Ambassador Stevens

[Therapon]

Cynthia Lee Meyers (cousin of one man who was killed)

If this doesn't make you mad.......................


Cynthia Lee Myers (cousin of one man who was killed) Wanted to share the truth of what happened over in Libya , you will not find this in the media yet but it airs tonight on FNC.....please read....


"Here is my story. A week out the Embassy in Tripoli began receiving multiple tips about an Al Queda cell in the area planning an attack on 9/11 in response to the killing of Bin Laden. For the next several days, the state dept and WH were asked for a security force and were denied at least six times. Ambassador Stevens and his team were given the all clear that The Consulate in Benghazi was safe and there was no need for a security force other than his 3 personal guards (One being my cousin) and a few Libyans who were not armed.

Then the attack and murders occurred. Immediately the WH claimed it was a protest gone bad over a you tube video. Obama made a quick speech in the Rose Garden on Sept.12 before catching a plane to Vegas to campaign. He made a generic statement at the end of his speech after placing the blame on an overheated protest over the video. He said "No act of terror will shake the resolve of America . Later that day and over the next 2 days, the liberal media began saying Ambassador Stevens and the other 3 men died of smoke inhalation. This was not the case. Out of respect for my cousin, I'm not going to be specific about his murder. However Ambassador Stevens was brutally murdered. His genitals were cut off, he was sodomized and beaten and cut and stabbed and burned. He was drug thru the streets and left for dead. This is eyewitness testimony of a local Dr. Who found the Ambassador in a ditch and tried to save his life. He had no idea who he was.

The other 3 men, including my cousin, met similar fates. And deaths due to smoke inhalation is a 100% fabricated LIE. The next week I drove my aunt and Uncle and 2 others to DC to receive his body. We met with Hillary, Panetta, and Susan Rice. ALL of whom apologized and said it was a protest gone bad over a video and exited the area. Next Obama entered with the same story and didn't apologize and wasn't sympathetic. My aunt cried to this man and all he did was hand her flowers and walk away. I tried to get his attention, but didn't. I got upset and yelled liar to him, he kept walking. Then a secret svc agent grabbed my arm and led me to a room where I was held till the proceedings were over.

America, I saw firsthand how cold this man is. What kind of liar he is. Most of you haven't a clue about this tyrant and yet you support him. And act like every word he says is Gospel. These murders and the fast and furious cover ups make water gate look like, a kid who told his bff's secret to the class. We must stop this man, and please pass this story along."

.....and you voted for whom?

 

[Nautilus]

I voted for him...and would again. Sorry he wasnt sympathetic enough for this woman.

 

[HumbledOutright]

I personally believe that Obama is corrupt, anti-Christian and a Muslim sympathiser. I think he is dangerous and he deliberately did nothing to prevent the attacks in Benghazi. I think that people who voted for him have been deceived. I know that you shouldn't judge people but you can judge their actions and if I'm wrong about Obama then I am wrong. If I'm proven wrong then I will admit that I am wrong.
I know that Obama voters will not be happy with me for saying this!

 

[Therapon]

I personally believe that Obama is corrupt, anti-Christian and a Muslim sympathiser. I think he is dangerous and he deliberately did nothing to prevent the attacks in Benghazi. I think that people who voted for him have been deceived. I know that you shouldn't judge people but you can judge their actions and if I'm wrong about Obama then I am wrong. If I'm proven wrong then I will admit that I am wrong. I know that Obama voters will not be happy with me for saying this!

You're not wrong. All the evidence isn't in yet, but no truth can be hidden forever.

As far as the "Joe-sixpacks" of the world are concerned: there's not much you can do about deception and no darkness is as dark as self-inflicted blindness. Irt's just like John Wayne said, "Life's hard, it's even harder if you're stupid."

 

[Therapon]

I personally believe that Obama is corrupt, anti-Christian and a Muslim sympathiser. I think he is dangerous and he deliberately did nothing to prevent the attacks in Benghazi.

This is what I sent to one timorous Christian who thought it proper to submit to the tyranny of a Muslim "community organizer". . .

“We have been granted certain rights by God and incidentally by the 2nd Amendment to our Constitution. North Korea’s “political” prisons, Stalin’s gulags, Chairman Mau’s mass elimination of dissidents, Pol Pot’s million murders, Muslim slaughter of two million Christians in the Sudan and Nazi Germany’s concentration camps are examples of what happens when peoples are disarmed and can’t defend themselves. Those mass murders are the absolute ultimate in wickedness and must be resisted, even at the cost of one’s own life. I’m not critical of those who willingly go chained to some government “relocation camp”, I just don’t happen to be one of them so I’ll probably die on my doorstep.”

 

[HumbledOutright]

This is what I sent to one timorous Christian who thought it proper to submit to the tyranny of a Muslim "community organizer". . .

“We have been granted certain rights by God and incidentally by the 2nd Amendment to our Constitution. North Korea’s “political” prisons, Stalin’s gulags, Chairman Mau’s mass elimination of dissidents, Pol Pot’s million murders, Muslim slaughter of two million Christians in the Sudan and Nazi Germany’s concentration camps are examples of what happens when peoples are disarmed and can’t defend themselves. Those mass murders are the absolute ultimate in wickedness and must be resisted, even at the cost of one’s own life. I’m not critical of those who willingly go chained to some government “relocation camp”, I just don’t happen to be one of them so I’ll probably die on my doorstep.”

Quite right, too. I'd rather die to God than be a slave to Satan and all his Earthly enablers. Unfortunately I live in a partially-disabled nation, but a nation I hope that still retains the spirit of the Lord.

 

[Therapon]

Quite right, too. I'd rather die to God than be a slave to Satan and all his Earthly enablers. Unfortunately I live in a partially-disabled nation, but a nation I hope that still retains the spirit of the Lord.

I wish you well, brother.

 

[pickles]

What still amazes me to this day, is the first timeI saw Obama.
He was not yet running for president.
What I saw in the news was a man whom the people were treating as I had never seen before.
Almost as worshiping him.
I was shocked as I saw only deception, and a voice inside saying he will bring destruction.
I was shocked as I had never had this happen before.
But as the years have passed, I have come to know that voice was a comfort.
For because this knowladge given, lets me know that we all are in God's hands.
I am greatful for this comfort, simply because, no matter what the future holds, we who love Jesus?
Will not be taken from His hand.
May we continue to pray for our leaders, for their salvation, and the salvation of all.

God bless
pickles

 

[Therapon]

What still amazes me to this day, is the first timeI saw Obama.
He was not yet running for president.
What I saw in the news was a man whom the people were treating as I had never seen before.
Almost as worshiping him.
I was shocked as I saw only deception, and a voice inside saying he will bring destruction.
I was shocked as I had never had this happen before.
But as the years have passed, I have come to know that voice was a comfort.
For because this knowladge given, lets me know that we all are in God's hands.
I am greatful for this comfort, simply because, no matter what the future holds, we who love Jesus?
Will not be taken from His hand.
May we continue to pray for our leaders, for their salvation, and the salvation of all.

God bless
pickles

On the other hand, David prayed, "I hate them who hate Thee O God," so my prayer for some time has been that the Lord will take down this wicked government.

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

I personally believe that Obama is corrupt,

I actually agree with you ... and I voted for him the first time. But he is less corrupt than most politicians, which isn't saying much.

anti-Christian and a Muslim sympathiser.

While there is significant evidence for his corruption, and you can certainly find reason to dislike him on any of his policies (pro-abortion, pro-gay rights, anti-gun, just to name a few), you have zero evidence for the above, and I'm really tired of people accusing Obama or anyone of being "anti-Christian" just because they disagree. Not all Christians believe that abortion is murder. Not all Christians believe that non-Christians are going to hell. I can understand that you may disagree -- even vehemently -- with someone who believes these things. And you have the right to disagree. But to call them "anti-Christian" (let alone "non-Christian") just because they disagree with you is really insulting, not just to him, but to Jesus who is Mr. Obama's Lord and Savior as well as yours. I don't think Jesus takes your insults of His children lightly.

Personally, I don't understand how anyone can call oneself a Christian and remain in the Republican party. The party holds too many views that run contrary to the party line. And yet I know hundreds, maybe thousands, of people who love Jesus with all their heart, and yet vote Republican, and support many items on the Republican platform -- those very items that I find incompatible with Jesus' teaching. I don't like it. I disagree with them. And when they let me, I tell them respectfully why I disagree, using Jesus' own words from Scripture. But I will not question their commitment to Christ, or their salvation. That is not for me to decide, nor for any human to decide.

And yes, I know a lot of Democrats who are disrespectful towards Republicans. I call them on it whenever I see it. Two wrongs do not make a right, and retorts such as this have really got to stop ... on BOTH sides.

I know that Obama voters will not be happy with me for saying this!

I don't mind your criticism of his policies. I know he has been less than honest with the American people. You may very well be right about his involvement with and/or his knowledge of the riots last fall. I don't think anyone will ever be able to prove anything one way or another.

I do not begrudge you these comments, to his actions and policies. The only problem I have is when you claim that he is not a Christian, or even worse, as you did, to claim that he is "anti-Christian." With all due respect (and you have very little due, considering your comments), that is NOT your decision to make.

And you shouldn't care whether those who voted for Obama are "happy with you" or not. Nor does it matter if those who did not vote for Obama (as I did not, this second time through) are "happy with you." What matters is what Jesus thinks. And Jesus has made it pretty clear what he thinks of people who try to usurp his power and tell him whom he is allowed to save or not.

I would be a little less concerned about what people who voted one way or another think, and a little more concerned about what Jesus thinks.

 

[HumbledOutright]

I actually agree with you ... and I voted for him the first time. But he is less corrupt than most politicians, which isn't saying much.


While there is significant evidence for his corruption, and you can certainly find reason to dislike him on any of his policies (pro-abortion, pro-gay rights, anti-gun, just to name a few), you have zero evidence for the above, and I'm really tired of people accusing Obama or anyone of being "anti-Christian" just because they disagree. Not all Christians believe that abortion is murder. Not all Christians believe that non-Christians are going to hell. I can understand that you may disagree -- even vehemently -- with someone who believes these things. And you have the right to disagree. But to call them "anti-Christian" (let alone "non-Christian") just because they disagree with you is really insulting, not just to him, but to Jesus who is Mr. Obama's Lord and Savior as well as yours. I don't think Jesus takes your insults of His children lightly.

Personally, I don't understand how anyone can call oneself a Christian and remain in the Republican party. The party holds too many views that run contrary to the party line. And yet I know hundreds, maybe thousands, of people who love Jesus with all their heart, and yet vote Republican, and support many items on the Republican platform -- those very items that I find incompatible with Jesus' teaching. I don't like it. I disagree with them. And when they let me, I tell them respectfully why I disagree, using Jesus' own words from Scripture. But I will not question their commitment to Christ, or their salvation. That is not for me to decide, nor for any human to decide.

And yes, I know a lot of Democrats who are disrespectful towards Republicans. I call them on it whenever I see it. Two wrongs do not make a right, and retorts such as this have really got to stop ... on BOTH sides.


I don't mind your criticism of his policies. I know he has been less than honest with the American people. You may very well be right about his involvement with and/or his knowledge of the riots last fall. I don't think anyone will ever be able to prove anything one way or another.

I do not begrudge you these comments, to his actions and policies. The only problem I have is when you claim that he is not a Christian, or even worse, as you did, to claim that he is "anti-Christian." With all due respect (and you have very little due, considering your comments), that is NOT your decision to make.

And you shouldn't care whether those who voted for Obama are "happy with you" or not. Nor does it matter if those who did not vote for Obama (as I did not, this second time through) are "happy with you." What matters is what Jesus thinks. And Jesus has made it pretty clear what he thinks of people who try to usurp his power and tell him whom he is allowed to save or not.

I would be a little less concerned about what people who voted one way or another think, and a little more concerned about what Jesus thinks.

I've never tried to tell Jesus who he can and cannot save. Maybe Mr. Barack Obama needs to be saved. If he really is anti-Christian then perhaps he needs to be saved, don't you think? If he is not anti-Christian then he sure has a funny way of showing it.
You say that it is not my decision to make whether Obama is anti-Christian or not, okay, I'll buy that. But if we're going to walk this particular walk then it's not my decision to decide whether anyone is anti-Christian or not, and that must include Stalin, Hitler, Osama Bin Laden, the man next door, my wife, your wife, in fact anyone at all. Next time you see Satan, don't judge him, after all it's not your decision to decide whether he is anti-Christian or not!
You see, Obama doesn't behave like a Christian, he tells lies, he puts Muslim terrorists into responsible positions in U.S. government, he supports anti-Christian policies, his policies put U.S. troops in danger,he undermines the constitution, he mocks the U.S. flag, he refuses to be open about his birth certificate or his citizenship, he scorns Israel... but hey, let's not call him anti-Christian shall we? After all who are we to judge? Maybe he's a saint who's trying to pretend that he's not a saint by not acting like one. Good disguise, Barack?
Oh, and you say that I have zero evidence, why is that? Is it because I've not discussed the evidence? Maybe. But I don't think that this forum is the place to discuss all the evidence is it? But then again, I have no evidence that Hitler hated Jews and had six million of them murdered have I? I didn't witness it. I didn't see it with my own eyes. I only know what I read in the history books. Maybe the books are all wrong.
Another thing, what has the Republican party got to do with it? So, you think that their policies might be anti-Christian. Maybe, maybe not. It doesn't let Obama off the hook does it? In fact, if the best defence you have of Obama, is to criticise the Republicans, then what does that say? It says nothing. A criminal doesn't stand in front of a judge and defend himself by saying that there are others who commit crimes too. He is no less guilty because of that.

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

You see, Obama doesn't behave like a Christian,

Neither do you.

So, you think that their policies might be anti-Christian. Maybe, maybe not. It doesn't let Obama off the hook does it?

Of course not. If you had bothered to read my post instead of just scanning it and attacking it, you would see that I, too, do judge Obama for his actions. No one has a right to judge his salvation or his walk with God, but we absolutely have a right -- in fact, a responsibility -- to judge actions. Yes, he has lied and shall be held accountable for them. He has been far more blood-thirsty than I would have liked to see, and I believe this will be a judgment against him as well.

Is he worse or better than any other sinner, you or I? I wouldn't begin to know how to measure that, and I wouldn't want to try. This is why we cannot judge him, only his actions.

In fact, if the best defence you have of Obama, is to criticise the Republicans, then what does that say?

My criticism of the Republican party platform is in no way a "defense" of our current president (who just happens to belong to the other party). My criticism of the Republican party platform stands on its own, and will remain in opposition to Jesus' teachings unless and until the party changes its platform in those areas where it is contrary to Jesus' teachings. Jesus' teachings are never going to change to meet with either party's politics.

I have no defense of Obama's actions. It is not my job to defend him. I only defend Jesus Christ. Where the world condemns Christ, so I condemn the world. Where the world attacks Christ, so I attack the world. When you claim authority to determine the salvation of another human being, you are attacking Jesus, and for THAT I shall defend him. As I have said repeatedly, I find Mr. Obama's actions equally objectionable and therefore have no reason to want to defend those.

 

[Ritter]

I'm getting a sense of dejavu here. I did more than just support the GOP and Mitt Romney this past cycle, but I find no evidence that the man is a Muslim or a sympathizer with the jihad. A Chicago gangster and liberal ideologue, yes.

Given what I've read (and I have read a good deal more on the subject than when it was last opened up), Barack Obama's religion is ultimately Barack Obama. He reminds me very much of some politically active Republicans I have no love for; attempting to find a religion that conforms more to his views than a humbling, saving knowledge of God.

 

[RickShafer]

I can't stand fence riders.
I can't stomach those who stand half way for truth.
"A little in, a little out".......such luke warmness is not found in the gospel of Jesus Christ anywhere.
But they always have a reason,......at the judgement seat they will sound with clarion calls their reasons.
"Well, I couldn't do this because...."
"Well, I couldn't say that because...."
"Well, I couldn't defend the unborn because......"
So many reasons,.......so little time. - (because it is eternity, time no more)
(And no more excuses)

 

[HumbledOutright]

Neither do you.


Of course not. If you had bothered to read my post instead of just scanning it and attacking it, you would see that I, too, do judge Obama for his actions. No one has a right to judge his salvation or his walk with God, but we absolutely have a right -- in fact, a responsibility -- to judge actions. Yes, he has lied and shall be held accountable for them. He has been far more blood-thirsty than I would have liked to see, and I believe this will be a judgment against him as well.

Is he worse or better than any other sinner, you or I? I wouldn't begin to know how to measure that, and I wouldn't want to try. This is why we cannot judge him, only his actions.


My criticism of the Republican party platform is in no way a "defense" of our current president (who just happens to belong to the other party). My criticism of the Republican party platform stands on its own, and will remain in opposition to Jesus' teachings unless and until the party changes its platform in those areas where it is contrary to Jesus' teachings. Jesus' teachings are never going to change to meet with either party's politics.

I have no defense of Obama's actions. It is not my job to defend him. I only defend Jesus Christ. Where the world condemns Christ, so I condemn the world. Where the world attacks Christ, so I attack the world. When you claim authority to determine the salvation of another human being, you are attacking Jesus, and for THAT I shall defend him. As I have said repeatedly, I find Mr. Obama's actions equally objectionable and therefore have no reason to want to defend those.

And if you'd bothered to read my post instead of attacking me, then you will see that in no way have I tried to usurp Christ and tell him who he can and cannot save! I have never, ever claimed that I have the authority to determine the salvation of another human being. You are criticising the Republicans, does that mean that you are determining their salvation, or are we only 'playing at being Christ' when we criticise Obama?

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

And if you'd bothered to read my post instead of attacking me,

Sorry, that doesn't work. I did read your post. I commented on specific points you made. I showed that I had read and understood what you wrote, and responded accordingly. And, once again, while you have clearly read parts of my post (the first sentence, for example) you clearly either did not read or have chosen to ignore large parts of it.

You are criticising the Republicans, does that mean that you are determining their salvation, or are we only 'playing at being Christ' when we criticise Obama?

I made a very clear distinction. I stated that the difference between judging a person's salvation and judging their actions was that one was sin, and the other was a requirement among Christian brothers and sisters.

And I also criticized Obama's actions, fairly harshly. So again, you have shown that you either did not read the post or are willfully ignoring it for some foolish or prideful reason that I honestly cannot fathom.

Honestly, I want to know: did you choose to skip over the remainder of my post (after reading the first sentence) just assuming that you knew what the rest would say?

Or did you read what I wrote, and then chose to ignore it rather than admit that we are actually agreeing about quite a lot in this matter?

And if the later, why would you do that? What do you have to gain from playing a fool?

Actually, I don't understand why anyone would do the former, either. If you don't want to read what I take the time and care to explain, I am not in the least insulted. I'm not so prideful to think that anyone cares what I have to say. But if you're not going to read what I write, why would you bother to respond to it, without reading it? That's where I am completely confused.

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

I can't stand fence riders.
I can't stomach those who stand half way for truth.
"A little in, a little out".......such luke warmness is not found in the gospel of Jesus Christ anywhere.
But they always have a reason,......at the judgement seat they will sound with clarion calls their reasons.
"Well, I couldn't do this because...."
"Well, I couldn't say that because...."
"Well, I couldn't defend the unborn because......"
So many reasons,.......so little time. - (because it is eternity, time no more)
(And no more excuses)

I think there's a difference between riding the fence and being vehemently on the other side. I know a lot of Christians who are pro-abortion-rights not because they are "fence riders," as you put it, but because they honestly believe that it is better to have abortion remain legal with minimal restrictions to access than to have it become illegal again. I'm not sure if that's the only issue you were referring to, or if you're referring to all issues; I can think of a lot of other examples in other issues, where some Christians are, as you say, "fence-riders," but others are just on the other side of the fence than you -- because they read the words of Christ and get something different from them than what you get. Not saying one way is right and the other is wrong.

Paul said the "luke warm" was wrong, that we should be either hot or cold. He didn't say hot was wrong and cold was right (or vice-versa). To me, that seems to mean that as long as your reasons for having some political opinion tie back to Jesus, if your view ends up being different than someone else's, the conviction is more important than the opinion. At least, that is what I think Paul is saying.

 

[HumbledOutright]

Sorry, that doesn't work. I did read your post. I commented on specific points you made. I showed that I had read and understood what you wrote, and responded accordingly. And, once again, while you have clearly read parts of my post (the first sentence, for example) you clearly either did not read or have chosen to ignore large parts of it.


I made a very clear distinction. I stated that the difference between judging a person's salvation and judging their actions was that one was sin, and the other was a requirement among Christian brothers and sisters.

And I also criticized Obama's actions, fairly harshly. So again, you have shown that you either did not read the post or are willfully ignoring it for some foolish or prideful reason that I honestly cannot fathom.

Honestly, I want to know: did you choose to skip over the remainder of my post (after reading the first sentence) just assuming that you knew what the rest would say?

Or did you read what I wrote, and then chose to ignore it rather than admit that we are actually agreeing about quite a lot in this matter?

And if the later, why would you do that? What do you have to gain from playing a fool?

Actually, I don't understand why anyone would do the former, either. If you don't want to read what I take the time and care to explain, I am not in the least insulted. I'm not so prideful to think that anyone cares what I have to say. But if you're not going to read what I write, why would you bother to respond to it, without reading it? That's where I am completely confused.

I actually read your post word for word, but the proof is in the pudding. If Obama acts hostile towards Christianity (which he has) then I have every right to say that he is anti-Christian. You're quick to judge the Republican party. Here in your own words:

Quote:
Personally, I don't understand how anyone can call oneself a Christian and remain in the Republican party.
Unquote.

By your own words you're saying that people who are in the Republican party do not have the right to call themselves Christians. Are you saying therefore that they are not Christians? You have judged yourself by your own standards!

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

I actually read your post word for word, but the proof is in the pudding.

Okay, perhaps you did read my posts. My next question is, are you twisting my words and bearing false witness maliciously and purposely being obtuse, or did you honestly not understand my point? If you just misunderstood me, then I will try to be more clear. However, since I've restated three times, and you continue to twist my words and take things out of context to make it sound like I am saying the opposite of what I am actually saying, it's becoming harder and harder for me to believe that you are anything more than an atheist troll posing as a Christian and maliciously disturbing matters here in an attempt to make Christians look bad.

If Obama acts hostile towards Christianity (which he has) then I have every right to say that he is anti-Christian.

You are acting extremely hostile towards me, a devout Christian. Do I have the right to say that you are anti-Christian? (I would say no, I do not have that right.) Are you anti-Christian just because you are hostile towards me? (I would say no, you are not, but you seem to be saying that you are.)

For the records (though I know you can and probably will twist my words above), I do not think you are anti-Christian. I think there's a chance you might be, but I would rather believe that you just aren't stopping to think about what you are writing, and that is why you are being hostile towards me.

Quote:
Personally, I don't understand how anyone can call oneself a Christian and remain in the Republican party.
Unquote.

You conveniently chopped out the sentence immediately following that one, in which I stated very clearly that I know hundreds and possibly thousands of people who are both good, God-loving Christians and also members of the Republican party. Did you "forget" that I wrote that? Did you miss that part? Or did you realize that if you had included that sentence in the quote, it would have made it harder for you to "prove" that I'm wrong and you're right? Because, after all, it is most important to prove that you are right and that I am wrong. That is more important in these boards than trying to understand what another person is actually saying. These boards certainly aren't designed for people to find common ground amid disagreement. (That is sarcasm, by the way, in case you couldn't tell.)

It seems to me that if a person were truly Christian, they would be less concerned about twisting another person's words to make them look bad, and more concerned about trying to come together and find common ground. On the other hand, if I were an atheist troll, coming onto a board with the sole purpose of causing strife and discord, I would twist others' words, posting their comments out of context, and deliberately mis-quote them to make it sound like they were saying something other than what they were saying.

I cannot judge for sure which you are. However, every post you have made seems more and more like the later, and less and less like the former. I keep giving you opportunities to find that common ground. I have provided numerous "outs" for you, ways for you to say, "Oh, yes, of course that's what I meant," that would salvage both of us, this conversation, and allow you to come out not looking like an atheist troll. I honestly can't understand why you reject every offer.

Do you want to start again from scratch, or just admit that you are the troll you're behaving like and go away?

 

[HumbledOutright]

Okay, perhaps you did read my posts. My next question is, are you twisting my words and bearing false witness maliciously and purposely being obtuse, or did you honestly not understand my point? If you just misunderstood me, then I will try to be more clear. However, since I've restated three times, and you continue to twist my words and take things out of context to make it sound like I am saying the opposite of what I am actually saying, it's becoming harder and harder for me to believe that you are anything more than an atheist troll posing as a Christian and maliciously disturbing matters here in an attempt to make Christians look bad.


You are acting extremely hostile towards me, a devout Christian. Do I have the right to say that you are anti-Christian? (I would say no, I do not have that right.) Are you anti-Christian just because you are hostile towards me? (I would say no, you are not, but you seem to be saying that you are.)

For the records (though I know you can and probably will twist my words above), I do not think you are anti-Christian. I think there's a chance you might be, but I would rather believe that you just aren't stopping to think about what you are writing, and that is why you are being hostile towards me.



You conveniently chopped out the sentence immediately following that one, in which I stated very clearly that I know hundreds and possibly thousands of people who are both good, God-loving Christians and also members of the Republican party. Did you "forget" that I wrote that? Did you miss that part? Or did you realize that if you had included that sentence in the quote, it would have made it harder for you to "prove" that I'm wrong and you're right? Because, after all, it is most important to prove that you are right and that I am wrong. That is more important in these boards than trying to understand what another person is actually saying. These boards certainly aren't designed for people to find common ground amid disagreement. (That is sarcasm, by the way, in case you couldn't tell.)

It seems to me that if a person were truly Christian, they would be less concerned about twisting another person's words to make them look bad, and more concerned about trying to come together and find common ground. On the other hand, if I were an atheist troll, coming onto a board with the sole purpose of causing strife and discord, I would twist others' words, posting their comments out of context, and deliberately mis-quote them to make it sound like they were saying something other than what they were saying.

I cannot judge for sure which you are. However, every post you have made seems more and more like the later, and less and less like the former. I keep giving you opportunities to find that common ground. I have provided numerous "outs" for you, ways for you to say, "Oh, yes, of course that's what I meant," that would salvage both of us, this conversation, and allow you to come out not looking like an atheist troll. I honestly can't understand why you reject every offer.

Do you want to start again from scratch, or just admit that you are the troll you're behaving like and go away?

I really don’t know what your problem is, nor why you are so vindictive towards me. Your contradictions are baffling.
I’m not the only person on this thread who has criticised Obama. A previous poster said “Barack Obama's religion is ultimately Barack Obama.” So according to this statement he’s not a Christian then. You actually added a ‘like’ to his post. Why is that? Please explain.
I’m not allowed to say that Obama is not a Christian but this poster can and you seem to like that. Your hypocrisy is astonishing.

In your own words:
“The only problem I have is when you claim that he is not a Christian,”
(me that is, but apparently nobody else)


So far you've accused me of not behaving like a Christian, playing the fool, now you call me a troll, and finally, when I give an answer that you don’t like, you accuse me of not reading your posts!
I don't recall name-calling you once. I'm not a troll. I contributed to this thread before you came along and started pointing the finger at me, but if you want to continue name-calling, feel free!