March 23rd, mark of the beast?

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Tintin

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Jon, I never mentioned that Revelation wasn't true, it absolutely is. The conspiracy theories on the other hand aren't biblically-based but about creating a spirit of fear and paranoia among the people. Revelation chronicles past and present events and future events. As I've mentioned before, it's not purely prophesying about the future.
 
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jonrambo

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so what have i said thats not in revelation? im not an alex jones fan hes an illuminati 5th column agent he makes half his stuff up. id give it another 15 years before they can physically force the mark on us atleast but it IS happening theres no way its not
 
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Donkeyfish07

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H.R. 3200. and the bill was not passed, and there is nowhere in the plan to indicate mandatory implantation of any kind. Although that are not ruling out that it may happen in the future...As of right now, everything about the chip is false and nothing more than a conspiracy theory.
Yea, they shot down 3200.......H.R. 4872 is the one that did pass though. It doesn't make chipping mandatory although rfid chips would fall under the category of devices that the bill deals with....but so would a pace maker. There's a lot of places that actually use implantable chips (like research facilities, corporations, government officials in some places, and even some nightclubs) but as far as I know it's not mandatory anywhere in the world. I agree with you though, it might come in the future at some point but I don't see it happening for years and years.
 
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Tintin

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Jon, you're interpreting Revelation as you see fit. The barcode mark conspiracy has been around for ages, it's hardly new. I don't even know this Alex Jones you reference.
 
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Tintin

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Elizabeth, I know you keep mentioning this but how come we don't live in a world without sin if Jesus has already returned a second time?

Revelation already happened. In 70AD.
 
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Donkeyfish07

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Revelation already happened. In 70AD.
How you get that Liz? Whatever the mark actually ends up being, there's never been a case of a global requirement to get a mark on hand or forehead that you couldn't buy or sell without. Then ya got your two witnesses that the whole world looks upon and lays dead in the streets a few days before theyre resurrected.
 

Elizabeth619

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Elizabeth, I know you keep mentioning this but how come we don't live in a world without sin if Jesus has already returned a second time?
I never said he returned a second time. I should have been more clear. That's my fault. Most of revelation has happened. We are waiting on the final judgement.
The beginning of the book states these things will happen SOON.

Jesus prophecied the fall of Jerusalem. It fell in 70 ad. This is historical fact.
The new heaven and earth theory has been disproven and actually derived from the book of Enoch which was proven to not be an inspired book.
The new heaven and earth in revelation is referring to heaven and spirituality. It is symbolic. The bible never said Jesus would return twice.

He is ruling now. He has gone to prepare a place for us. In heaven. He can't prepare a place for us in a new earth if this one still exists. Revelation was the official end of the mosaic age. The destruction of the temple showed this. Jews could no longer have sacrifices and so on.

The 1000 yr reign is now. It is not literal. The rapture was never preached before the 1830s until Darby claimed "God spoke to him".

The mark is also voluntary. "Mark" in Greek is a seal or etching. Just like a roman coin where an emperors head would be on it with sayings such as "son of God" or divine.
If one used these coins they would be showing loyalty to the emperor which would be idolizing him so Christians refused to submit to him. By not using this currency they could not buy sell or trade. Keep in mind the mark was physical. A chip implanted cannot be outright seen. A coin can be clearly seen.


If I have typos forgive me. I'm in my phone. Not the puter. And it's 3am. In nuts
 
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Donkeyfish07

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Tintin

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Thanks for explaining further, Elizabeth. I agree with you on some points but not on others and that's okay. Thanks again.
 

Elizabeth619

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Thanks for explaining further, Elizabeth. I agree with you on some points but not on others and that's okay. Thanks again.
I may explain more later. Kinda tired so I won't be surprised if I don't make sense
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Alex Jones is the KING of conspiracy theorists. He's a mad Texan that ranges nonstop on the Internet against the government and the New World Order. But it's hard not to love the guy's passion and commitment to personal liberty. Plus, he's fun to listen to at times.

I don't even know this Alex Jones you reference.
 

Nautilus

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illuminati 5th column agent?...LOL this just keeps getting better and better
 
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jonrambo

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ever posted anything constructive nautilus? try it mate. beards are suppose to be a source of wisdom not arrogance.
 

Blain

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Well i do believe this chip to be the mark everyone is afraid to get, But i don't know if the rapture itself is supposed to happen before or after the mark. I know the rapture happens before the tribulation, but what is the tribulation? Is it the seven bad years? and is the mark connected to the tribulation? Revelations is so hard to decipher.....
 

Nautilus

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ever posted anything constructive nautilus? try it mate. beards are suppose to be a source of wisdom not arrogance.

I do just not on threads full of lies, fearmongering, and conspiracy theories...the world(and this site) would be better with less of all three. Also we could probably do with less obsessing over the end times.
 
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Trifecta

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Dear Blain
The chip that you are referring to is called the RFID chip , and it has been in use in one form or another for a few years now , in pets , farm animals , and now more recently , as a loss prevention tool in products such as clothing and many other household goods . I have heard that this revised form of the RFID , will be used to track financial transactions , also as a loss prevention tool in regards to Public Assistance Programs , and most people who are recieving Goverment funding . Ideally , it will be inserted between the webbing of the right hand , or in the base of the neck or in the forehead , using a large needle to plant the chip . I am with you on this , as far as this type of technology being eerily similar in many regards , to the mark which is spoken of in the Book of Revelations as , The Mark of the Beast . Whether or not I believe this to be the correct timeframe for this to happen , I cannot deny that this will be the exact tool which is to be used during the tribulation . I don't see a large enough system in the United States that is able to support wide range use of this , as it would involve a vast amount of computerized capability , I do know that there is a system already in place , in Brussels . It is called the Brussels Electronic Automated Surveilance Technology , and it is capable of producing vast amount of data , probably in the millions of bits range , per second , for every person on the face of Planet Earth . I believe that This will be the system which will be incorporated to network with this chip implant . Again , obviously , I don't know when , or how , but I know that it is very very close to becoming reality .
 

Nautilus

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Trifecta said:
I cannot deny that this will be the exact tool which is to be used during the tribulation .
Nor can you prove anything either...
 

Elizabeth619

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Nor can you prove anything either...
I can't help but wonder how many people that are so worried about being tracked own a smartphone? Every one of them have a GPS. They are so worried about something being implanted in their skin they have no idea that being on the internet alone has forms of tracking. Not being paranoid. Just being realistic.
This is all pretty funny.