Obama In Israel

[Katy-follower]

Obama shows them support, but yet reveals his real agenda.

"Make no mistake.. those who adhere to the ideology of rejecting Israel's right to exist, they might as well reject the earth beneath them or the sky above, because Israel's not going anywhere"

"Given the demographics west of the Jordan river, the only way for Israel to endure and thrive as a Jewish and democratic state is through the realization of an independent and viable Palestine"

Joel 3:2: "And I will enter into judgment with them there On account of My people, My heritage Israel, Whom they have scattered among the nations; They have also divided up My land"

This Joel scripture says that a Palestinian state will become a reality.

(By the way, Obama is a figure head, just because he's in the spotlight does not mean he's the one that comes up with these agendas)

[video=youtube_share;EjiLcl6WGBQ]http://youtu.be/EjiLcl6WGBQ[/video]

 

[Drett]

Obama shows them support, but yet reveals his real agenda.

"Make no mistake.. those who adhere to the ideology of rejecting Israel's right to exist, they might as well reject the earth beneath them or the sky above, because Israel's not going anywhere"

"Given the demographics west of the Jordan river, the only way for Israel to endure and thrive as a Jewish and democratic state is through the realization of an independent and viable Palestine"

Joel 3:2: "And I will enter into judgment with them there On account of My people, My heritage Israel, Whom they have scattered among the nations; They have also divided up My land"

This Joel scripture says that a Palestinian state will become a reality.

(By the way, Obama is a figure head, just because he's in the spotlight does not mean he's the one that comes up with these agendas)

[video=youtube_share;EjiLcl6WGBQ]http://youtu.be/EjiLcl6WGBQ[/video]

God's people of Israel no longer exists. God removed them when he exiled them. Israel is now mostly populated by Europeans that converted to the Jewish faith.

 

[Katy-follower]

Joel 3:2 speaks of the past. God's people of Israel no longer exists. God removed them when he exiled them. Israel is now mostly populated by Europeans that converted to the Jewish faith.

It speaks of the Jews being scattered, which happened already, yes.

But - judgment will come on anyone that divides the land of Israel. Those people will be judged. Anyone that touches Israel will deal with God as a result. We see desires to divide the land of Israel today (Palestinian state) and this is against God.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

The Obummer is fretting to get an apology for Turkey over a ship while ignoring asking Turky to apologize for murdering 1 million Christian Armenians in a genocide!

Obummer, you have your priorities screwed up. Deal with the genocide FIRST!

 

[JesusChica1991]

It speaks of the Jews being scattered, which happened already, yes.

But - judgment will come on anyone that divides the land of Israel. Those people will be judged. Anyone that touches Israel will deal with God as a result. We see desires to divide the land of Israel today (Palestinian state) and this is against God.

Actually, the Israel in the Bible is gone. The people in Israel today are very secular and very atheist. Israel in the Bible was referring to the people--the groups all of Abe's descendants physically and spiritual descendants; it had nothing to do with the political state as most people believe.

 

[Agricola]

It speaks of the Jews being scattered, which happened already, yes.

But - judgment will come on anyone that divides the land of Israel. Those people will be judged. Anyone that touches Israel will deal with God as a result. We see desires to divide the land of Israel today (Palestinian state) and this is against God.

America has been at the forefront pushing Israel into making consessions in the name of peace and to promote peace, but what happens? more rockets and mortars fired into Israel. Obama is either stupid or just paying lip service to the Arab nations, or maybe both. Anyone can see that the destruction and genocide of Jews is still on the agenda and still the ultimate goal. Only problem is God is on Israels side and all attempts to achieve this have met in a resounding defeat for Israels enemies.

Another thing all Presidents have failed to notice is Gods punishment on the USA for meddling with Israel, Hurricanes Andrew and KAtrina and The Perfect Storm to name a few. If Obama steps too much out of line in Israel, then Americans should brace themselves for yet more record breaking disasters.

Edit: forgot to mention Gaza withdrawl, Isreal did everything asked by the UN and America and the Palestinians, yet what happened, first day of self rule, we see a terror campaign of missles fired over daily, this of course resulted in Operation Cast Lead to stop them.

 

[Drett]

America has been at the forefront pushing Israel into making consessions in the name of peace and to promote peace, but what happens? more rockets and mortars fired into Israel. Obama is either stupid or just paying lip service to the Arab nations, or maybe both. Anyone can see that the destruction and genocide of Jews is still on the agenda and still the ultimate goal. Only problem is God is on Israels side and all attempts to achieve this have met in a resounding defeat for Israels enemies.

Another thing all Presidents have failed to notice is Gods punishment on the USA for meddling with Israel, Hurricanes Andrew and KAtrina and The Perfect Storm to name a few. If Obama steps too much out of line in Israel, then Americans should brace themselves for yet more record breaking disasters.

Edit: forgot to mention Gaza withdrawl, Isreal did everything asked by the UN and America and the Palestinians, yet what happened, first day of self rule, we see a terror campaign of missles fired over daily, this of course resulted in Operation Cast Lead to stop them.

Israel has done everything asked ?

Since the United States vetoes the strongest UN statements against Israel, the vetoed resolutions are more relevant, than those actually passed. The threat of a US veto, stops many serious resolutions against Israel from even getting to a vote, and causes those resolutions that do get to a vote, to be significantly watering down (in the hope that the US might not veto them).

Source: List of UN Resolutions Israel has violated.

Iraq supposedly broke a WMD resolution and 500,000 children died from medical sanctions imposed on it.

``In absolute terms we estimate that perhaps about half a million children under 5 years of age have died, who ordinarily would not have died had the decline in mortality that was prevalent over the 70s and the 80s continued through the 90s,''
Anupama Rao Singh, country director for the U.N. Children's Fund (UNICEF),

 

[zone]

The Obummer is fretting to get an apology for Turkey over a ship while ignoring asking Turky to apologize for murdering 1 million Christian Armenians in a genocide!

Obummer, you have your priorities screwed up. Deal with the genocide FIRST!

well....since you brought up the Armenian massacre:

Young Turks and the Armenian Genocide

Home > Educational Resources > Encyclopedia Entries on the Armenian Genocide

The Young Turks were the perpetrators of the Armenian Genocide. The Young Turk Movement emerged in reaction to the absolutist rule of Sultan Abdul-Hamid (Abdulhamit) II (1876-1909). With the 1878 suspension of the Ottoman Constitution, reform-minded Ottomans resorted to organizing overseas or underground. The backbone of the movement was formed by young military officers who were especially disturbed by the continuing decline of Ottoman power and attributed the crisis to the absence of an environment for change and progress. Working secretly in unconnected clusters under the watchful eye of the Hamidian secret police, the Young Turks succeeded in overturning the rule of the autocratic sultan when the Ottoman armies in European Turkey openly supported the movement. Abdul-Hamid's reinstatement of constitutional and parliamentary rule in July 1908 ushered in a brief period of legalized political activity by a panoply of reformist Turkish parties as well as Armenian political and revolutionary organizations. The Young Turks earned further public support when their intervention was required to suppress the April 1909 counter-revolution staged by the palace.



Dönmeh (Turkish: dönme) refers to a group of crypto-Jews in the Ottoman Empire and present-day Turkey who openly affiliated with Islam and secretly practiced a form of Judaism called Sabbateanism. The group originated during and soon after the era of Sabbatai Zevi, a 17th-century Jewish kabbalist who claimed to be the Messiah and eventually pretended to become a Muslim in order to escape punishment by the Sultan Mehmed IV. After Zevi's conversion, a number of Jews followed him into Islam and became the Dönmeh. Since the 20th century, many Dönmeh have intermarried with other groups and most have assimilated into Turkish society. Although a few still consider themselves Jews, the Dönmeh are not officially recognized as such by Jewish authorities.[1]

Dönmeh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click


WAKE UP.

why do you think these things are NOT DISCUSSED?

Talaat Pasha - Donmeh - Interior Minister of Turkey during WW I. Chief architect of the Armenian Holocaust.

 

[zone]

Israel has done everything asked ?

Since the United States vetoes the strongest UN statements against Israel, the vetoed resolutions are more relevant, than those actually passed. The threat of a US veto, stops many serious resolutions against Israel from even getting to a vote, and causes those resolutions that do get to a vote, to be significantly watering down (in the hope that the US might not veto them).

Source: List of UN Resolutions Israel has violated.

Iraq supposedly broke a WMD resolution and 500,000 children died from medical sanctions imposed on it.

``In absolute terms we estimate that perhaps about half a million children under 5 years of age have died, who ordinarily would not have died had the decline in mortality that was prevalent over the 70s and the 80s continued through the 90s,''
Anupama Rao Singh, country director for the U.N. Children's Fund (UNICEF),

it's complete hogwash and whitewash, Drett, as you know.

propaganda works! look how it gets repeated as fact!

you can haul out every single detail for a 10 year old to get this, and you'll ALWAYS have the mind-controlled Scofieldians to shout it all down...hand-wave it away...... no matter WHAT the facts are.

because they are afraid that Genesis 12 says if they don't bless the State of Israel God will curse them.
that's the level of Biblical illiteracy we're dealing with.

 

[zone]

Anyone that touches Israel will deal with God as a result.

katy - God will judge anyone who touches the cut-off branches who reject and blaspheme Christ?

really?

please document that.

where are the CHRISTIANS (jew and gentile) in your scenario? off on the bleachers?
do you know who is the Israel of God?

1) people who hate Christ
OR
2) people who love Christ

does God have Two peoples?
Two Plans?
Two Covenants?
any Unfinished business?

please document.

 

[Tintin]

God's people of Israel no longer exists. God removed them when he exiled them. Israel is now mostly populated by Europeans that converted to the Jewish faith.

What is this? I don't even...

 

[zone]

What is this? I don't even...

hi tin....i don't know drett, so i don't know ultimately what his position on that is.

i can't say there are no ethnic ancient israelites somewhere....though it's nearly impossible after 2000 years.

all lineage records DESTROYED in 70AD

the latest DNA tests (which are not reliable anyways) say Palestinians are most likely ancient israelites.

jewish arabs? YES! there are...and they are hated.
jewish chinese? YES! converts
jewish Ethiopians? YES!
"white" jews? YES!
jews in Iran? yes
jews in Yemen?yes
jews in Iraq? used to be....

SO WHO IS ANCIENT ISRAEL? huh? can anyone tell me?
does flesh profit anything?

Judaism is NOT a race of people - it is a religion!
and it has nothing to do with MOSES!

drett is presumbaly talking about Khazarians and others who CONVERTED to Talmudic Judaism 6 centuries after 70AD when Jerusalem was destroyed and the old Covenant ended.

yes, according to Judaism they are jews.

but they have nothing whatsoever to do with ancient Israel.

 

[zone]

[video=youtube;nivsKP2wU7o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nivsKP2wU7o[/video]

Obama In Israel: Beware The Leopard!

Published on Mar 21, 2013
Bible Prophecy: Obama will provoke Putin.

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William Tapley, Third Eagle of the Apocalypse and Co-Prophet of The End Times weighs in on Obama in Israel

 

[zone]

is this ancient Kingdom North of Israel?
is this really hard?


"The story of the Khazar Empire, as it slowly emerges from the past, begins to look like the most cruel hoax which history has ever perpetrated."
Arthur Koestler, The Thirteenth Tribe


"Gazari"[Khazars] lived in "in the lands of Gog and Magog."
Druthmar of Aquitaine, 9th century monk
Expositio Matthaeum Evangelistam


"terrifying people of Gog and Magog"
Heinrich von Neustadt c. 1300AD


"how far we can go in regarding this [Khazar] Jewry as the nucleus of the large Jewish settlement in Eastern Europe. The descendants of this settlement.......those who stayed where they were, those who emigrated to the United States and to other countries, and those who went to Israel -- constitute now the large majority of world Jewry"
Abraham N. Poliak , Tel Aviv University
Professor of Mediaeval Jewish History


ad infinitum.
the 'king of the North' married a 'Queen from the South' btw.

 

[JesusChica1991]

I don't watch William Tapley. Some things he has said has been not so in line with the Bible. He views Israel in the Bible the same Israel that is today. (and it's not) Israel today is the church and the people who are devout religious Jews in Christ. It has nothing to do with the political state as most people would believe. The biological bloodline has been dried out because of marrying outside of the Jewish religion due to being scattered in A.D. 70. There is no more pure Jewish bloodline anymore. The majority of people living in Israel today are actually of European descent.

 

[Katy-follower]

katy - God will judge anyone who touches the cut-off branches who reject and blaspheme Christ?

really?

please document that.

where are the CHRISTIANS (jew and gentile) in your scenario? off on the bleachers?
do you know who is the Israel of God?

1) people who hate Christ
OR
2) people who love Christ

does God have Two peoples?
Two Plans?
Two Covenants?
any Unfinished business?

please document.

Don't make such wrong assumptions over a short sentence. I didn't write a 1000 word essay on my views, so why do you assume the worst and take out of context what I was actually saying? Rather than go with your imagination on what you think I was saying, why not calm down and just ask me to elaborate instead?

This thread is about the coming Palestinian State. In my original post I was talking about the land of Israel itself. Someone dividing the land, which is in rebellion to God. The Joel scripture I shared was talking of the scattering of people (which has happened) but also the dividing of land.

I am not going into details on end times events, judgments, Jews or Gentiles, because this is not the thread for it. This thread is about the division of the land and how there will "likely" be a Palestinian State (unfortunately)

I understand that you believe all biblical scripture has been fulfilled, so you believe all is in the past now? In which case this isn't the thread for you, because your views will be different as a result.

 

[psychomom]

Katy...do you know who owned the LAND before the US and Britain got involved post WW2?
(see the Balfour Declaration, and why it was made)

 

[Katy-follower]

Katy...do you know who owned the LAND before the US and Britain got involved post WW2?
(see the Balfour Declaration, and why it was made)

Thanks Ellie! Will look it up

 

[psychomom]

my stupid typo--it was WW1.

 

[Drett]

Don't make such wrong assumptions over a short sentence. I didn't write a 1000 word essay on my views, so why do you assume the worst and take out of context what I was actually saying? Rather than go with your imagination on what you think I was saying, why not calm down and just ask me to elaborate instead?

This thread is about the coming Palestinian State. In my original post I was talking about the land of Israel itself. Someone dividing the land, which is in rebellion to God. The Joel scripture I shared was talking of the scattering of people (which has happened) but also the dividing of land.

I am not going into details on end times events, judgments, Jews or Gentiles, because this is not the thread for it. This thread is about the division of the land and how there will "likely" be a Palestinian State (unfortunately)

I understand that you believe all biblical scripture has been fulfilled, so you believe all is in the past now? In which case this isn't the thread for you, because your views will be different as a result.

Actually the land was divided in 1948.