Bill 374 Requires Home-Schooled Children to Receive a Behavioural Health Assessment

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zone

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Senate Bill 374: Requires Homeschooled Children Ages 12, 14, and 17 to Receive a Behavioral Health Assessment

Sponsors:
Senator Toni Nathaniel Harp and Representative Toni E. Walker

Summary:
This proposed bill would require homeschooled children ages 12, 14, and 17 to have a "behavioral health assessment." The health care provider performing the assessment would be required to complete a form designed by the State Board of Education verifying that the assessment had been completed.

HSLDA's Position:
This assessment would constitute an unwarranted, gross invasion of family privacy. This bill should be opposed.

Senate Bill 374: Requires Homeschooled Children Ages 12, 14, and 17 to Receive a Behavioral Health Assessment | HSLDA < click
 
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These walls keep getting a little tighter...
 

shrimp

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It's almost suffocating!
 

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I don't see the big deal with this. So 3 times during a home-schooled child's life the parents would have to get a professional to check if there are any mental or behavioral issues the child might have that the parents might overlook? I think its a pretty good thing. I have known people in the past who have come out of home-schooling who had mental disorders/abnormalities that had been covered up because their parents kept them so secluded. This would help children in that situation get the help they need when they are younger rather than get diagnosed with the disorder after they turn 18 and lost the financial support of their family.
 
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RoboOp

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HSLDA's Position:
This assessment would constitute an unwarranted, gross invasion of family privacy. This bill should be opposed.
I agree with the HSLDA. If I want a "professional" to see my kids for whatever reason, I, the parent, can arrange that as I see fit, for my own children. And who are these government-appointed "professionals"?? I've had dealings with some of them, and honestly, they are the ones who need help.

So, thanks but no thanks.
 

Nautilus

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I dont know I think parents can be blind or in denial of mental or behavioral issues their own children may have, so having them see someone professionally outside of the family is probably good. Its just like the counselors and stuff in a normal school.

Also RoboOp you look frighteningly similar to the actor who plays Stannis Baratheon on Game of Thrones.
 
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psychomom

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*swipes forehead with back of hand*

glad we're done with homeschooling, so far as the gov't can be legally involved.
we were in the fight at the beginning, back in the 1980's, to legalize it,
and God was for us. :)

We were there for the Battle of HR6 in '94, and we overloaded the congressional phone lines ( :) ),
and God was for us, and gave overwhelming victory. :)
I remember seeing Dick Armey laughing on C-SPAN saying that if the American people were going to be interested in and knowledgable of things so arcane as congressional rules and procedure, they should consider themselves vanquished.

And we will be with this generation of homeschoolers, God willing, in prayer and actively petitioning Congress,
so that they can educate their own children without further restrictions from Big Brother.
 

zone

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I don't see the big deal with this. So 3 times during a home-schooled child's life the parents would have to get a professional to check if there are any mental or behavioral issues the child might have that the parents might overlook? I think its a pretty good thing. I have known people in the past who have come out of home-schooling who had mental disorders/abnormalities that had been covered up because their parents kept them so secluded. This would help children in that situation get the help they need when they are younger rather than get diagnosed with the disorder after they turn 18 and lost the financial support of their family.
"Every child in America entering school at the age of five is insane because he comes to school with certain allegiances to our founding fathers, toward our elected officials, toward his parents, toward a belief in a supernatural being, and toward the sovereignty of this nation as a separate entity. It’s up to you as teachers to make all these sick children well – by creating the international child of the future"
Dr. Chester M. Pierce, Psychiatrist, address to the Childhood International Education Seminar, 1973

"We have swallowed all manner of poisonous certainties fed us by our parents, our Sunday and day school teachers, our politicians, our priests, our newspapers, and others with a vested interest in controlling us. ‘Thou shalt become as gods, knowing good and evil,’ good and evil with which to keep children under control, with which to impose local and familial and national loyalties and with which to blind children to their glorious intellectual heritage… The results, the inevitable results, are frustration, inferiority, neurosis and inability to enjoy living, to reason clearly or to make a world fit to live in."
Dr. G. Brock Chisholm, President, World Federation of Mental Health

Teaching school children to read was a "perversion" and high literacy rate bred "the sustaining force behind individualism."
John Dewey, Educational Psychologist

The school curriculum should "…be designed to bend the student to the realities of society, especially by way of vocational education… the curriculum should be designed to promote mental health as an instrument for social progress and a means of altering culture…"
Report: Action for Mental Health, 1961

"Education should aim at destroying free will so that after pupils are thus schooled they will be incapable throughout the rest of their lives of thinking or acting otherwise than as their school masters would have wished ... The social psychologist of the future will have a number of classes of school children on whom they will try different methods of producing an unshakable conviction that snow is black. Various results will soon be arrived at: first, that influences of the home are 'obstructive' and verses set to music and repeatedly intoned are very effective ... It is for the future scientist to make these maxims precise and discover exactly how much it costs per head to make children believe that snow is black. When the technique has been perfected, every government that has been in charge of education for more than one generation will be able to control its subjects securely without the need of armies or policemen."
Bertrand Russell quoting Johann Gottlieb Fichte, the head of philosophy & psychology who influenced Hegel and others – Prussian University in Berlin, 1810

"…through schools of the world we shall disseminate a new conception of government – one that will embrace all of the collective activities of men; one that will postulate the need for scientific control and operation of economic activities in the interests of all people."
Harold Rugg, student of psychology and a disciple of John Dewey

"Education does not mean teaching people to know what they do not know – it means teaching them to behave as they do not behave."
National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) sponsored report: The Role of Schools in Mental Health

"This is the idea where we drop subject matter and we drop Carnegie Unites (grading from A-F) and we just let students find their way, keeping them in school until they manifest the politically correct attitudes. You see, one of the effects of self-esteem (Values Clarification) programs is that you are no longer obliged to tell the truth if you don’t feel like it. You don’t have to tell the truth because if the truth you have to tell is about your own failure then your self-esteem will go down and that is unthinkable."
Dr. William Coulson, explaining Outcome Based Education (OBE) Info

"Education is thus a most power ally of humanism, and every public school is a school of humanism. What can the theistic Sunday school, meeting for an hour once a week, and teaching only a fraction of the children, do to stem the tide of a five-day program of humanistic teachings?"
Charles F. Potter, Humanist

"Men are built, not born…. Give me the baby, and I’ll make it climb and use its hands in constructing buildings of stone or wood…. I’ll make it a thief, a gunman or a dope fiend. The possibilities of shaping in any direction are almost endless…"
John B. Watson, psychologist, founder of "Behaviorism"

"Of course, Behaviorism 'works.' So does torture. Give me a no-nonsense, down-to-earth behaviorist, a few drugs, and simple electrical appliances, and in six months I will have him reciting the Athanasian Creed in public".
W. H. Auden
 
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Kefa52

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I agree with this. I know some very wacky off the grid home schoolers.
I also know more very responsible amazing home schoolers.
The powers to be might learn that home schooling is a good thing.
 

zone

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I agree with this. I know some very wacky off the grid home schoolers.
I also know more very responsible amazing home schoolers.
The powers to be might learn that home schooling is a good thing.
you agree that the Govt should by Law force children that don't belong to them to undergo mental health assessments??
do i understand you correctly?

do you think they are actually doing this to learn something good about how to better educate children?
not sure i'm understanding you so i won't comment.

you know that boys particularly are drugged at school so they will submit, don't you?
 

Nautilus

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no lets not give them any assessments. That way when they go to college, no one has seen any warning signs because the parents were too blind to it and suddenly their little homeschooler, kept from any kind of assessment for nutjob conspiracy theorists, becomes the next VTech shooter
 
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i don't think i am for -mandatory- psychological evaluation in an era where much of psychology is still a field of quackish guesswork dominated by pet theories...
 

shrimp

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no lets not give them any assessments. That way when they go to college, no one has seen any warning signs because the parents were too blind to it and suddenly their little homeschooler, kept from any kind of assessment for nutjob conspiracy theorists, becomes the next VTech shooter

Really, Nautilus? How many shootings were started by Home schooled students, that you can cite? Only then will I take your argument as viable and not a bunch of assumption and opinion.
 

zone

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no lets not give them any assessments. That way when they go to college, no one has seen any warning signs because the parents were too blind to it and suddenly their little homeschooler, kept from any kind of assessment for nutjob conspiracy theorists, becomes the next VTech shooter
LOL Nautilus.
you are so funny.
(not).


Raising the Ritalin Generation

By BRONWEN HRUSKA
Published: August 18, 2012

"I REMEMBER the moment my son’s teacher told us, “Just a little medication could really turn things around for Will.” We stared at her as if she were speaking Greek.

“Are you talking about Ritalin?” my husband asked.

Will was in third grade, and his school wanted him to settle down in order to focus on math worksheets and geography lessons and social studies. The children were expected to line up quietly and “transition” between classes without goofing around. This posed a challenge — hence the medication.

“We’ve seen it work wonders,” his teacher said. “Will’s teachers are reprimanding him. If his behavior improves, his teachers will start to praise him. He’ll feel better about himself and about school as a whole.”

Will did not bounce off walls. He wasn’t particularly antsy. He didn’t exhibit any behaviors I’d associated with attention deficit or hyperactivity. He was an 8-year-old boy with normal 8-year-old boy energy — at least that’s what I’d deduced from scrutinizing his friends.

“He doesn’t have attention deficit,” I said. “We’re not going to medicate him.”

The teacher looked horrified. “We would never suggest you do that,” she said, despite doing just that in her previous breath. “We aren’t even allowed by law to suggest that. Just get him evaluated.”

And so it began...."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/19/o...e-ritalin-generation.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 < click


Common side effects of Ritalin include nervousness, agitation, anxiety, insomnia, loss of appetite, nausea, vomiting, dizziness, palpitations, headache, increased heart rate, increased blood pressure, and psychosis.

Side Effects of Ritalin (Methylphenidate Hcl) Drug Center - RxList < click


would you allow the State to give your 8 year old son who fidgets and acts like a boy this deadly drug Nautilus?

what do you think the odds are a kid on this State sponsored drug will be the shooter you talked about?
greater or lesser than the home schooled kid?

why do these boys need to be drugged Naut?
any idea?
 
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The media tends to paint the picture of homeschoolers as social rejects, losers, no life at all. When the opposite is true. You would be surprised at how many students are homeschooled. And in fact, more and more parents are wanting to homeschool their children, because of how the school system is being ran. As a result, the government feels the need to step in and stop it if possible. Which is probably what this bill is doing.

Yes, in some ways I can see how this bill could possibly do some good. But, I can also see how it could potentially be used as a vendetta against parents who do not go with the flow of the government. We're already seeing parents who want to try alternative medications for their children, losing their child because some doctors refuse to accept that there maybe alternatives to traditional medicine. And, if this bill is passed, we may start seeing the same with parents who homeschool
 

zone

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why do these boys need to be drugged Naut?
any idea?
Like cocaine, Ritalin is a powerful stimulant that increases alertness and productivity. Ritalin and cocaine also look and act the same. Both have a similar chemical structure, and both increase dopamine levels in the brain. They do this by blocking a dopamine transporter protein responsible for the reuptake of dopamine at the synapse.

Since the mid-1950s, doctors have been using Ritalin to treat a variety of conditions including depression, fatigue syndrome and narcolepsy. Ritalin gained FDA approval for treatment of hyperactivity in children in 1961.

30-50% of adolescents in drug treatment centers report abusing Ritalin.




“There will be, in the next generation or so, a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing dictatorship without tears, so to speak, producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them, but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda or brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods. And this seems to be the final revolution”
Aldous Huxley




Huxley was a humanist but was also interested towards the end of his life in spiritual subjects such as parapsychology and philosophical mysticism. By the end of his life Huxley was considered, in some academic circles, a leader of modern thought and an intellectual of the highest rank.

In Brave New World Huxley portrays a society operating on the principles of mass production and Pavlovian conditioning.

Meanwhile, son Matthew Huxley (d. Feb 10 2005) was an author, educator, anthropologist and epidemiologist. His work ranged from promoting universal health care to establishing standards of care for nursing home patients and the mentally ill to investigating the question of what is a socially sanctionable drug.

Aldous Huxley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click


Nautilus, do you think Huxleys are just a good guessers about the world we see unfolding today?
 

PopClick

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There are certainly children with problems in every area of education. Bullying, in particular, is an enormous problem in public schools. If they're so convinced that there's a real need for the government to step in and assess the behavior of children, why not try to "assist" the bullied kids in government-funded schools, where something could actually be done?

It also leads to a whole lot of other questions, like what would happen if the assessor decided that a homeschooled child had a certain disorder? Mental disorders themselves are so incredibly nebulous, and can "change" depending on who happens to be diagnosing them.
 

Nautilus

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LOL Nautilus.
you are so funny.
(not).


Raising the Ritalin Generation

By BRONWEN HRUSKA
Published: August 18, 2012

"I REMEMBER the moment my son’s teacher told us, “Just a little medication could really turn things around for Will.” We stared at her as if she were speaking Greek.

“Are you talking about Ritalin?” my husband asked.

Will was in third grade, and his school wanted him to settle down in order to focus on math worksheets and geography lessons and social studies. The children were expected to line up quietly and “transition” between classes without goofing around. This posed a challenge — hence the medication.

“We’ve seen it work wonders,” his teacher said. “Will’s teachers are reprimanding him. If his behavior improves, his teachers will start to praise him. He’ll feel better about himself and about school as a whole.”

Will did not bounce off walls. He wasn’t particularly antsy. He didn’t exhibit any behaviors I’d associated with attention deficit or hyperactivity. He was an 8-year-old boy with normal 8-year-old boy energy — at least that’s what I’d deduced from scrutinizing his friends.

“He doesn’t have attention deficit,” I said. “We’re not going to medicate him.”

The teacher looked horrified. “We would never suggest you do that,” she said, despite doing just that in her previous breath. “We aren’t even allowed by law to suggest that. Just get him evaluated.”

And so it began...."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/19/o...e-ritalin-generation.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 < click


Common side effects of Ritalin include nervousness, agitation, anxiety, insomnia, loss of appetite, nausea, vomiting, dizziness, palpitations, headache, increased heart rate, increased blood pressure, and psychosis.

Side Effects of Ritalin (Methylphenidate Hcl) Drug Center - RxList < click


would you allow the State to give your 8 year old son who fidgets and acts like a boy this deadly drug Nautilus?

what do you think the odds are a kid on this State sponsored drug will be the shooter you talked about?
greater or lesser than the home schooled kid?

why do these boys need to be drugged Naut?
any idea?
I was on ritalin from 5th grade through 8th grade I had no negative side effects and my grades did improve after i started taking it. Once i got to high school my parents said I was mature enough now to decide if i wanted to stay on the medication or just work harder. I chose the latter and did fine So yes I would put my kid on it if i thought he needed it, and no quack conspiracy theories from someone who probably has little in the way of medical school training can convince me otherwise. Just because you think the whole world is in on a big scheme to brainwash everyone doesnt mean its true.
 

Nautilus

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The media tends to paint the picture of homeschoolers as social rejects, losers, no life at all. When the opposite is true. You would be surprised at how many students are homeschooled. And in fact, more and more parents are wanting to homeschool their children, because of how the school system is being ran. As a result, the government feels the need to step in and stop it if possible. Which is probably what this bill is doing.

Yes, in some ways I can see how this bill could possibly do some good. But, I can also see how it could potentially be used as a vendetta against parents who do not go with the flow of the government. We're already seeing parents who want to try alternative medications for their children, losing their child because some doctors refuse to accept that there maybe alternatives to traditional medicine. And, if this bill is passed, we may start seeing the same with parents who homeschool
Not everyone is cut out to be parents, there are actually recorded cases of parents who refused medical treatment for their children in hopes of miraculous faith healing which in the end just resulted in the child dying and the parents being charged with negligence and manslaughter
 

Nautilus

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There are certainly children with problems in every area of education. Bullying, in particular, is an enormous problem in public schools. If they're so convinced that there's a real need for the government to step in and assess the behavior of children, why not try to "assist" the bullied kids in government-funded schools, where something could actually be done?

It also leads to a whole lot of other questions, like what would happen if the assessor decided that a homeschooled child had a certain disorder? Mental disorders themselves are so incredibly nebulous, and can "change" depending on who happens to be diagnosing them.
They do have these people in public schools they are called counselors.