Revolution, not terror, not Jihad, the motive for Boston Marathon bombing?

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1still_waters

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The bombing happened on Patriots day in Boston.<--Symbols of revolution. Place where American revolution began.
Their final attack and captures happened on the night of Paul Revere's midnight ride.
The final attack and captures occurred on part of the route of Paul Revere's midnight ride.
They let their car jacking victim out, and he announced to everyone the terrorists were on the loose in Boston.<---He was their Paul Revere.
The date and place are key symbols for motive.


This attack was a low casualty attack.
This attack happened in only one place.
These two aspects should be indicators that this isn't about terrorism for terrorism sake.
They didn't fit the signature of past acts of terror. This is for a purpose.


All of the symbolism, and all of the differences in style of the attack, should lead us to conclude this was their declaration of a coming attempt at revolution. It was the opening canon shot of sorts for their cause.


The evil doers are Russians. They're oppressed Chechen Russians who want a revolution so they can be freed from the grip of Russia. This may be a deeper call to overthrow all oppressive governments as part of a larger revolution.


They may have chosen such a highly visible, low casualty attack as a way to indicate this isn't about killing people and terrorizing them. That's why the date, place and symbolism of this is so important. This may be the opening shot of sorts for a longer term attempt at revolution against oppressive governments. This may not have been an attack on America, it was rather a way for their ''cause'' to become highly visible. A way of turning the world's collective head to look at ignored, but oppressed people under tyrannical leaders.


Boston Marathon bombing investigation turns to motive - chicagotribune.com
 
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I find it hard to believe they would do this just to make a point to be noticed. From reading the article, it seems kind of outside of their way of doing things. Most of their fighting and bombing has all been local, as within Russia. IMHO I think the US is involved in something with Russia that drew the attention of these two guys. It fits the US's MO to stick their nose in where it doesn't belong for the sake of profit. These guys made a statement for a reason. They wanted to get our attention, yes, but not to get US help. I think it was to tell the US to get out of their business.

It is also known fact that the New York Times, like many mainstream newspapers that are bought out by rich industrialists, keeps out more news than it prints and prints more lies than truth.
:rolleyes:
 
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1still_waters

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I find it hard to believe they would do this just to make a point to be noticed. From reading the article, it seems kind of outside of their way of doing things. Most of their fighting and bombing has all been local, as within Russia. IMHO I think the US is involved in something with Russia that drew the attention of these two guys. It fits the US's MO to stick their nose in where it doesn't belong for the sake of profit. These guys made a statement for a reason. They wanted to get our attention, yes, but not to get US help. I think it was to tell the US to get out of their business.

It is also known fact that the New York Times, like many mainstream newspapers that are bought out by rich industrialists, keeps out more news than it prints and prints more lies than truth.
:rolleyes:
Oh yeah, you like the conspiracy theories.
Here is a plausible conspiracy theory.

Russia trained these Chechens to attack us, as a way of distracting us from their allies Iran and Syria, and as a way to keep us in Afghanistan, considering there are radicalized Chechens fighting us in Afghanistan. By keeping us in Afghanistan it keeps us fighting some of Russia's enemies, and keeps us distracted from Syria and Iran. With our dander up against the Chechens, we'll care less about what their allies Iran/Syria are doing, and we'll also quit accusing Russia of human rights violations against Chechens, seeing that Russia's assertions about Chechens are validated, now that Chechens attacked us.

There is a plausible conspiracy theory.
 
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That could work. No doubt Russia is probably as well trained in brainwashing as the CIA is.:p
 
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There is another possibility, though. These two guys maybe are being framed,& labeled for something they didn't do. It wouldn't be the first time it's happened.
 
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PeteWaldo

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Background of one of the bombers:

http://www.jconline.com/article/20130419/NEWS11/304190020/Who-Dzhokhar-Tsarnaev-?nclick_check=1

"I'm a stress free kind of guy." That was his last tweet.
World view: Islam
Became a citizen of the United States on 9-11-2012
"Caucasus Emirate" referenced on the dead Islamic terrorist's website. A quick Wikipedia reveals what everybody already should already well know about the false prophet Muhammad's true followers:
Caucasus Emirate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Umarov said that he did not need any sanction from the Majlis-ul-Shura (the council of rebel field commanders) or anybody else to declare the Emirate, as it is "his duty as a Muslim" to establish an Islamic state "as required by Sharia.""
 
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1still_waters

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Background of one of the bombers:

http://www.jconline.com/article/20130419/NEWS11/304190020/Who-Dzhokhar-Tsarnaev-?nclick_check=1

"I'm a stress free kind of guy." That was his last tweet.
World view: Islam
Became a citizen of the United States on 9-11-2012
Blaming the terror on Islam is misguided to me.
Are they Muslims?
YES!

But that's not the motive.

They're revolutionaries who happen to be Muslim.

There were Christians who fought in the Iraq war.
But that was done under the American banner.
It had nothing to do with Christianity.
It's kinda the same thing with these Muslims.
 
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1still_waters

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Background of one of the bombers:

http://www.jconline.com/article/20130419/NEWS11/304190020/Who-Dzhokhar-Tsarnaev-?nclick_check=1

"I'm a stress free kind of guy." That was his last tweet.
World view: Islam
Became a citizen of the United States on 9-11-2012
These are RUSSIANS.
Oppressed ones at that.
Their political makeup is one of Stalinist revolutionaries.

Their highly visible, low casualty attack fits this revolutionary tactic.

The symbolism, the timing, it's more about delivering a message than a body count, or even a sense of terror. It's about getting attention for a bigger greater cause against "oppressive" regimes. It's about drawing attention to wrongs that have gone ignored too long.
 
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1still_waters

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In my opinion you're making the mistake of correlating their Islam with their Checheness.
The Chechens choose Islam because they're the only ones to help them in their struggle.

Chechens may be using Islamic type terror devices, but they're not doing it for that cause.
This is a distinctly revolutionary motivation against oppressive governments.
This is not about developing Islamic centered governments.

The mastermind behind this is very altruistic.(Meaning about freeing people from oppressive governments, and remedying injustice, not about spreading Islam.).
 
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Art-Of-Acceleration

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These men are navy seals or blackwater the skull mean despite what your momma told you violence does solve problems this Boston indecent could possible be a false flag and the 2 russians patsies? Its shouldnt be disregarded they should investigate this bombing more these photos are not circulating at all only what the media provides is.
 
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1still_waters

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These men are navy seals or blackwater the skull mean despite what your momma told you violence does solve problems this Boston indecent could possible be a false flag and the 2 russians patsies? Its shouldnt be disregarded they should investigate this bombing more these photos are not circulating at all only what the media provides is.
That skull is the picture for a comic book hero Punisher. Lol the character actually fights terror.

BTW how do you even know that pic is of the bombers?

There were lotsa surveillance pics taken that day.
 

Markum1972

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Blaming the terror on Islam is misguided to me.

What guidance are you following?

Are they Muslims?
YES!

But that's not the motive.

What is it then?

They're revolutionaries who happen to be Muslim.

There were Christians who fought in the Iraq war.
But that was done under the American banner.
It had nothing to do with Christianity.

Agreed.

It's kinda the same thing with these Muslims.

And what banner do you suggest they are doing theirs under?

Russia alone? What if it is bigger than that?

If Russians trained them to attack the U.S., then who trained them to attack the Russians?

Google "Chechens" and look at the first result.
Do you know who overtook the Chechens in the 19th century?
 
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PeteWaldo

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In my opinion you're making the mistake of correlating their Islam with their Checheness.
The Chechens choose Islam .........
Chechen Muslims, like all Muslims believe they are born Muslims, and that's why they are Muslims. Any Chechens non-Muslims that choose Islam are choosing Satan, just as Satan has chosen them. Being compelled to DISbelieve the crucifixion of Christ, DENY the Son of God and REJECT His shed blood, as articles of faith in the false prophet Muhammad alone. The mirror opposite of the Gospel. The only anti-a-specific-religion cult on earth. Commanded to fight and subjugate all non Muslims to Muhammad's followers.

Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

........ because they're the only ones to help them in their struggle.

Chechens may be using Islamic type terror devices, but they're not doing it for that cause.
All Muslims are under obligation to fight, conquer and subjugate non-Muslims to Islam, whether they are Chechen, U.S. or Israeli Muslims. "A promise binding" on them "in the Quran". That some Islamic hypocrites let others do the heavy lifting only makes them less Muslim. I even posted the words of the group, that our U.S. based Islamic terrorist that bombed the Marathon, mentioned in his website. Why do Christians continue to refuse to accept this simple and undeniable truth? It isn't about what Muslims say, but about what the Quran and Hadith commands Muhammad's TRUE followers to do.

JIHAD

Quran Sura 9.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah. then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

"Summarized Sahih Al-Bukhari" - Maktba Dar-us-Salam's page 580

Chapter 2. The best among the people is that believer who strives his utmost in Allah's Cause with both his life and property.

footnotes:

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"Al-Jihad (the holy fighting) in Allah's Cause (with full force of number and weaponry) is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its pillars (on which it stands). By Jihad Islam is established, Allah's Word is made superior, [His Word being La ilaha ill-Allah (which means: none has the right to be worshipped by Allah] and His Religion (Islam) is propagated. By abandoning Jihad (may Allah protect us from that) Islam is destroyed and the Muslims fall into an inferior position; there honour is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim, and he who tries to escape from this duty, or does not in his innermost heart wish to fulfill this duty, dies with one of the qualities of a hypocrite.

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Of course, nobody can offer Salat (prayer) and observe Saum (fast) incessantly, and since the Muslim fighter is rewarded as if he was doing such good impossible deeds, no possible deed equals Jihad in reward.


The young man did not want to die a hypocrite. The reason so many young Muslims are so willing to travel to foreign countries to engage in foreign wars, is because they believe that if they are killed while so doing, they get fast-tracked to the chicken and wine serving bordello of the false prophet Muhammad's overactive imagination:
ISLAM 101

Is there something about all of that which is too difficult to understand? Particularly in light of 1400 years of evidence, and conquest of nearly the whole known world, once already?
The U.S. isn't some sort of a freaky exception. What happened in Boston happens around the rest of the world every day. Please click on these links and review the lists and see if it isn't just more of the same.

TheReligionOfPeace.com

TRUE Muslims that GET Islam and follow the commands, and the deeds, of one of the most consummate - and conveniently self-admitted terrorists - in world history.

Sura 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them


This is a distinctly revolutionary motivation against oppressive governments.
This is not about developing Islamic centered governments.

The mastermind behind this is very altruistic.(Meaning about freeing people from oppressive governments, and remedying injustice, not about spreading Islam.).
Exactly, the Boston bombers efforts at "freeing" U.S. citizens from the oppression of our representative republic, just as Muslims desire to free Israeli Jews, Christians, non-Muslim Arabs and Muslims, from the freedom, liberty and right to self determination protected by the democracy of the Israeli Jewish State.
And free Nigerians of Christianity as well. With 2 million innocents killed or displaced in the Sudan alone.
nigeriacalabash.com
Then the whole world can be just one big happy Sharia law ruled, multiple wife and concubine beating, little girl circumcising (FGM), little girl doing, slave making and trading, Islamic "apostate" killing, Christian and Jew persecuting and murdering, church and synagogue burning, Islamic slave state.

[video=youtube;6fbXvq_ZIbw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fbXvq_ZIbw[/video]
 
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Theophane

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There is another possibility, though. These two guys maybe are being framed,& labeled for something they didn't do. It wouldn't be the first time it's happened.
There is sympathy for them because of their age and good looks.
 

zone

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Blaming the terror on Islam is misguided to me.
Are they Muslims?
YES!

But that's not the motive.

They're revolutionaries who happen to be Muslim.

There were Christians who fought in the Iraq war.
But that was done under the American banner.
It had nothing to do with Christianity.
It's kinda the same thing with these Muslims.
still...i agree this is about revolution.
and you make very good points about western double standards when it comes to who is a rebel/revolutionary/freedom fighter.
i agree this is not the work of people expressing their 'muslim extremism'.

where i disagree, and where history disagrees is that russia has been oppressing chechan 'rebels' for no good reason.

the jihadists have been trained; funded and supported by western intelligence.
russia has been forced into to this...it's balkanization/divide and conquer...the same thing all nations are enduring at this time.

this is not news nor unknown.
unfortunately, though we never seem to want to admit it, our western shadow govt is behind that.
and the boston thing.

i'm in a vehicle at the moment, and typing is difficult - forgive typos:); but will try to give you the summary you asked for on my thread.

meantime you could scroll through looking for Chechnya/CIA etc.
two birds with one stone.
 

zone

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There is sympathy for them because of their age and good looks.
innocent until proven guilty in a court of Law.

or are we done with all that?
 

zone

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"Caucasus Emirate" referenced on the dead Islamic terrorist's website. A quick Wikipedia reveals what everybody already should already well know about the false prophet Muhammad's true followers:
Caucasus Emirate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Umarov said that he did not need any sanction from the Majlis-ul-Shura (the council of rebel field commanders) or anybody else to declare the Emirate, as it is "his duty as a Muslim" to establish an Islamic state "as required by Sharia.""
how easy is it to plant stuff on a website?

ask Mark Zuckerburg

Mark Zuckerberg Awarded CIA Surveillance Medal

Facebook Contributed More to Monitoring Americans Than All Other Sources Combined, and Cheaper, too.

… by Jim W. Dean, VT Editor

Who’s behind those Foster Grants – The CIA, of course.

Well, now it is official. Mark Zuckerberg was not so smart after all, but just fronting for the CIA in one of the biggest Intelligence coups of all times.

But there remains one small problem, the CIA is not supposed to monitor Americans. I guess we will hear more on that soon from the lawyers once the litigation gets cranked up.

Personally I will be more interested in how this is going to effect the stock offering and shares as all Americans should own the entity that has been spying on them.

And then there are the SEC full disclosure regulations and penalties. It’s bonanza time for the lawyers.

Could the loophole the CIA used be that, ‘you aren’t being spied on if you are willingly posting everything a repressive regime would love to have on your Facebook account, with no threats, no family hostages, no dirty movies or photos that could be released?

But enough with the lead in. Let’s take you directly to our source where you can get it straight from the source’s mouth, including seeing Zuckerberg getting his award.

Mark Zuckerberg Awarded CIA Surveillance Medal | Veterans Today