from the link that you provided and also from your explanation, looks like you meant to say lesbians have lower risks of contracting HIV virus and NOT IMMUNE (fairly).

My explanation was already given as to my 'word choice' in the matter designed to first solicit responses. Did you not read it? There was however, no misunderstanding about what I was going to say as further discourse as soon as a response was received. There's no further need to beleaguer this point.

Yes, there are some 'social group' of people such as IDUs', MSM, CSW/FSW who are relatively at a higher risks for HIV infection than 'others' as they tend to indulge in risky behaviour by which HIV virus is transmitted otherwise, human beings in general are not immune to HIV virus (at least not any that I am aware of).
Click to expand...
Well then I've got News for you! Actually there ARE some groups of people who are immune such as 10% of Caucasians and some Kenyan women, etc. It's in their genes. You need to go back and re-read my earlier posting in response to you. You will also find that I said " .... though some people's immune systems, science has pointed out and informed us, are healthy enough that they can resist the virus just as some can resist other viruses." Here I was making reference to those who are apparently immune to the disease as pointed out in the following two great websites.

Immune to HIV: How Do They Do It?
Amber Angelle: Immune to HIV: How Do They Do It? | LiveScience

Genetic HIV Resistance Deciphered
Randy Dotinga: Genetic HIV Resistance Deciphered
 
H

HeavenlyWarrior

Banned
#14
Oct 27, 2012
300
5
0
#14
faithful1960 said:
HeavenlyWarrier, I think thats quite interesting.. Was wondering. if these people who were cured will have to worry about contracting the virus itself. or if the cure only used parts of the virus..
Hi Faithful! I believe Nautilus has given a good answer to that. :)

If it is miraculous. it is just curious. the scripture:

Romans 8:28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose..

could very well be working in these people.. they may not be christians.... yet!! but maybe they are called to his purpose.. just a thought.. :)

Always looking for the posibilities.. !!!
Click to expand...
Yes! It appears that the HIV virus that may be found in some whom others may call by derogatory names due to their sexual orientation may very well be on its way to becoming the Miraculous Panacea to some Cancers!

Thank you for that Scripture! And yes, God could very well be working through some Homosexual people and others who may have HIV disease, as a CURE for the very people who despise and chastise Gays who may at some point be ill themselves with some form of Cancer, as a way to teach them a lesson about the prejudice and condemnation of those whom they do not understand! And He could also, as you say, be working with Non-Christians with HIV disease to show them the miraculous power of God. That's why the subject name of this posting.

I do however, wonder if any of those who still oppose those with AIDS and HIV disease would become ill themselves with Cancer and would find themselves having to make a decision as to whether to use this treatment or not, if they would do it in order to save their own life thereby possibly carrying remnants of the disease of a Gay person or another, whom they so despised, forever in their body?
 
F

flight316

Guest
#15
#15
Yeah I know, if we didn't have to deal with "people" being a christian we be a breeze. Ah, what the heck, I think I'll be one anyway.
 
F

flight316

Guest
#16
#16
eaglesweare said:
HIV is a virus. It's no punishment. Earthquakes happen not cause of God's wrath but because of the physics he put into making this world. Things like these are why I have troubl bcoming a christian.
Click to expand...
Sorry, meant to insert this quote
 
shrimp

shrimp

Senior Member
#17
Aug 28, 2011
1,188
39
48
#17
So wait, what happens when a person who gets cured of leukemia contracts the HIV virus?
 
H

HeavenlyWarrior

Banned
#18
Oct 27, 2012
300
5
0
#18
shrimp said:
So wait, what happens when a person who gets cured of leukemia contracts the HIV virus?
Click to expand...
Warm greetings, Shrimp -- For the answer to your question, please go to the main article found at: Girl, 7, beats leukaemia with revolutionary treatment using HIV virus to re-wire her immune system | Mail Online and scroll down to the dark blue box entitled "THE PIONEERING THERAPY THAT REWIRES THE IMMUNE SYSTEM TO FIGHT CANCER" and read the short seventh paragraph (in lighter blue). Thanks for your question!
 
H

HeavenlyWarrior

Banned
#19
Oct 27, 2012
300
5
0
#19
HeavenlyWarrior said:
Warm greetings, Shrimp -- For the answer to your question, please go to the main article found at: Girl, 7, beats leukaemia with revolutionary treatment using HIV virus to re-wire her immune system | Mail Online and scroll down to the dark blue box entitled "THE PIONEERING THERAPY THAT REWIRES THE IMMUNE SYSTEM TO FIGHT CANCER" and read the short seventh **paragraph (in lighter blue). Thanks for your question!
Click to expand...

Hi again, Shrimp, Actually, it is not even a paragraph, it is a short sentence which should make it even easier for you and others to look at and find your answer! :)
 
shrimp

shrimp

Senior Member
#20
Aug 28, 2011
1,188
39
48
#20
Thank you, Heavenly Warrior. This is very interesting. Hopefully, this will lead to more helpful and life saving discoveries.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.