While i dont agree with the restructuring of the education system in the supposed indoctrination and 'recruitment' that some hint at possibly occuring, I do not see a very large moral issue with the marriage part. Homoseuals are going to love each other and participate in the lifestyle regardless, giving them basic rights such as being able to name their lover as a benefit to their life insurance or put them on their own health insurance plans and things like allowing hospital visits is not something I see a need in fighting against. Those are all things that will be granted to homosexual couples if marriage were allowed. Heck call it a civil union for all i care, religion shouldn't determine basic rights in living.
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Unfortunately, the government paid anti-bully advocates are now traveling the country bullying and ridiculing Christian kids in the public education system:
[video=youtube_share;CygExO01lyw]http://youtu.be/CygExO01lyw[/video]
But back to the topic. There is another consideration. Those who push for homosexual marriage are impeding upon the right of Creator God, not just Christians, by seeking to coopt and defile an institution He created for humanity. Homosexual acts are a serious sin all by themselves but seeking to "sanctify" them through God's marriage covenant is an abomination. Justifying the abomination is heresy and a sin against God's own Word. It also attacks God's reputation in the world as a holy God.
[video=youtube_share;CygExO01lyw]http://youtu.be/CygExO01lyw[/video]
But back to the topic. There is another consideration. Those who push for homosexual marriage are impeding upon the right of Creator God, not just Christians, by seeking to coopt and defile an institution He created for humanity. Homosexual acts are a serious sin all by themselves but seeking to "sanctify" them through God's marriage covenant is an abomination. Justifying the abomination is heresy and a sin against God's own Word. It also attacks God's reputation in the world as a holy God.
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What we are expressing zone are God's legal rights... what God is legally entitled to do to those who defile His rights and His Word. But instead God extends his hands in utter love to these people and says:
"Come now, and let us reason together," Says the LORD, "Though your sins are as scarlet, They will be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They will be like wool. -Isaiah 1:18
It gives me a chill when I think about how God is both completely holy and filled with love we barely grasp. Pretty amazing stuff.
"Come now, and let us reason together," Says the LORD, "Though your sins are as scarlet, They will be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They will be like wool. -Isaiah 1:18
It gives me a chill when I think about how God is both completely holy and filled with love we barely grasp. Pretty amazing stuff.
i know AoK.
same here.
having this discussion on the is abortion murder thread.
until we admit what God has said about us, how will He reason with us?
how will we ever understand this:
Romans 3:23
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God
John 3:16
For God loved the world in this way: so much that he would give up his Son, The Only One, so that everyone who trusts in him shall not be lost, but he shall have eternal life.
love ya
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same here.
having this discussion on the is abortion murder thread.
until we admit what God has said about us, how will He reason with us?
how will we ever understand this:
Romans 3:23
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God
John 3:16
For God loved the world in this way: so much that he would give up his Son, The Only One, so that everyone who trusts in him shall not be lost, but he shall have eternal life.
love ya
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It was sorta a double standard on Dan Savage's part. He started dissing parts of people's religion when they were in a school related setting. Bullying a "captive audience" is something he is against.
I don't know enough about the situation to know how bad what happened was there. I don't think the teachers reacted currently either.
I don't know enough about the situation to know how bad what happened was there. I don't think the teachers reacted currently either.
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You'll are forgetting something.
You are arguing that there are even less gays than thought before. Like 2%.
Which if true, means there are 5 times less of them than I thought. I thought it was the 10%
Which means, their impact in this world is not as big as you all carry on about.
It also means that letting less than 2% of the population marry each other, will not impact the 98% of us, who have a 50% divorce rate.
It also means all this time and energy Christian organisations put into persecuting a tiny minority of the population....makes Christians look even worse.
If they are 1.5% why are there so many stupid threads on this forum dedicating to obsessing about them?
I think this brings shame to all Christians who obsess about this nonsense. It's very shameful.
You are arguing that there are even less gays than thought before. Like 2%.
Which if true, means there are 5 times less of them than I thought. I thought it was the 10%
Which means, their impact in this world is not as big as you all carry on about.
It also means that letting less than 2% of the population marry each other, will not impact the 98% of us, who have a 50% divorce rate.
It also means all this time and energy Christian organisations put into persecuting a tiny minority of the population....makes Christians look even worse.
If they are 1.5% why are there so many stupid threads on this forum dedicating to obsessing about them?
I think this brings shame to all Christians who obsess about this nonsense. It's very shameful.
I tell you, this is bringing me to the point of weeping about this. It's not because I care anything about gays.
I am so frustrated with you people! I need you! I need an Christian Spiritual community! I have needs as a straight man, right now for real Christianity.
I AM SO FRUSTRATED THAT MY NEEDS ARE NOT MET BECAUSE YOU PEOPLE SPEND 50% OF YOUR TIME DEDICATING TO OBSESSING ABOUT 1.5% OF THE POPULATION!
Truly I am disgusted.
BAH!
I am so frustrated with you people! I need you! I need an Christian Spiritual community! I have needs as a straight man, right now for real Christianity.
I AM SO FRUSTRATED THAT MY NEEDS ARE NOT MET BECAUSE YOU PEOPLE SPEND 50% OF YOUR TIME DEDICATING TO OBSESSING ABOUT 1.5% OF THE POPULATION!
Truly I am disgusted.
BAH!
I tell you, this is bringing me to the point of weeping about this. It's not because I care anything about gays.
I am so frustrated with you people! I need you! I need an Christian Spiritual community! I have needs as a straight man, right now for real Christianity.
I AM SO FRUSTRATED THAT MY NEEDS ARE NOT MET BECAUSE YOU PEOPLE SPEND 50% OF YOUR TIME DEDICATING TO OBSESSING ABOUT 1.5% OF THE POPULATION!
Truly I am disgusted.
BAH!
I am so frustrated with you people! I need you! I need an Christian Spiritual community! I have needs as a straight man, right now for real Christianity.
I AM SO FRUSTRATED THAT MY NEEDS ARE NOT MET BECAUSE YOU PEOPLE SPEND 50% OF YOUR TIME DEDICATING TO OBSESSING ABOUT 1.5% OF THE POPULATION!
Truly I am disgusted.
BAH!
Please stop with the 50% of the time the threads and time is being spent talking about this. It's not even close. Over 95% of the threads have nothing to do with this at all.
If the needs you have are not being met then perhaps the onus is on you to start threads about that and for you to not spend time looking at or starting threads about gays,lesbians,bisexuals and intersexed people.
Perhaps it wouldn't be talked about so much if those in the LGBT community weren't pushing an agenda down everyone else's throat. They don't even want to hear from those who were rescued from this.
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I tell you, this is bringing me to the point of weeping about this. It's not because I care anything about gays. I am so frustrated with you people! I need you! I need an Christian Spiritual community! I have needs as a straight man, right now for real Christianity.
I AM SO FRUSTRATED THAT MY NEEDS ARE NOT MET BECAUSE YOU PEOPLE SPEND 50% OF YOUR TIME DEDICATING TO OBSESSING ABOUT 1.5% OF THE POPULATION!
Truly I am disgusted.
BAH!
I AM SO FRUSTRATED THAT MY NEEDS ARE NOT MET BECAUSE YOU PEOPLE SPEND 50% OF YOUR TIME DEDICATING TO OBSESSING ABOUT 1.5% OF THE POPULATION!
Truly I am disgusted.
BAH!
and YOU are disgusted???? Sheesh 
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You need to grow up. If it's wrong to persecute people for engaging in immoral acts, how much more wrong is it to persecute people for not engaging in them. A whole lot more is the right answer.
How do you think religious people feel when they hear some of the things immoral people say about them behind their backs, to their faces, and the public ridicule, bullying, the peer pressure they come under to compromise, etc...
But you wouldn't know would you? Why is that? Could it be because you're a friend of the world?
There's a double standard alright and it is from the devil and it looks like this: It's OK to live an immoral life and persecute Christians but it's not OK for a Christian to call sin what it is: sin.
How do you think religious people feel when they hear some of the things immoral people say about them behind their backs, to their faces, and the public ridicule, bullying, the peer pressure they come under to compromise, etc...
But you wouldn't know would you? Why is that? Could it be because you're a friend of the world?
There's a double standard alright and it is from the devil and it looks like this: It's OK to live an immoral life and persecute Christians but it's not OK for a Christian to call sin what it is: sin.
He used the word "persecute" for the latter.
That's take a look at how it looks to people who don't share you position. In the former example, it is people who are persecuting other for engaging in harmless acts that they think go against their arbitrary moral code. The latter example, people are persecuting the people who are trying to enforce their morality on other people who don't have the same belief systems. I wouldn't say the latter is a worse than the former from this perspective.
That's take a look at how it looks to people who don't share you position. In the former example, it is people who are persecuting other for engaging in harmless acts that they think go against their arbitrary moral code. The latter example, people are persecuting the people who are trying to enforce their morality on other people who don't have the same belief systems. I wouldn't say the latter is a worse than the former from this perspective.