The New York Jewish Times: Who tried to silence Pamela Geller?

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AmmiAmmiel

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The Jewish community in New York is protesting a recent attempt to silence Jewish activist Pamela Geller, who holds lectures in which she warns against the dangers of Islam and jihad which are spreading in Europe and the U.S.


Geller is co-founder of the American Freedom Defense Initiative and has been at the forefront of championing causes that have to do with democracy, freedom, liberty and justice through her role as a leading blogger at "Atlas Shrugs", a co-founder of "Stop the Islamization of America" and a prolific writer on the subject of the threat to the American value system that she feels is represented by insidious encroachment of Sharia law in the Western world.


Arutz Sheva has learned that several weeks ago, Geller was invited to speak at one of the synagogues in Great Neck, but local Jewish leftist activists exerted heavy pressure on the synagogue, in order to prevent her from speaking.


Members of the local Jewish community told Arutz Sheva on Sunday that the leftists threatened to take action against the synagogue if it allows Geller to speak there. The rabbi of the synagogue eventually surrendered and cancelled the lecture, they said.


Local Chabad members, however, heard the story and, deciding that freedom of expression is a supreme value, allowed Geller to lecture at one of the local Chabad synagogues. The Chabad members were also threatened but did not give up. The community members said that even when well-respected donors told Chabad they would block financial aid if they let Geller speak, Chabad was not deterred and said it intended, despite the threats, to allow Geller to be heard.


On Sunday, Geller was given the opportunity to give her lecture in the presence of many Jews.
 

Drett

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Looks like they have some internal strife in the Jewish community. That the thing about humans, since we are not perfect we get different views of the same thing.
 
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AmmiAmmiel

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This is an attempt to silence the truth. It's an attack on rightful deeds. A perfect description of how bad the time is getting,.. Soon they will start persecuting and pressing charges those who dare to speak out against Islamic oppression.
 

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This is an attempt to silence the truth. It's an attack on rightful deeds. A perfect description of how bad the time is getting,.. Soon they will start persecuting and pressing charges those who dare to speak out against Islamic oppression.
They can always just send them to Guantanamo Bay for an indefinite time.
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Please try to take this more seriously,.. If you try speaking out against Islam, you will be persecuted. Just as Christ said, we are being hated by all nations for the sake of His name. Satan is working overtime and doing it fast. Be prepared to things to get a lot more direct in the opposition to Truth,..
 
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That is just wrong, we do have freedom of speech and freedom of the press in this country whether one agrees with a speech, party, or the popular media or not. This is wrong. If there is strife in the Jewish community, then there is also strife in the ''Christian'' community. God help us all to stand firm on what the Bible says and not what the popular culture, media, etc has begun, has said, and is still saying. God bless.
 

Drett

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Please try to take this more seriously,.. If you try speaking out against Islam, you will be persecuted. Just as Christ said, we are being hated by all nations for the sake of His name. Satan is working overtime and doing it fast. Be prepared to things to get a lot more direct in the opposition to Truth,..
I have a look at what is happening in the world and I see Muslims being persecuted mostly by the US government. With your silence you condone this.

In Iraq women and children are being murdered in their bedrooms by US marines. The US marines are receiving no jail time.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/15/w...und-in-iraq-junkyard.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Wedding parties are being attacked in Afghanistan.

US bomb kills 30 at Afghan wedding | Mail Online

Houses are being destroyed and children being killed in Pakistan by US drones

drone-strike-by-obama-children-killed.jpg

all by the US government.

So who is oppressing who ?
Who is hated ?
 

zone

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They can always just send them to Guantanamo Bay for an indefinite time.
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forget it drett.
i'm almost convinced it's hopeless.

that anyone would listen to and support a DEMON like Pamela Geller.

it's not even the lying and deceit, injustice and false witness and lawlessness that's breaking my heart. and it is.
it's the blindness and dehumanization by the very people who say they represent the Lord Jesus Christ....that's crushing me.
i'm sorry for all of it drett.
there's one who knows what you are saying.


"Shortly, the public will be unable to reason or think for themselves. They'll only be able to parrot the information they've been given on the previous night's news."
Zbigniew Brzezinski, Between Two Ages
 
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Islam is Satan's religion of choice! It's such a deception. If you support the Muslim faith then get out of here. Your words are like poisoned water.
 

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Islam is Satan's religion of choice! It's such a deception. If you support the Muslim faith then get out of here. Your words are like poisoned water.
I see you have ignored all the people being killed by your government. Oh well.

Why would Satan take a group of idol worshippers and tell them there is only one God ? Why would Satan then teach them about heaven and hell and about the prophets of the old testament. Satan would just be happy to leave them worshipping idols.
 
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The American government is guilty of breaking the noahic covenant as well. I believe Obama is working with the Muslims to suppress the influence of The Lord God Almighty. Not "Allah" either, that is just another disguise of Satan's. Your comments are not in favor of the Truth. So you might as well go on deceiving and be deceived yourself. The Bible doesn't have very good things to say about people like you,..
 

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The American government is guilty of breaking the noahic covenant as well.
what do you mean:

"The American government is guilty of breaking the noahic covenant as well"?

God made His covenant with Noah. it was unconditional and gracious. and a renewal of the promise of redemption and rest.
God made a covenant with Noah - not Noah with God.
and the US Govt was not there anyway.


or do you mean the 'Noahide Covenant'?

In Judaism, the Seven Laws of Noah (Hebrew: שבע מצוות בני נח‎ Sheva mitzvot B'nei Noach) form the major part of the Noachide Laws, or Noahide Code.[1] This code is a set of moral imperatives that, according to the Talmud, were given by God[2] as a binding set of laws for the "children of Noah" – that is, all of humankind.[3][4]

Noahide laws - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click

I believe Obama is working with the Muslims to suppress the influence of The Lord God Almighty.
right. that's why Obama is hitting them (Muslims) with drone strikes and bombing everything sight in the Middle East (except one country). that's why Gitmo is open for business. Obama's working with them....k.

who do you say is The Lord God Almighty, btw?

Not "Allah" either, that is just another disguise of Satan's. Your comments are not in favor of the Truth.
Islam is a false religion.
i'll ask again...who do you say is The Lord God Almighty?

The Bible doesn't have very good things to say about people like you
hmm....i suppose you don't need Jesus' Atonement for your sins?
sounds like you're not sinner, but drett is.

what's the difference between you and he (provided you are actually saved by grace in Christ)?
are you the civilized man and drett is the savage?

whacko Pamela Geller says yes. it appears you agree.






i'll take my place with savages - whoever they are, if this Ghoul Geller is the example of a civilized human being.
 

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Is Pamela related to Uri? Sorry, too busy (and lazy) to check it up right now. Well, at least they seem to be.
 

zone

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Is Pamela related to Uri? Sorry, too busy (and lazy) to check it up right now. Well, at least they seem to be.
rationalwiki says no:rolleyes:

"Uri Geller, of no apparent relation but equally kooky."

Pamela Geller



Pamela with former IDF chief of staff Moshe Yaalon. This is the best photo Pamela had on hand to submit for her Wikipedia article.

Pamela Geller is the epically insane writer who blogs at Atlas Shrugs (named after Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged). She is well-known for her ridiculous vlogs, her hatred of anyone looking like a Muslim, her occasional ability to post screed so incoherent that it makes you wonder if she's got what might be politely termed a "problem",[1] and her tendency to show off her... "assets" by appearing in tight tops and bikinis, due to which she is sometimes mockingly referred to as "Atlas ****". While she is clearly unhinged, she has managed to land interviews with John Bolton and Daniel Pipes, been cited in the National Review Online,[2] published by the Washington Times and has appeared on CNN, so apparently someone is taking her seriously.[3]

Pamela Geller - RationalWiki < click

mind-numbing.

 

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You don't even have to study scripture to know this. History shows that the way between Islam and Israel is the longest running war known to man. It is the war that God said would take place until the end.
If you STILL don't believe it, read the Qu'Ran. Not only does it oppose what is written in scripture, but it prophecies of a redeemer, the 12th Imam or Mahdi, that will rule for 7 years on the earth before the day of judgment and "break the cross". When this happens, all that are followers of Allah are to rise up with the Mahdi and "kill the pigs". The teaching is that Jews and Christians are the "pigs" while Jesus is referred to as an "ape". All Jews and Christians are considered infidel and are to be killed. They are those that accept Israel, through Isaac, as the rightful heir of the promises of God instead of Ishmael.
Meanwhile, the new Egyptian president gives praises to Allah saying that they will take Jerusalem as the capital of Islam and no one seems to care. It is also prophesied that the Mahdi will appear when Jerusalem is taken. The Egyptian president (quoting the prophesies of the Qu'Ran) states "Israel is our first target, then America".
Wake up people. Study, watch, pray, and stop being in utter denial of the truth of what is happening.
I have been called a righteous kafir (unbeliever) by the Muslim people. Right here in the United States I was called that by a Muslim man. When I asked him why, he said "because you know our secrets".
Wake up!
 
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Drett

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The American government is guilty of breaking the noahic covenant as well. I believe Obama is working with the Muslims to suppress the influence of The Lord God Almighty. Not "Allah" either, that is just another disguise of Satan's. Your comments are not in favor of the Truth. So you might as well go on deceiving and be deceived yourself. The Bible doesn't have very good things to say about people like you,..
As long as you are happy, I hope it all goes well.
 

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You don't even have to study scripture to know this. History shows that the way between Islam and Israel is the longest running war known to man. It is the war that God said would take place until the end.
can you show where He said that?


If you STILL don't believe it, read the Qu'Ran. Not only does it oppose what is written in scripture, but it prophecies of a redeemer, the 12th Imam or Mahdi, that will rule for 7 years on the earth before the day of judgment and "break the cross". When this happens, all that are followers of Allah are to rise up with the Mahdi and "kill the pigs". The teaching is that Jews and Christians are the "pigs" while Jesus is referred to as an "ape". All Jews and Christians are considered infidel and are to be killed. They are those that accept Israel, through Isaac, as the rightful heir of the promises of God instead of Ishmael.
oh wow.
i don't even know where to start.

we have two groups of LOST SINNERS perishing in their sins: muslims and jews...okay?
hating on each other and fighting over STUFF.

two FALSE religions, both blasphemous - Judaism and Islam.

what does that have to do with True Israel?

Hosea 11:1
"When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son.

Matthew 2:15
The Flight to Egypt

13Now when they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, “Rise, take the child and his mother, and flee to Egypt, and remain there until I tell you, for Herod is about to search for the child, to destroy him.” 14And he rose and took the child and his mother by night and departed to Egypt 15and remained there until the death of Herod. This was to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet, “Out of Egypt I called my son.”

where does Jesus fit in this 7 year Antichrist scenario that doesn't exist in scripture.

is the State of Israel saved while Islamic States are not? HUH?:confused:

is that God's people over there practicing some other religion?

FOR REAL?

Galatians 3:16
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ.

Meanwhile, the new Egyptian president gives praises to Allah saying that they will take Jerusalem as the capital of Islam and no one seems to care. It is also prophesied that the Mahdi will appear when Jerusalem is taken. The Egyptian president (quoting the prophesies of the Qu'Ran) states "Israel is our first target, then America".
Wake up people. Study, watch, pray, and stop being in utter denial of the truth of what is happening.
I have been called a righteous kafir (unbeliever) by the Muslim people. Right here in the United States I was called that by a Muslim man. When I asked him why, he said "because you know our secrets".
Wake up!
okay...i care.
ONLY because people are blowing each other up for nothing.

please read this.

it's not talking about Ishmael.

do you know what Paul was saying?


Galatians 4
Sons and Heirs

1I mean that the heir, as long as he is a child, is no different from a slave,a though he is the owner of everything, 2but he is under guardians and managers until the date set by his father. 3In the same way we also, when we were children, were enslaved to the elementary principlesb of the world. 4But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. 6And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” 7So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God.

Paul’s Concern for the Galatians
8Formerly, when you did not know God, you were enslaved to those that by nature are not gods. 9But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more? 10You observe days and months and seasons and years! 11I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain.

12Brothers,c I entreat you, become as I am, for I also have become as you are. You did me no wrong. 13You know it was because of a bodily ailment that I preached the gospel to you at first, 14and though my condition was a trial to you, you did not scorn or despise me, but received me as an angel of God, as Christ Jesus. 15What then has become of the blessing you felt? For I testify to you that, if possible, you would have gouged out your eyes and given them to me. 16Have I then become your enemy by telling you the truth?d 17They make much of you, but for no good purpose. They want to shut you out, that you may make much of them. 18It is always good to be made much of for a good purpose, and not only when I am present with you, 19my little children, for whom I am again in the anguish of childbirth until Christ is formed in you! 20I wish I could be present with you now and change my tone, for I am perplexed about you.

Example of Hagar and Sarah
21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written,

“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”

28Now you,f brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.


who is Paul talking about way back c.54 AD?

if we don't figure this out...the REAL issue will continue to slip right under the radar.
how it happens is just beyond me.

i'm reaching my limit i think in willingness to even try anymore.
something's seriously wrong....why don't we understand this?
 
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Drett

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You don't even have to study scripture to know this. History shows that the way between Islam and Israel is the longest running war known to man. It is the war that God said would take place until the end.
I suggest you read up on your history :)

Check how the Jews were treated by the Muslims when Umar Ibn Al Khatab took over Jerusalem. Perhaps check out the treaty of Umar which is one of the most progressive treaties in history.

Also check whas t happened with the Jews after the 2nd crusade and also check where the Jews fled to after the Spanish inquisition. Avoid thrash web sites and local media for your information. I would also suggest you don't get any info from people frothing at the mouth. lol
 

Markum1972

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can you show where He said that?




oh wow.
i don't even know where to start.

we have two groups of LOST SINNERS perishing in their sins: muslims and jews...okay?
hating on each other and fighting over STUFF.

two FALSE religions, both blasphemous - Judaism and Islam.

what does that have to do with True Israel?

Hosea 11:1
"When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son.

Matthew 2:15
The Flight to Egypt

13Now when they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, “Rise, take the child and his mother, and flee to Egypt, and remain there until I tell you, for Herod is about to search for the child, to destroy him.” 14And he rose and took the child and his mother by night and departed to Egypt 15and remained there until the death of Herod. This was to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet, “Out of Egypt I called my son.”

where does Jesus fit in this 7 year Antichrist scenario that doesn't exist in scripture.

is the State of Israel saved while Islamic States are not? HUH?:confused:

is that God's people over there practicing some other religion?

FOR REAL?

Galatians 3:16
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ.



okay...i care.
ONLY because people are blowing each other up for nothing.

please read this.

it's not talking about Ishmael.

do you know what Paul was saying?


Galatians 4
Sons and Heirs

1I mean that the heir, as long as he is a child, is no different from a slave,a though he is the owner of everything, 2but he is under guardians and managers until the date set by his father. 3In the same way we also, when we were children, were enslaved to the elementary principlesb of the world. 4But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. 6And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” 7So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God.

Paul’s Concern for the Galatians
8Formerly, when you did not know God, you were enslaved to those that by nature are not gods. 9But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more? 10You observe days and months and seasons and years! 11I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain.

12Brothers,c I entreat you, become as I am, for I also have become as you are. You did me no wrong. 13You know it was because of a bodily ailment that I preached the gospel to you at first, 14and though my condition was a trial to you, you did not scorn or despise me, but received me as an angel of God, as Christ Jesus. 15What then has become of the blessing you felt? For I testify to you that, if possible, you would have gouged out your eyes and given them to me. 16Have I then become your enemy by telling you the truth?d 17They make much of you, but for no good purpose. They want to shut you out, that you may make much of them. 18It is always good to be made much of for a good purpose, and not only when I am present with you, 19my little children, for whom I am again in the anguish of childbirth until Christ is formed in you! 20I wish I could be present with you now and change my tone, for I am perplexed about you.

Example of Hagar and Sarah
21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written,

“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”

28Now you,f brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.


who is Paul talking about way back c.54 AD?

if we don't figure this out...the REAL issue will continue to slip right under the radar.
how it happens is just beyond me.

i'm reaching my limit i think in willingness to even try anymore.
something's seriously wrong....why don't we understand this?
Umm... I think you have misunderstood me.
Firstly, I don't hate Muslims, Jews, or anyone. I know Muslims that have received Jesus only because someone loved them enough to share the gospel with them.
I am quoting to you the claims of Islam and Muslims that I have spoken to. You can disagree with my claims all you want, but only by calling me a liar. Before you go to that extent though, I would recommend going to some Islamic websites and see for yourself what they are saying. You don't have to take my word for it.
As far as the scripture goes, I'll not undergo one of your foolish tests again. Study to show YOURself approved. It is not that difficult to find in both the old and new testaments. You deny that history is written in the scriptures? You don't have to be Jewish or Islamic to know the history of this war that has waged on for millennia. If you want to deny that God speaks about it in the scripture, that is your choice.
Just because Israel is no longer Jew nor Gentile, does not mean that this war does not exist.
I agree with ALL of the scriptures that you posted and understand WHO Israel is.
I recommend searching the scriptures for the significance of the black stone if you are not aware of WHO Allah is. Or is that not also revealed in the scriptures as well?
 
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Don't post if you're going to attack what you don't understand and defend what you also don't understand. This is a place for reprove, correction and learning. So, what can we learn (with eyes wide open) without preconceived ideas, and how do we learn it? Show some love people,.. Take the time and study Islam in light of the Truth. Compare it's teachings to those of the Bible, then you will understand the evil behind this "Allah". Until you commit yourself to studying these things, the claims you make hold no water. Markum is the only one of you with sensible knowledge. I urge you zone to take it upon yourself to not be ignorant of these things. Go find a book called God's War on Terror by Walid Shoebat and Joel Rosenberg, and leave your biased opinions behind. Then I'll recognize your right to make a truthful claim about Islam,..