Professor Makes Students Step on Jesus' Name

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kenisyes

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I am a professor too. I respect the calling. If I had enough respect for what he is, I'd go and read his name. Then I could write it on a paper and stomp on it.
 
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psychomom

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*rethinking that whole 'send the 18 yo to college next fall' thing...*
 

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I am a professor too. I respect the calling. If I had enough respect for what he is, I'd go and read his name. Then I could write it on a paper and stomp on it.
Deandre Poole teaches courses in intercultural communication, ethnicity and communication, leadership and communication, and organizational communication. His research focuses on the role mediated messages play in shaping individual attitudes and beliefs concerning issues of justice and inequality, and examines how leaders, organizations, and other influential authorities dominate and oppress marginalized groups of people.

School of Communication & Multimedia Studies

brainwashing and propaganda research.
seeing how far people will go in allowing their"individual attitudes and beliefs" to be 'shaped'.
it's just Frankfurt School stuff.
 
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kenisyes

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You do not dock a student's grades for failing to give a desired response in an experiment. I can see the value to conducting this as an experiment, but refusing to step on the paper is a result, and the student should be given the grade for participating in the experiment to the point of expressing his choice.
 

zone

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You do not dock a student's grades for failing to give a desired response in an experiment. I can see the value to conducting this as an experiment, but refusing to step on the paper is a result, and the student should be given the grade for participating in the experiment to the point of expressing his choice.
but it wasn't about the student who refused and was suspended.
the experiment was about the others who did do it, and did nothing to support the one who didn't.
it's always about that.
 
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kenisyes

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That may have been what the article was about. Once the student was suspended, the experiment was about the refusal.

Let me clarify. It is appropriate to give grades for the participation in the experiment. If, as part of his research (and that is what it was), he wishes to tabulate how many people will step on a paper with Jesus' name written on it, that's acceptable. If a student refuses to participate in the experiment, he can be denied a grade. This is done in psychology classes all the time, like when an entire class is given a socialization test. In a psychology of religion test, for example, it is a fair question, "if you had to give an electric shock a Christian or a Moslem, who would it be".

If the student is denied a grade for refusing to step on a paper with the name of Jesus on it, that is against public policy, and should not be tolerated. This is the same as a student in a psychology class being denied a grade for actually refusing to give the electric shock. Such subjects are routinely paid for this type of participation, and grades are never questioned.

My wife once had a psych class with a new instructor who attempted to slap students to get their reaction. My wife had reported the man (being a teacher's wife helps) but got no action, due to tenure. The next time he came around to her, she simply threatened to put him through the wall if he tried it to her. That settled it.

The man's job will be protected by tenure, but students should stop enrolling in his classes.

I read the OP again to make sure I was clear on what happened. The textbook exercise made it clear that the purpose of the lesson was to illustrate that most students do not wish to step on the name of Jesus, and ask why. This is an excellent exercise. The teacher not only violated the student's constitutional rights, but violated the instructions in the textbook as well.
 
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Donkeyfish07

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This reminds me of how China was catching members of the Fallun Gong (It's a religious order that is suppressed over there). They put a picture of the founders face on the ground at the exit to a subway station.....if someone wouldn't step on the guy's face....they arrested the person no questions asked.
 
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psychomom

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My wife once had a psych class with a new instructor who attempted to slap students to get their reaction. My wife had reported the man (being a teacher's wife helps) but got no action, due to tenure. The next time he came around to her, she simply threatened to put him through the wall if he tried it to her. That settled it.
I think I must have liked your wife very well. :)
Our (27 yo) daughter is a psychology major, and every weekend this semester she comes home with some new assignment requiring our assistance. (happy to help, too)
Last week, she read each of us a different description she'd written of a fictional person--there was one for each of us.
She had us pick them from a hat so she couldn't skew the outcome unintentionally.
We were to listen to the 3 or 4 sentences, and then give 3 adjectives descriptive of the person
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Then, we had to use 3 adjectives describing ourselves.

Apparently her professor wanted (?) to show that when folks are shown 'positive' examples of others, they will describe themselves in the same way.
No one here did that, though. (honestly, my guy was organized, diligent, and brilliant! hehe)
But our daughter said that her 19-20 yo classmates came back with conclusions that verified what the prof had said would happen.

Would you attribute that to age? Or faith? Or nothing in particular, perhaps?

 
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jimmydiggs

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but it wasn't about the student who refused and was suspended.
the experiment was about the others who did do it, and did nothing to support the one who didn't.
it's always about that.
Watch quietly as thousand file in, but never come out.
 
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kenisyes

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Would you attribute that to age? Or faith? Or nothing in particular, perhaps?

I would attribute that to wisdom, of which you, your husband, and your children, all apparently have a lot. Your daughter attributed it to age, by stating that her 19-20 yr old classmates verified the professors conclusions. The numbers were an adjective too.
 
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psychomom

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I would attribute that to wisdom, of which you, your husband, and your children, all apparently have a lot. Your daughter attributed it to age, by stating that her 19-20 yr old classmates verified the professors conclusions. The numbers were an adjective too.
interesting!
I see your point, and will pass it along.

When we had finished the exercise, she dropped her hands (holding the papers), sighed a little, smiled at us and said, "I think the people in this family are too intelligent and too honest to make this come out 'right'."
And, of course, since it's psychology, there is no 'right'.

Thanks, Ken. Appreciate your insights, always.
 

crossnote

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I know Zone gets squirmy when we play the Muslim card, but...if the textbook instead had the instructions to write the word 'Mohammed' and stomp? Again ivory tower cowards.
 

zone

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I know Zone gets squirmy when we play the Muslim card, but...if the textbook instead had the instructions to write the word 'Mohammed' and stomp? Again ivory tower cowards.
brudda, i don't like islam.
i jes wan ever'bodies hands where i can see 'em in this game.
what's good for one unregenerate group same same for others.

but ya....if the page had muhammed on it the place woulda been burned down.
if it had the star of david on it, it woulda been on CNN for six weeks and the prof fired, charged, and making apologies to ADL, and talk of hate crimes on the rise for another 2 weeks.

not when it comes to JESUS tho!
He's fair game!

mind you, muslims would never have done that to the name of Jesus.
 
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crossnote

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brudda, i don't like islam.
i jes wan ever'bodies hands where i can see 'em in this game.
what's good for one unregenerate group same same for others.

but ya....if the page had muhammed on it the place woulda been burned down.
if it had the star of david on it, it woulda been on CNN for six weeks and the prof fired, charged, and making apologies to ADL, and talk of hate crimes on the rise for another 2 weeks.

not when it comes to JESUS tho!
He's fair game!

mind you, muslims would never have done that to the name of Jesus.
yeah, like i said 'Ivory Tower Cowards'.
 

crossnote

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Of course this would be done at a school that I will be going to in the future. At least one person had the guts to stand up for themselves.
Yes and he was a Mormon to boot.