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RickShafer

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What is Papal clemency?
Could Peter grant clemency?
So how can the Pope?
Unless he is the ruler of an earthly kingdom.
(One that claims to stand in for the church in the spiritual kingdom)
- - - - - Don't give me, "who's sins you forgive will be forgiven. And who'd sins you requite will be
remembered." - - - - God was speaking to all His body who hear and are led by the mind and headship of Jesus Christ.
Not just some guy with a fish hat. - (Reminiscent of the philistine god 'Dagon'.)
And all those hearing His voice will forgive all trespasses; as Jesus said - "Father forgive them, for they know not what they do."
 
RickShafer

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No answers from Rock022 or Brother Maynard?
- - - (Bring out the Holy Hand Grenade!)
 
Ritter

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I do desire to feast on the lambs, and sloths, and carp, and anchovies, and orangutangs, and breakfast cereals, and fruit-bats, and large...
 
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"Sire, we do have the Holy Hand Grenade, it is one of the relics brother Maynard carries"
".....Brother Maynard, bring out the Holy Hand Grenade!"
 
Drett

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If you look at the Hindu scripture you will see the early scripture refers to one God. Look at where they are now. The Catholics are on the way to where the Hindus are now if they keep praying to statues and dead people.
 
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Weird guess you just made this to criticize people? Oh well you will be judged too. lol
 
RickShafer

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raf said:
Weird guess you just made this to criticize people? Oh well you will be judged too. lol
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We will all be judged.
Did you think you wouldn't?
Jesus used sarcasm.
See His words to the pharisees-(self righteous).

- - - - - - OH WELL.
 
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RickShafer said:
We will all be judged.
Did you think you wouldn't?
Jesus used sarcasm.
See His words to the pharisees-(self righteous).

- - - - - - OH WELL.
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Pretty dumb reply to brother raf. Notice he said you will be judged TOO! meaning he knows very well that he will be judged. He's just reminding you because, going by your self-righteous comments against Catholics, you seem to have forgotten that. You think you know it all pal? lol Little do you know because great is your pride and great is your ignorance of your own stupidity and knowledgelessness in Scripture, little boy. Wake up! lol You know nothing of what you think you do about Catholicism. Do your research and THEN come back and play accusation games. Peace always be with you, along with my prayers. God bless
 
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BTW champ, you could only dream of being blessed with the knowledge and wisdom of somebody as simple as brother Maynard lol really!! Very basic in some of your comments, my friend. Very basic indeed for an old man hahahahaha
 
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Drett said:
If you look at the Hindu scripture you will see the early scripture refers to one God. Look at where they are now. The Catholics are on the way to where the Hindus are now if they keep praying to statues and dead people.
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Shows how little you know about the religion you criticize, boy lol Kinda surprised that an aussie would be one to follow the crowd just cz its cool haha you'll be as cool as them one day, champ. Keep at it ;)

BTW skip, how tough do you feel sitting behind that computer of your's? Very un-Aussie indeed lol Be a man and face up to your fears, champ. In this case, being the Truth of the Catholic Church !!!!!!!
 
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Drett said:
If you look at the Hindu scripture you will see the early scripture refers to one God. Look at where they are now. The Catholics are on the way to where the Hindus are now if they keep praying to statues and dead people.
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Can you show me evidence of this im trying to google it but cant find it.
 
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The Hindu God is Brahman, Vishnu and Shiva.

One God, manifest in 'creation (Brahman), Vishnu (sustenance) and Shiva (destruction and rebirth/recycling)'.

There are also many other manifestations, but all things are of One God.
 
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7seven7 said:
Pretty dumb reply to brother raf. Notice he said you will be judged TOO! meaning he knows very well that he will be judged. He's just reminding you because, going by your self-righteous comments against Catholics, you seem to have forgotten that. You think you know it all pal? lol Little do you know because great is your pride and great is your ignorance of your own stupidity and knowledgelessness in Scripture, little boy. Wake up! lol You know nothing of what you think you do about Catholicism. Do your research and THEN come back and play accusation games. Peace always be with you, along with my prayers. God bless
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A truly stupid and illogical post.
Keep transubsantiating and praying to the saints.
In other words - (Keep trusting in outward symbols to take the place of the Holy Spirit)
 
RickShafer

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Keep confessing to a person you call "father", when Jesus plainly told you to call no man upon the earth 'father' - Math. 23:9 (for there is One Father in heaven).
What? - "Confess your sins one to another?" YES.
Not to one greater,-(who you bow to), not to a human you call "father".
 
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"Father, forgive me, for I have sinned....."
"Tell me your sins my son...."
 
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7seven7 said:
Shows how little you know about the religion you criticize, boy lol Kinda surprised that an aussie would be one to follow the crowd just cz its cool haha you'll be as cool as them one day, champ. Keep at it ;)

BTW skip, how tough do you feel sitting behind that computer of your's? Very un-Aussie indeed lol Be a man and face up to your fears, champ. In this case, being the Truth of the Catholic Church !!!!!!!
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Wow, your attitude and insults are worse than the people you're trying to make look bad. Judge much?
 
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RickShafer said:
No answers from Rock022 or Brother Maynard?
- - - (.....Brother Maynard, bring out the Holy Hand Grenade!)
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Peace be with you, Rick. I hope that you have a pleasant Easter. I pray that Mary the mother of our Lord leads you to her beloved son and savior Jesus Christ. God bless.

In Christ,
Maynard

Hail Mary, full of grace,
the Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death.
Amen

Lord Jesus, have mercy on Rick, and all of us sinners.
 
RickShafer

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Thank you brother Maynard.
Peace be to you in Jesus Name.
I can't help but notice the size of the queen of heaven.
Two halo's signifying the mother of God and God.
She's so much bigger.
I guess the Roman Catholic church holds that in common with the eastern orthodox church; - (much bigger gods holding much smaller ones).
In my discussions with an eastern orthodox on this site named Geometar he often posted similar renditions of greater deities holding smaller ones.
Please forgive me, but the pantheistic implications seem clear. - (Just my problem)
Never mind, may the Holy Spirit be with you brother.
 
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RickShafer said:
Keep confessing to a person you call "father", when Jesus plainly told you to call no man upon the earth 'father' - Math. 23:9 (for there is One Father in heaven).
What? - "Confess your sins one to another?" YES.
Not to one greater,-(who you bow to), not to a human you call "father".
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Hang on a second, dear brother. I think you may have misinterpreted Scripture again(maybe even purposely to suit your attack on Catholics) because:

Let's start with the verse you quoted (BTW Happy Easter, and I beg you to please read the complete post!! It's absolutely vital):

Matthew 23:9

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[SUP]9 [/SUP]Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.


The above quote from the Gospel of St. Matthew must be read in the context of the whole of chapter 23, in which our Lord Jesus Christ denounces the pride and hypocrisy of the Scribes and Pharisees, the contrast between their words and actions (v. 3), the heavy burdens they placed of the shoulders of the people without giving any assistance (v. 4) and their love to be seen and praised (vv. 5-7).
Our Lord used this hyperbole to provide a lesson in humility, exhorting His followers to realise that only the Heavenly Father is the genuine Father, while all others simply partake, or reveal a part, of His Fatherhood. Those in positions of power are not to lord it over others, imposing impossible burdens while seeking public recognition and praise, Christ concluded His admonitios, saying, " whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted" (v. 12).
A literal understanding of our Lord's words would lead to an absurd conclusion, prohibiting us from calling our natural fathers "father," while allowing us to call our mothers "mother." Yet, such an interpretation would go against scripture itself, where Our Lady says to the Child Jesus: "Son, why have you treated us so? Behold, your father and I have been looking for you anxiously" (St. Luke 2:48). It would also prevent us from calling anyone "teacher" for Our Lord warned equally against the use of this title as well: "But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all bretheren" (St. Matt. 23:8)
St. Paul confirms that there are various types of fatherhood, all of which are based on the Fatherhood of God: "For this cause I bow my kneesto the Father of Our Lord Jesus Christ, of whom all paternity in heaven and on earth is named" (Eph. 3:15). Abraham is acknowledged as the father of allwho have faith in numerous passages, even in the New Law:
Luke 16:30

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[SUP]30 [/SUP]And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’
John 8:56

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[SUP]56 [/SUP]Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”
Acts 7:2

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[SUP]2 [/SUP]And he said, “Brethren and fathers, listen: The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Haran,
Romans 4:11

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[SUP]11 [/SUP]And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while still uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all those who believe, though they are uncircumcised, that righteousness might be imputed to them also,
James 2:21

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[SUP]21 [/SUP]Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?

AND!!!

St. Paul addressed a crowd in Jerusalem as follows:
Acts 22:1New King James Version (NKJV)

22 “Brethren and fathers, hear my defense before you now.”

St. Paul also applies the term "father" to himself, while on more than one occasion he writes to his own as if they were his children- 1Cor. 4:14-15, 2Cor. 12:14, Phil. 2:22, 1 Thes. 2:11, 1Tim. 1:2, Tit. 1:4, Phile. 1:10.

From these verses it is evident that the title "father" was used not with any sense of pride, but rather to engender tenderness and affection within spiritual relationships. The Catholic Church wishes her children to act in the same way when addressing those who partake in God's Fatherhood through preaching the Gospel and sanctifying the faithful.


How can you argue with this, Rick? If you say we are wrong in calling other men "father", then you MUST be saying that Peter and Paul were wrong. And if you say that, then you might as well stop following the Gospel because after all, they were guided by the Holy Spirit weren't they? I love you, and I'm sorry for being rude earlier. I mean it. I mentioned that in confession too. Peace, and God bless you.

Oh yeh, I will reply to your confession comment too now. Won't be long bro.
 
RickShafer

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Yes.
You are correct. The meaning is spiritual.
But are priests apostles? When Paul was speaking of his nurturing of the churches he(through the Holy Spirit) founded; was he not speaking of his apostleship? And he never calls himself their father, he just points out they were begotten into the faith by God using him to spread the good news to them. The early churches were beset by false teachers spying out their liberty in Christ, trying to return them to a religious(Jewish in this case), bondage.
 
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