The Media Caught Distorting Numbers on Gay Identity

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AgeofKnowledge

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A misleading new state-by-state study claims that nearly 4 percent of American adults identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender with Washington, DC boasting the top LGBT population of nearly 10 percent.


These figures seem to contradict a 2011 study from the same experts at UCLA’s Williams Institute that showed only 1.7% saying they were gay or lesbian. Where’s the discrepancy?


The new numbers include bisexuals, who actually outnumber lesbians and gays. This is politically inconvenient for the gay rights argument because bisexuals by definition feel attraction to both genders, and so exercise some element of choice in how they express their sexuality.


Also, those permanently attracted to both men and women fit far less comfortably into the mold of monogamous marriage: limiting yourself to one person and one gender must go against your “nature” if you define yourself as bisexual.

Distorting Numbers on Gay Identity
 
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Their attempt at Jedi mind tricks.

I'll never forget this really liberal girl who tried to convince me that I might have a gay side in High School. It was her assertion that we're all a little bi.
 

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Their attempt at Jedi mind tricks.

I'll never forget this really liberal girl who tried to convince me that I might have a gay side in High School. It was her assertion that we're all a little bi.
"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Ritter again."
 
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Am I the only one who finds the report to not be misleading? Even this report on it has the claim being that the LGBT community has that percentage and that is obviously going to include bisexuals. I also don't agree with some of the statements about bisexuality and it not fitting the mold of monogamous marriage. I know plenty of bisexuals that are in long term loyal, monogamous relationships. Many married straight couples will still feel attraction to other people and they overcome it and its the same with bisexuals. Just cause sometimes there is a much bigger difference between the other attractive person and the spouse does not mean that the situation is very different.

This article confuses me a bit. What exactly does the percentage of the population have to do with whether or not this minority have the right to something like get married? I guess that isn't explicitly stated, but it seems to hint at the idea that it does.
 

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the media loves to give cooked numbers that push their agenda.
 

Nautilus

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perhaps these people werent comfortable enough to come out of the closet yet? its not like everyone accepts them with open arms ...
 

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perhaps these people werent comfortable enough to come out of the closet yet? its not like everyone accepts them with open arms ...
Naut....it's not about the individuals.
why do ya keep missin da pernt?

The Media Caught Distorting Numbers on Gay Identity
 
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The latest February 2013 data clearly shows that even when you include all bisexuals of either gender in with all homosexuals and all transgenders: you get 3.5% of the U.S. population.

LGBT Percentage Highest in D.C., Lowest in North Dakota

That means 96.5% of the entire U.S. population are 100% straight heterosexuals.
 
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Homosexual organizations were asserting that a far higher percentage of the U.S. population was homosexual and the mainstream modern liberal media was echoing their false assertion. This went on for many years and is still going on to some extent. The reason why homosexual organizations and the mainstream media purveyed a lie was simple: they did it as a tactic for political gain.


So... what was misleading?
 

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The four percent in your original post is not much higher than 3.5% you included two posts ago.... Its called rounding...A basic mathematical principle...

also you should probably consider this only accounts for openly gay/bisexual americans.
 
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I shouldn't take you off ignore because I already know that your comment will be both ignorant and divisive and, of course, it is again.

If you had read the post properly, you would have seen that the original discrepancy was actually between 1.7% and 4% NOT 3.5% and 4% and that there was a good explanation for it.

I have no desire to spend inordinate amounts of time correcting you as I used to take the time to do. So, back on ignore you go.

The four percent in your original post is not much higher than 3.5% you included two posts ago.... Its called rounding...A basic mathematical principle...

also you should probably consider this only accounts for openly gay/bisexual americans.
 
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Bisexuals have consistently outnumbered gays and lesbians. They also generally work with and are incorporated with the gay and lesbian community.

Do you actually consider someone who's bi not to be gay? It really does appear to be a legitimate inclusion.
 

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ok so a 1.7% in 2011 that DID NOT include bisexual people somehow results in the media lying about the numbers when two years later they add in bisexuals and it goes to 3.5%? AoK, your logic at this point is somehow mystifying. Personally I think the 3.5% is a lower than actual number but whatever
 
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Secular psychologists, psychiatrists, and scientists do not classify bisexuals as homosexuals. They, and the APA, classify sexual orientation as follows: heterosexuality, homosexuality, and bisexuality.

Sexual orientation, homosexuality and bisexuality
Sexual Orientation

Many homosexual organizations were fraudulently pooling bisexuals in with homosexuals (and some also asserting inflated percentages) in an attempt to achieve political objectives for homosexuals which includes seeking special treatment and greater legal protection for homosexuals than either heterosexuals or bisexuals.

This was part of their campaign of specious argumentation which included everything from calling things the opposite of what they are (e.g. special rights are equal protection), fallaciously shifting the burden of proof by asserting that homosexuality is not a choice until it is conclusively proven to be one, slippery slope arguments, false assumption that any position which is pro-homosexual slant must be true rather than critically assessing positions to see if they are credible, etc... Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia referred to what they were attempting to accomplish politically and the way in which they were attempting to accomplish it as the "homosexual agenda" in Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558.

The point is that it's fraudulent for homosexual organizations to use bisexuals to accomplish strictly homosexual political objectives, especially when they are living heterosexual lives and trending toward a Christian worldview.

So while I agree with you that Christianity doesn't differentiate between an identity of homosexuality and bisexuality speaking only to homosexual acts versus heterosexual acts, politically (especially with regards to the rule of law which has the full force of the state behind it) it does matter and that's why the discrepancy is now being reported in the news along with the latest statistics.



Bisexuals have consistently outnumbered gays and lesbians. They also generally work with and are incorporated with the gay and lesbian community.

Do you actually consider someone who's bi not to be gay? It really does appear to be a legitimate inclusion.
 
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If you had read the post properly, you would have seen that the original discrepancy was actually between 1.7% and 4% NOT 3.5% and 4% and that there was a good explanation for it.
Actual the post never claims this. Mainly because it never states that anyone used the 4% to refer to the homosexual population. It used 4% to refer to the LGBT community. Which, even just by its name sake, includes bisexuals.

They also generally work with and are incorporated with the gay and lesbian community.
A lot of times bisexuals are rejected by gay and lesbian communities.
 
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The problem comes when you change what it is you are looking at if one group was not added the first time and then added the second time it makes it look like the numbers have changed when if fact they never really did. It changes the parameters of the survey and gives out false numbers. It makes it look like the gay population grew in proportion when in fact it didn't.
 

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A lot of times bisexuals are rejected by gay and lesbian communities.
Well, there's the Human Rights Tribunals.
the bi-sexuals should sue the others for discrimination and hate.
but since most of the Magistrates are homosexuals, i wonder if they'd get a fair hearing.

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Exactly Sarah, you got it. The Kringled One didn't. I'm sure he'll be along to repeat his false assertions anyways. The dumb ones always do. But, he can join Nautilus in the dunce corner.

Obviously, bisexuals have a lot more flexibility in their choices and many choose heterosexual monogamous lifestyles. A good number eventually align with religious worldviews that reject homosexuality. It's wrong for the homosexual community to use them as canon fodder to advance political objectives in opposition to their religious worldviews and, in many cases, for legislation that benefits homosexuals but not monogamous religious people who have a bisexual attraction.

We have a number of them at our church and they are against the homosexual agenda. Historically, Christians that hold to orthodox teachings (as opposed to heterodoxy/heresy) with bisexual attraction, which is most of them and include examples like Lonnie Frisbee, certainly have been. Lonnie always preached theological orthodoxy and always preached against homosexuality and the homosexual agenda despite, at times, stumbling with it in his own life.

I know plenty of people that knew Lonnie most of his life. Some of them were interviewed in the movie about his life. And they tell me he would have been livid if he had been used by homosexual organizations to advance the homosexual agenda which he did not agree with. Every orthodox Christian I know that has a background of bisexuality feels the same way. In fact, EVERY orthodox Christian I know with a bisexual background LEFT bisexuality and live as a heterosexual in monogamous marriages or celibacy. But, many (not all) still have some degree of same sex attraction and answer yes to the pollster when they call to see if they identify as bisexual because of it. The pollster never asks them if they want to opt out of being used to promote the homosexual agenda by homosexual and LGBT organizations (not all organizations promoting homosexuality are LGBT)... lol. Are there discrepancies? Yes.

Over time, some bisexuals eventually lose same-sex attraction and finally begin answering no to the question and are no longer counted.

Paul states it this way to the Corinthians in 1 Corinthians 6:

"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

Jesus spoke of two gates in Matthew 7:

“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

Those who align with the homosexual agenda are participating in hiding and closing off the narrow gate while paving the road to destruction and they lie, like their father the devil, to accomplish it.



The problem comes when you change what it is you are looking at if one group was not added the first time and then added the second time it makes it look like the numbers have changed when if fact they never really did. It changes the parameters of the survey and gives out false numbers. It makes it look like the gay population grew in proportion when in fact it didn't.
 
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Wrong. The homosexual agenda seeks to use the power of the state to affect public education and what our children are taught, the workplace and how we interact, redefine protection under the law so that we have less and they have more, provide special benefits that we don't get with regards to government spending, cripple religious organization's ability to preach against homosexuality and for God's design for humanity, etc... etc... etc...

zone, how could you be so clueless to even make such a statement? I thought you were more observant than that.

"We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble masculinity, of your shallow dreams and vulgar lies. We shall seduce them in your schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your locker rooms, in your sports arenas, in your seminaries, in your youth groups, ...wherever men are with men together. Your sons shall become our minions and do our bidding. They will be recast in our image. They will come to crave and adore us. All churches who condemn us will be closed. Our holy gods are handsome young men. ...We shall be victorious because we are fueled with the ferocious bitterness of the oppressed..." [SIZE=-1]Michael Swift - Boston Gay Community News - February 15-21, 1987[/SIZE]

Many militant homosexuals and their supporters have different beliefs. They have adopted the following tactics with the goal of forcing their beliefs on society:


  • eliminating free speech by harassing and attempting to silence anyone who disagrees with them;
  • preying on children by indoctrinating and recruiting them into their lifestyle;
  • imposing their beliefs on others through activist judges and lawmakers requiring that everyone actively promote homosexuality in every institution (schools, workplace, churches, etc.);
  • destroying marriage and undermining the traditional family in order to annihilate any moral standard of behavior;
  • intolerance toward anyone who does not willingly submit to their agenda;
  • fighting for a discriminatory and unconstitutional double standard of justice by demanding that crimes against homosexuals be punished more severely than the same crimes against heterosexuals through 'hate crimes' legislation; and
  • deceptively portraying homosexuality as a harmless and victimless behavior.

The homosexual agenda is based on intolerance of anyone who disagrees with them and is a well-coordinated, well-financed, wide-ranging, intensive effort to infiltrate and influence organizations and society at large in order to spread misinformation with the goal of recruiting children.

You may want to read Josh McDowell's new book 'The New Tolerance':

The New Tolerance

what does any of that have to do with us heterosexuals???? NOTHING.